Male Opt Out

[year2late]

We all have choices. All choices come with consequences. She can choose to opt out of parenthood post conception. So should he.

She is making her own health care decisions,

He can make his own health care decisions as well.

 

[vegas giants]

She is making her own health care decisions,

He can make his own health care decisions as well.

And her own financial decisions to opt out. He should be able to opt out too.

 

[OlNate]

1.) nope that claim was already proven factually false. IN fact that would make it even MORE unequal legality wise because of the FORCE applied to the father and not the mother and in reality besides law it would be even worse because you cant force such a thing. The way to make it equal has already been provided by me and others. ANd thats a legal opt out.
2.) of course im not for irrational inequality like that. Im for equality.

Now mind you, in fantasy world if there was a magic spell that could be cast on mothers and father to be good parents after they choose to be parents id support that current science fiction in a heart beat. It would be awesome actually

hehe...sorry, I haven't seen anything proven, other than you advocate for dead beat dads, and that these laws are completely necessary to ensure the welfare of children. Good for you, you're a true hero. All this time, despite claiming victory, you've been making my case for me, with your faux victim complex and support of selfishness. If anyone was on the fence before, all they'd have to do is read some of the stuff in this thread to understand why we need to protect children. So, since you're in such a thanking mood, let me return the sentiment and thank you.

And since getting people like you to be decent is, as you put it, something requiring a magic spell being cast in a fantasy world (don't worry, I wasn't being serious with that suggestion), I guess we'll keep things the way they are - with the majority of the burden of parenting resting on the mother, and men getting off lightly with only having to pay for their lack of responsibility and foresight out of their wallets. Rather than bitching and moaning about having to pay for your end of the deal, you should be glad we no longer live in the days of shotgun weddings. You don't know how good you've got it....it's never been easier to be an asshole.

Frankly speaking, the whole "opt out" suggestion, and those that support it, make me sick. Please, for the sake of the women you come in contact with, and the children who may have the misfortune of being created in the process, have a vasectomy. If you need to think of it as beating a system hopelessly stacked against you, go for it. Clearly you are not mature or responsible enough for the power you have been given.

I don't think we have much left to discuss, but if it will make you feel better, and squeeze out a little more of the attention you clearly crave, give me another absurd numbered response, claim victory a few times for absolutely no reason, and show everyone here, one more time, the type of person these laws protect children against.

 

[vegas giants]

hehe...sorry, I haven't seen anything proven, other than you advocate for dead beat dads, and that these laws are completely necessary to ensure the welfare of children. Good for you, you're a true hero. All this time, despite claiming victory, you've been making my case for me, with your faux victim complex and support of selfishness. If anyone was on the fence before, all they'd have to do is read some of the stuff in this thread to understand why we need to protect children. So, since you're in such a thanking mood, let me return the sentiment and thank you.

And since getting people like you to be decent is, as you put it, something requiring a magic spell being cast in a fantasy world (don't worry, I wasn't being serious with that suggestion), I guess we'll keep things the way they are - with the majority of the burden of parenting resting on the mother, and men getting off lightly with only having to pay for their lack of responsibility and foresight out of their wallets. Rather than bitching and moaning about having to pay for your end of the deal, you should be glad we no longer live in the days of shotgun weddings. You don't know how good you've got it....it's never been easier to be an asshole.

Frankly speaking, the whole "opt out" suggestion, and those that support it, make me sick. Please, for the sake of the women you come in contact with, and the children who may have the misfortune of being created in the process, have a vasectomy. If you need to think of it as beating a system hopelessly stacked against you, go for it. Clearly you are not mature or responsible enough for the power you have been given.

I don't think we have much left to discuss, but if it will make you feel better, and squeeze out a little more of the attention you clearly crave, give me another absurd numbered response, claim victory a few times for absolutely no reason, and show everyone here, one more time, the type of person these laws protect children against.

I doubt you are half the parent I am. Your insults are dismisssed and define your concession.

 

[OlNate]

I doubt you are half the parent I am. Your insults are dismisssed and define your concession.

You're not half the parent you think you are, if you advocate for dead beat dads and abandoning responsibilities. What an example to set...good for you.

 

[vegas giants]

You're not half the parent you think you are, if you advocate for dead beat dads and abandoning responsibilities. What an example to set...good for you.

Thankfully the only judge that matters for that is my kids. Certainly not a person like you that has decided the best way to salvage your losing this debate is to engage in personal attacks. You are dismissed.

 

[Lursa]

And if you want to stick with your swedish friends so should incest and necrophilia. And it would make as much sense.

This is not about equality. It is about women not having to put men as their first priority and about men facing up to their responsibilities.

:lamo That was a pretty good turn of events, on the Swedish thing.

 

[OlNate]

Thankfully the only judge that matters for that is my kids. Certainly not a person like you that has decided the best way to salvage your losing this debate is to engage in personal attacks. You are dismissed.

lol...you dismiss me? Ok, buddy.

Here's hoping your kids get a positive male role model in their life, and not one that teaches them the kind of BS I've seen you spouting here. And next time you want to cry about personal attacks, don't jump into a conversation that wasn't directed at you, with, you guessed it, a personal attack...

You're dismissed.

 

[Lursa]

Women do not. For them getting pregnant means they must make a choice. On that they have no choice.
As to you once again returning to your elitist opinion that only the wealthy should breed that is also a ridiculous proposition.
The male is not being asked to be a parent your continuing with that lie only demonstrates that you are misrepresenting for your own bias.

Agreed. For them, it's about not being able to control the woman's choice. Apparently, woman's choice only matters to some men if it's in their own best interests.

They see it as control over men.

 

[vegas giants]

lol...you dismiss me? Ok, buddy.

Here's hoping your kids get a positive male role model in their life, and not one that teaches them the kind of BS I've seen you spouting here. And next time you want to cry about personal attacks, don't jump into a conversation that wasn't directed at you, with, you guessed it, a personal attack...

You're dismissed.

Yes I dismiss your personal attacks as the sign of a failed argument. You lost so now you go after me personally. Dismissed

 

[OlNate]

Yes I dismiss your personal attacks as the sign of a failed argument. You lost so now you go after me personally. Dismissed

Whatever you need to tell yourself, bud. Truth is, based on how you're represented here, I honestly couldn't care less what you think, which is why I stopped talking to you pages ago in this thread. Next time, when you want to try to suggest you're a better parent than someone else, while at the same time exemplifying with your posts the definition of what a ****ty parent is, maybe dismiss yourself in advance, before things get out of hand.

 

[Lursa]

Whatever you need to tell yourself, bud. Truth is, based on how you're represented here, I honestly couldn't care less what you think, which is why I stopped talking to you pages ago in this thread. Next time, when you want to try to suggest you're a better parent than someone else, while at the same time exemplifying with your posts the definition of what a ****ty parent is, maybe dismiss yourself in advance, before things get out of hand.

THey do have a completely failed argument, on pretty much every level. Financial, equality, fairness (none of which end up fair or equal for the kids or taxpayers), biological, or even in practice, which I pointed out in post 1172...women will just hide their pregnancies until it's too late if there were some male opt-out.

 

[vegas giants]

THey do have a completely failed argument, on pretty much every level. Financial, equality, fairness (none of which end up fair or equal for the kids or taxpayers), biological, or even in practice, which I pointed out in post 1172...women will just hide their pregnancies until it's too late if there were some male opt-out.

Then there is no reason for you to oppose this law. Welcome aboard

 

[year2late]

And her own financial decisions to opt out. He should be able to opt out too.

He can make his own health care decisions, just like men.

Lather, rinse repeat.

Do you want to go back to talking about your Swedish youth group that supports opt out, necrophilia, and incest?

 

[Lursa]

Then there is no reason for you to oppose this law. Welcome aboard

It's a disservice to society to promote useless, feel-good legislation based on failed and unethical principles.

Why do you want that? :mrgreen:

 

[vegas giants]

Whatever you need to tell yourself, bud. Truth is, based on how you're represented here, I honestly couldn't care less what you think, which is why I stopped talking to you pages ago in this thread. Next time, when you want to try to suggest you're a better parent than someone else, while at the same time exemplifying with your posts the definition of what a ****ty parent is, maybe dismiss yourself in advance, before things get out of hand.

And next time you get crushed so bad in an argument that you are completely embarrassed by your failure don't try to just lash out at the person. It just makes you look like an even bigger failure. LOL

 

[vegas giants]

It's a disservice to society to promote useless, feel-good legislation based on failed and unethical principles.

Why do you want that? :mrgreen:

Because this will be a useful, feel GREAT legislation based on the highest moral and ethical principles. LOL

 

[Lursa]

And next time you get crushed so bad in an argument that you are completely embarrassed by your failure don't try to just lash out at the person. It just makes you look like an even bigger failure. LOL

You have a very short memory

THey do have a completely failed argument, on pretty much every level. Financial, equality, fairness (none of which end up fair or equal for the kids or taxpayers), biological, or even in practice, which I pointed out in post 1172...women will just hide their pregnancies until it's too late if there were some male opt-out.

 

[vegas giants]

You have a very short memory

I have a perfect memory. Got any more insults? LOL

 

[OlNate]

THey do have a completely failed argument, on pretty much every level. Financial, equality, fairness (none of which end up fair or equal for the kids or taxpayers), biological, or even in practice, which I pointed out in post 1172...women will just hide their pregnancies until it's too late if there were some male opt-out.

Of course they do, because no matter how they attempt to intellectualize the message, it really is just an attempt to make it ok for men to duck their responsibilities. That's all it is, that's all it's ever been. A bunch of Peter Pans, living in a Never Never Land of zero consequences and never growing up.

 

[OlNate]

And next time you get crushed so bad in an argument that you are completely embarrassed by your failure don't try to just lash out at the person. It just makes you look like an even bigger failure. LOL

Says the guy that only gets agreement in echo chambers. You crush yourself, and now you're doing it for my entertainment. Again, good for you.

 

[vegas giants]

Says the guy that only gets agreement in echo chambers. You crush yourself, and now you're doing it for my entertainment. Again, good for you.

Echo chambers? I have found several like minded people just on this thread. Now you are just making things up? This is just sad. You are really sinking.....fast. LOL

 

[OlNate]

Echo chambers? I have found several like minded people just on this thread. Now you are just making things up? This is just sad. You are really sinking.....fast. LOL

Hey, good for you, "several". Meantime the law, the folks that wrote it, and the folks that support it would be my "like minded" group sample. I'm sinking? You're sunk.

 

[vegas giants]

Hey, good for you, "several". Meantime the law, the folks that wrote it, and the folks that support it would be my "like minded" group sample. I'm sinking? You're sunk.

Yeah I bet you and George Wallace would have been good friends since you had the law on your side.

 

[OlNate]

Yeah I bet you and George Wallace would have been good friends since you had the law on your side.

lol...ah yes, here is where you compare the plight of black people in the segregation era to men too stupid to pull out or wear a jimmy cap.

You stink of desperation. Give up.