Male Opt Out

[year2late]

If a woman gets pregnant and she can not afford a child she should do the moral thing and have an abortion rather than do what is the worst thing possible for that child

Your view of morality may not be hers. Your POV seems to demand women only view morality as you do.

 

[vegas giants]

Your view of morality may not be hers. Your POV seems to demand women only view morality as you do.

And your POV seems to demand men only view morality as you do

 

[year2late]

And your POV seems to demand men only view morality as you do

Mine is not about morality.

Mine is a child if born be supported by both parents (first and foremost) then the taxpayer if absolutely needed.

 

[vegas giants]

Mine is not about morality.

Mine is a child if born be supported by both parents (first and foremost) then the taxpayer if absolutely needed.

You want a "should". The man "should" pay. That is a position based on your morality. And it is not in the best interests of the child

 

[year2late]

You want a "should". The man "should" pay. That is a position based on your morality. And it is not in the best interests of the child

I want both parents to pay before the taxpayer does. That is based on common sense.

 

[vegas giants]

I want both parents to pay before the taxpayer does. That is based on common sense.

I want both partners to want the kid. That is common sense and best for the kid

 

[year2late]

I want both partners to want the kid. That is common sense and best for the kid

Well....if not want. then support at least.

It should not be my problem as a taxpayer unless it needs to be.

 

[vegas giants]

Well....if not want. then support at least.

It should not be my problem as a taxpayer unless it needs to be.

What is best for kids is not to incentivize a woman who makes a lousy decision

 

[year2late]

What is best for kids is not to incentivize a woman who makes a lousy decision

Parents make lousy decisions each and every day.

 

[vegas giants]

Parents make lousy decisions each and every day.

Let's not incentivize them

 

[year2late]

Let's not incentivize them

If they know they will not be responsible for a child they create...seems like you are incentivizing them to do it again and again.

 

[vegas giants]

If they know they will not be responsible for a child they create...seems like you are incentivizing them to do it again and again.

Women are not helpless creatures. They can make the right choice if we stop incentivizing the wrong one

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Shame on you for encouraging what is worst for kids in this country

A father that doesn't support and parent his own kids is exactly what is the worst for kids in this country. If you don't want kids, wear a condom. Otherwise, support and parent the kids you father.

 

[vegas giants]

A father that doesn't support and parent his own kids is exactly what is the worst for kids in this country. If you don't want kids, wear a condom. Otherwise, support and parent the kids you father.

A woman who brings that child into the world knowing that did a horrible thing we should not incentivize

 

[soylentgreen]

Or Women could not make the horrible choice to bring a child into the world they can not afford and then just decide to bilk payments out if a guy monthly for 18 years depriving the child of a father. What a horrible thing to do to a kid

If you wish to waste time making up ridiculous scenarios of men who have been in failed relationships and yet still demand the right to control the woman and child, you can. It does nothing to change the fact that you erely argue your right as a male to do whatever you please without having to face the consequences.

 

[AGENT J]

As we have discussed before, the added burden to society would very likely be less than you think, because females would opt not to keep the child if they knew, for a fact, the male could not be imposed upon to support the child.

Yes, both men and women should have responsible sex, which means using birth control if they don't want a child. However, a night of passion should not automatically turn into an 18-year sentence for either the man or the woman.

We all agree that women must retain the right to abort -- but now, as we progress as a society -- we're starting to understand that we need to offer a similar (albeit physically different) option for men.

And, as I said before, I don't have a problem with my taxes being used to create equality where it does not currently exist.

I agree, of course we dont factually know but id be shocked if its anything significant at all.
The reality that I have seen in my life time is that many of those that dont want to pay simply dont anyway and it seems we are forgetting the majority of fathers that DO participate.

Like myself I WANTED to be involved and I CHOOSE to be involved. Then eventually it was the mother who was actually the problem and I fought for sole custody and won.
All of that was based on me and no amount of force was going to make me be a good dad.

Again in my life time in most cases it causes resentment, neglect, stress and or a bad parent to stick around HINDERING the child not helping.

 

[AGENT J]

Well its about morality. Anyone that is a parent themselves knows it would take a total piece of **** to go through their life knowing they had a kid out there and they were doing nothing for it.

and do you think a law will magically fix the type of person you are describing and make them be a good parent?:lamo
I can only speak for what I have seen but I have NEVER seen that in my lifetime, in fact its been the opposite.
The kid is now abused neglected or theres much added stress in the kids life.

 

[vegas giants]

If you wish to waste time making up ridiculous scenarios of men who have been in failed relationships and yet still demand the right to control the woman and child, you can. It does nothing to change the fact that you erely argue your right as a male to do whatever you please without having to face the consequences.

I argue not to incentivize women to make horrible decisions for children. I am pro child

 

[AGENT J]

Birth control has nothing to do with this topic either lol :shrug:
The topic is the inequality between women and men based on law/ legal options. The amount of mental gymnastics going on to try and leave the topic behind and deflect away from it is pretty funny but that is the topic.

abortion, taxes, BC, subjective opinions of "responsibility" . . . all failed arguments. None of that matters one bit and impacts the facts

FACTS

Current Law
Women Consent to sex =/= consent to being a parent, no force
Men Consent to sex = consent to being a parent and its forced
UNEQUAL

presented law change
Women Consent to sex =/= consent to being a parent, no force
Men Consent to sex =/= consent to being a parent, no force
EQUAL

Anybody got anything on this yet? anything?

 

[year2late]

Women are not helpless creatures. They can make the right choice if we stop incentivizing the wrong one

And you do not think "opting out" incentivizes men to be irresponsible with their reproductive choices?

Both the man and the woman need to support their child before social services starts supporting the child. Most taxpayers likely want this.

 

[vegas giants]

And you do not think "opting out" incentivizes men to be irresponsible with their reproductive choices?

Both the man and the woman need to support their child before social services starts supporting the child. Most taxpayers likely want this.

Women have complete control over pregnancy. They are not helpless victims and this is sexist. They can make the right choice that is best for the kid

 

[soylentgreen]

I argue not to incentivize women to make horrible decisions for children. I am pro child

Bull****, you do not even understand that it takes money to raise a child. All you care about is the right of a man to do as he pleases without having to face consequences. All you understand is that a womans choice should be about prioritising what a man wants.

 

[vegas giants]

Bull****, you do not even understand that it takes money to raise a child. All you care about is the right of a man to do as he pleases without having to face consequences. All you understand is that a womans choice should be about prioritising what a man wants.

Prioritizing what is best for the kid. Have a kid with a partner that wants one. Stop being so selfish

 

[soylentgreen]

Birth control has nothing to do with this topic either lol :shrug:
The topic is the inequality between women and men based on law/ legal options. The amount of mental gymnastics going on to try and leave the topic behind and deflect away from it is pretty funny but that is the topic.

abortion, taxes, BC, subjective opinions of "responsibility" . . . all failed arguments. None of that matters one bit and impacts the facts

FACTS

Current Law
Women Consent to sex =/= consent to being a parent, no force
Men Consent to sex = consent to being a parent and its forced
UNEQUAL

presented law change
Women Consent to sex =/= consent to being a parent, no force
Men Consent to sex =/= consent to being a parent, no force
EQUAL

This is a failed argument and has been from the start. Why bring it up again?

A very basic starting point is that it is a woman's choice. Either you agree or you do not. Obviously, you do not. You instead wish that it was a man's choice to act irresponsibly and then have the right to walk away.

You are misrepresenting the right here. She does not have a legal right to an abortion. In fact women have to jump through hoops to get one. What she does have a right to is the right to decide.

Abortion is not a right, it is a decision. And only the pregnant woman has a right to make that decision.

 

[vegas giants]

This is a failed argument and has been from the start. Why bring it up again?

A very basic starting point is that it is a woman's choice. Either you agree or you do not. Obviously, you do not. You instead wish that it was a man's choice to act irresponsibly and then have the right to walk away.

You are misrepresenting the right here. She does not have a legal right to an abortion. In fact women have to jump through hoops to get one. What she does have a right to is the right to decide.

Abortion is not a right, it is a decision. And only the pregnant woman has a right to make that decision.

And only a woman does. She may choose whatever she likes. And she gets to live with her choice