Mamdani pushes for something I agree with!

[uptower]

I wasn't talking in hypotheticals. I'm was speaking about reality.
There is no possible way we are going to go back to the days of unlicensed, uninsured vendors.
Don't be taken in by his commie bullshit.

Letting people conduct business freely and without cumbersome regulations is....commie?

 

[iguanaman]

The problem is they are in a residential area so there is no way for them to be licensed. It was just a hobby for them and was not hurting anyone.

But if everyone did that there would be no money for their salaries.

 

[Cosmo]

I suspect the reason the licensing came about in the first place is because liberal policies like rent control, eviction restrictions, and sanctuary cities led to overpopulation and poor hygiene standards. While it's a breath of fresh air to see leftists finally doing something other than trying to fix government overreach-induced problems with more government overreach, this commie isn't going to undo the rest of the overreach, so he's just going to go around in circles from one band-aid policy to the next.

 

[aociswundumho]

this commie isn't going to undo the rest of the overreach, so he's just going to go around in circles from one band-aid policy to the next.

Ik right, it's like he doesn't understand his own ideology. This guy will be hugely entertaining if he wins.

 

[Gozaburo]

He actually wants to roll back a tiny piece of the vile, wealth-destroying, authoritarian, progressive regulatory state.

The video below is about permit scalping, which is one of many, many, many forms of regulatory rent-seeking. In the reform bill he mentions, Mamdani wants to decriminalize unlicensed street vending, which is awesome. The bill probably won't pass, but he's got the right idea at least. Here's the bill he supports. Adams vetoed it, but it's not dead yet.

This is very much one of those things which was confronted by our ancestors, resolved, and now we take the original reasoning for granted.

In short, licensing for street vending was done for purposes of sanitation, urban control, and aesthetics. If you've traveled to other countries where major city streets are essentially open markets, you'll immediately realize why we moved away from this in the civilized part of the world and it's why we have dedicated spaces for these kinds of things. Sanitation is impossible to control both in and around vendors, streets become even more busy and slow, swindlers and scammers are commonplace and so on.

 

[Loulit01]

I'm an adult, why can't I buy food from whoever I want? Why should I be limited to only those approved by the government?

So you don't die of food poisoning. But hey, I admire your spirit! Go out there and get your food anywhere you want. You do you, baby!

 

[Peter]

I'm an adult, why can't I buy food from whoever I want? Why should I be limited to only those approved by the government?

Not everyone is as slapdash as you about food safety standards.
It's great knowing street vendors have to meet some basic hygiene requirements or be shut down.

 

[reinaert]

Not everyone is as slapdash as you about food safety standards.
It's great knowing street vendors have to meet some basic hygiene requirements or be shut down.

Compliance is a real problem even for licensed vendors. I do compliance audits. Sometimes my account requires me to spot check coding. It's not excellent out there. I flagged a major supermarket for back of the shelf product six years out of date. This was after a major remodel and a gondola move, which means the product was shifted at least twice without anyone checking expiry.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I'm not because it has a lot more to do with health inspections.
It hurts vendors who are legally licensed and insured.

Its good for the poor who can get some cheaper food. That's more important.

Like others, the only concern I have is that the facilities have health inspections.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I agree. The fact that my food isn't adulterated with feces and broken glass is abhorrent.

Libertarians don't mean this shit. They get to be this way while enjoying the benefits of our society. They thrive under our protections.

 

[humbolt]

Strikes me as buying a used car where the engine is blown, but the heated seats are great.

 

[aociswundumho]

So you don't die of food poisoning.

Then you should be careful about who you buy food from.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Then you should be careful about who you buy food from.

Or a person could have some very basic social infrastructure and have time in their limited day to work on things that bring value, rather than simply fighting to stay alive due to a hostile food environment.

 

[aociswundumho]

Sanitation is impossible to control both in and around vendors, streets become even more busy and slow, swindlers and scammers are commonplace and so on.

Then don't buy food from them and you'll be safe.

 

[aociswundumho]

Or you could have some very basic social infrastructure and have time to work on things that bring value to the economy, rather than simply fighting to stay alive due to a hostile food environment.

It doesn't bring value to the economy, that's why even a democratic socialist wants to get rid of it.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It doesn't bring value to the economy, that's why even a democratic socialist wants to get rid of it.

You, as always, are using very limited metrics.

 

[maquiscat]

Not everyone is as slapdash as you about food safety standards.
It's great knowing street vendors have to meet some basic hygiene requirements or be shut down.

Now explain why food safety standards have to require licensing. I fully agree with the need to ensure that what is sold needs to be health inspected, randomly and periodically. But that can be done without the need to have every vendor get a license.

 

[aociswundumho]

Like others, the only concern I have is that the facilities have health inspections.

Yes, NYC health inspections work great.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Yes, NYC health inspections work great.

Nice pivot to a low quality anecdotal argument.

 

[aociswundumho]

Nice pivot to a low quality anecdotal argument.

Here's Anthony Bourdain stating that many NYC restaurants have rats:



Thank goodness for NYC health inspectors!

 

[Loulit01]

Then you should be careful about who you buy food from.

I am.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Here's Anthony Bourdain stating that many NYC restaurants have rats:



Thank goodness for NYC health inspectors!

That is also anecdotal. Do you have any data?

 

[Loulit01]

Now explain why food safety standards have to require licensing. I fully agree with the need to ensure that what is sold needs to be health inspected, randomly and periodically. But that can be done without the need to have every vendor get a license.

No it can't.

 

[OrphanSlug]

I think I've seen it all now... the OP agreeing with Mamdani of all people.

 

[aociswundumho]

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I am.

That book was fiction. Sinclair never witnessed anything that happened in that book, nor did he ever claim to:

Thread 'The Jungle, Regulatory Capture, and Self-Interest'

Dec 4, 2022

Probably the best argument against government regulation is the fact that the incentives facing individual government regulators are all backwards.

Consider two different government regulators who oversee large corporations. We'll call them Joe and Bob.

Joe doesn't make life easy for the corporations. He makes decisions based on what's best for society. He will receive zero recognition for this, and when he retires, he will have his government pension.

Bob does his job much differently. He chooses to "play ball" with the executives of the corporations he regulates, and in...

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