Make the case on why new machine guns should be [W:456, 841, 899]

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

I am talking about what government does.

You seem to be talking about the First Amendment with religious freedom. That is incorrect. We are talking about the Second Amendment not the First.

the bill of rights are all about negative restrictions on the federal government-NOT limited grants of what citizens CAN DO

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

the bill of rights are all about negative restrictions on the federal government-NOT limited grants of what citizens CAN DO

And I have explained in detail what that restriction is in the Second Amendment. As long as a citizen can keep and bear arms - the right is intact and has not been infringed.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

And I have explained in detail what that restriction is in the Second Amendment. As long as a citizen can keep and bear arms - the right is intact and has not been infringed.

yes you have, and I reject your argument as being contrary to what the 2A intends, what it means and what the law is. to claim that the 2A changes for each citizen based on what they currently own or do not own is incorrect

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

And I have explained in detail what that restriction is in the Second Amendment. As long as a citizen can keep and bear arms - the right is intact and has not been infringed.

so if the government allows people to attend Methodist services but bans Lutheran services-I guess that means one's first amendment rights are still intact

You seem to be talking about the First Amendment with religious freedom. That is incorrect. We are talking about the Second Amendment not the First.

:lamo BUSTED!

You can not apply one logic to the 1st and a different logic to the 2nd.

4+3 = 7

but

3+4 = 8

BWAAAAAA HAA HAAA HAAA HAAAAAAAA!

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

yes you have, and I reject your argument as being contrary to what the 2A intends, what it means and what the law is. to claim that the 2A changes for each citizen based on what they currently own or do not own is incorrect

Yes - you have rejected my argument as it is contrary to your own belief.

And I honestly have not the foggiest idea of what that last sentence means as I have NEVER said anything about the Amendment changes for each citizen.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

:lamo BUSTED!

You can not apply one logic to the 1st and a different logic to the 2nd.

4+3 = 7

but

3+4 = 8

BWAAAAAA HAA HAAA HAAA HAAAAAAAA!

As long as the language from the First and Second is different, then each must be looked at as different. If the language was the same - you would have a point.

I have no idea what all the bwaaa stuff is. Can you explain it and tell me what it has to do with the Amendments?

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

As long as the language from the First and Second is different, then each must be looked at as different. If the language was the same - you would have a point.

One is French and the other is German now?

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

One is French and the other is German now?

What?????

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/language

4
: specific words especially in a law or regulation

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

What?????

You said the language from the first is different then the second.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

You said the language from the first is different then the second.

try reading the entire post :doh:roll:

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

It's a world of false equivocation. A single is seen as exactly the same as a home run. A reasonable profit is viewed as the epitome of greed. A pop tart eaten to look like a gun is the same as a murdering. Weird. And pointing out that absurdity is viewed as a vicious personal attack.

They are mentally ill, defective, or a low IQed. It is not important that they learn, only that they lose.

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

try reading the entire post :doh:roll:

Ok:

As long as the language from the First and Second is different, then each must be looked at as different. If the language was the same - you would have a point.

Say here that the "language from the first and second is different".

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Ok:



Say here that the "language from the first and second is different".

constitutional scholars often use opinions involving one of the amendments to advocate interpretive applications of other amendments since the Bill of Rights are all restrictions on what the FEDERAL Government may do

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

constitutional scholars often use opinions involving one of the amendments to advocate interpretive applications of other amendments since the Bill of Rights are all restrictions on what the FEDERAL Government may do

The baffle them with bull **** approach to change.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

The baffle them with bull **** approach to change.

Constitutional scholarship is rather hard on the anti gun extremists who claim "machine guns" can be banned because the 2A doesn't mention them. A claim that the Muslim faith can be banned because it wasn't mentioned in the 1st Amendment would be laughed out of court by most people and the anti gun claim should rightfully be treated the same way

 

[Zyphlin]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Moderator's Warning:

Folks...just a heads up. Four of five poster's glad handing each other with continually growing insults, all based on the statement of an individual poster, isn't a legitimate way to try and hide those insults. Just because you don't quote the person who you all are having a conversation about doesn't make the conversation and the flames any less clear. I'd suggest you refrain from such attempts to covertly flame/bait

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

So in other words the left can not make a point..

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

NFA cases: Hollis v. Holder; Watson v. Holder - PA DOJ Proposed reply p.65 - Page 63 - AR15.COM

We are winning.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

We are winning!

The Heller Foundation - Fighting for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in America

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

We are winning!

The Heller Foundation - Fighting for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in America

Lovely goal but the way there is not to only fight in courts. Constitutional issues are public issues and ultimately the public decides. Gun control knows that which is why like prohibition they spend their money on PUBLIC EDUCATION = PROPAGANDA.

One of the most intensive propaganda campaigns ever in America was that of the Anti-Saloon League, founded in 1875.

"Word went out from Washington and state headquarters to send letters, telegrams, and petitions to Congressmen and Senators in Washington. They rolled in by tens of thousands, burying Congress like an avalanche... We started off, early in 1914, with about 20,000 speakers, mostly volunteers all over the United States. They spoke at every opportunity to every sort of gathering... As the climax approached we doubled our forces. Even that wasn't enough, so for a time the world's largest prohibition printing establishment ran three shifts a day, every hour of the twenty four, grinding out dry literature." As the result of these efforts the drys gained seats in the 1914 elections." 1

A printing press was obtained in 1909 and the League up until the early part of 1923 produced,[JAC]
157 million copies of temperance papers,
2 million books,
5 million pamphlets,
114 million leaflets,
2 million window placards and
18 million small cards.

At the height of the campaign, from the printing headquarters, a river of 40 tons of anti-alcohol material poured every month.

First of all note the time span, 34 years to getting a printing press and 14 years of publishing.

Gun control does considerably better by using electronic media and a compliant publishing and broadcast media looking for attention grabbing sensationalism.

For some false reason firearm organisations think they can win in the courts. It's the clean hands approach, they send the lawyer in to do what we should be doing because they do not understand this is our fight and OUR RIGHTS.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

If you want to change the law - YOU have to make a case for it. Something which you have been impotent to do.

How many times must you be told that the law is not supreme?

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

So why don't you tell us how if a person can exercise and enjoy his Second Amendment rights, they can claim to have had them violated at the same time?

If one is exercising and enjoying a right - it has by that very fact NOT been denied to them.

Because the right is expressed as a total restriction on government not to interfere with citizens arms. Do you have a problem with that and it is not clear enough with the words "shall not be infringed". Is government now allowed to infringe this right? A yes or no answer will do.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Lovely goal but the way there is not to only fight in courts. Constitutional issues are public issues and ultimately the public decides. Gun control knows that which is why like prohibition they spend their money on PUBLIC EDUCATION = PROPAGANDA.

One of the most intensive propaganda campaigns ever in America was that of the Anti-Saloon League, founded in 1875.

"Word went out from Washington and state headquarters to send letters, telegrams, and petitions to Congressmen and Senators in Washington. They rolled in by tens of thousands, burying Congress like an avalanche... We started off, early in 1914, with about 20,000 speakers, mostly volunteers all over the United States. They spoke at every opportunity to every sort of gathering... As the climax approached we doubled our forces. Even that wasn't enough, so for a time the world's largest prohibition printing establishment ran three shifts a day, every hour of the twenty four, grinding out dry literature." As the result of these efforts the drys gained seats in the 1914 elections." 1

A printing press was obtained in 1909 and the League up until the early part of 1923 produced,[JAC]
157 million copies of temperance papers,
2 million books,
5 million pamphlets,
114 million leaflets,
2 million window placards and
18 million small cards.

At the height of the campaign, from the printing headquarters, a river of 40 tons of anti-alcohol material poured every month.

First of all note the time span, 34 years to getting a printing press and 14 years of publishing.

Gun control does considerably better by using electronic media and a compliant publishing and broadcast media looking for attention grabbing sensationalism.

For some false reason firearm organisations think they can win in the courts. It's the clean hands approach, they send the lawyer in to do what we should be doing because they do not understand this is our fight and OUR RIGHTS.

Well when the hammer drops the bull**** stops.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Well when the hammer drops the bull**** stops.

Exactly what few realise is our present gains have been due almost entirely to grass roots effort in making this subject public and defending our rights in public. Nothing does us more good that to see ordinary citizens take up the reigns and object to this crap from gun control instead of trying to appease these radicals who cannot be appeased. It is better than a 40ton printing press which is why gun control always wants a public debate and encourages supporters to institute debate.

For too long gun control advocates have had it their way browbeating any opposition by ganging up on them. Just listen to Haymarket whinge about being attacked yet if the truth is not told what are these supporters expecting - sympathy for endangering peoples lives?

All I can say is well done guys now go kick your organisations in the rear so they organise and lead our opposition so we are ready next time. WTF do they think they are there for?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Exactly what few realise is our present gains have been due almost entirely to grass roots effort in making this subject public and defending our rights in public. Nothing does us more good that to see ordinary citizens take up the reigns and object to this crap from gun control instead of trying to appease these radicals who cannot be appeased. It is better than a 40ton printing press which is why gun control always wants a public debate and encourages supporters to institute debate.

For too long gun control advocates have had it their way browbeating any opposition by ganging up on them. Just listen to Haymarket whinge about being attacked yet if the truth is not told what are these supporters expecting - sympathy for endangering peoples lives?

All I can say is well done guys now go kick your organisations in the rear so they organise and lead our opposition so we are ready next time. WTF do they think they are there for?

We are winning, the Brush Fire of Liberty is burning hotter and hotter, consuming the forest of their lies.