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[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Yes. One would suppose that when citing no compelling reason to change the law, there would be studies, statistics, and legal opinion which would support that view.

its like saying slavery

or separate but equal should stay since it was the law

this is a board to discuss laws (among other things)

to evade and defend on the ground that its the law (which has nothing to do with the thread title) is really joke

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

I enjoyed watching Jerry plead for an answer that was already given yesterday.

what it shows us is that some are about annoying other posters rather than actually discussing an issue. you didn't give it yesterday-all you said is the law is the law

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Individual arms are not protected. The right to bear arms is. And that can be satisfied in a seemingly endless myriad of ways - a veritable plethora if you prefer when when certain items are taken off the menu. One cannot honestly claim they are being starved if lobster is ruled out as an option when the menu offers hundreds of other things besides lobster that can sustain and nourish.

again-using your definition means one can ban Lutheran or Methodist churches because one can attend Catholic or Baptist services

this argument of yours demonstrates a complete failure to understand what the 2A does. IT IS A PROHIBITION on GOVERNMENT action that does not change based on how many other alternatives are out there

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

No it doesn't: machine guns should be banned from public distribution. I defy you to show where the 2nd Amendment means all firearms. Or a court decision that says that machine guns are okay for the public.

this is hilarious

what part of arms excludes machine guns but not semi auto handguns

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

You brought up Ferguson as an example of the militia being called up today. I called you on it and you obviously are trying to distance yourself from it and are unable to provide the information asked for to prove your claim that you made about your point about them militia to attempt to support your argument. And you have failed to do so.

This thread is about machine guns, though. What is your argument for banning machine guns?




You are comparing apples with cinder blocks.




Nothing has to do done to keep the law in place. So there is no responsibility on me or anyone else to further than nothing. You and others here on the other hand, are advocating a change in the law. That puts the complete responsibility upon you and your allies to justify it. And so far in this thread I have seen no compelling reason to change the law and you have failed to give us one.

Who authorized the MinutMen has nothing to do with machineguns. That the MinuteMen militia did serve in Furgeson and is thus a modern example of milita activity warranting private machinegun ownership does have to do with machineguns. Your just trying to insert another tangent but I see through your bull****. So, what is your argument against machinegun ownership?

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

That is a nonsense answer. The Supreme Court refutes you and you must show a legal decision okaying machine guns.

LOL another complete failure

we don't have rights until the SUPREME COURT OKAYS them

OMG what a complete reversal of what the founders intended.

 

[Fledermaus]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Perhaps it is the "slow witted" - to use your phrase - who believe they have a fictional constitutional right to own a machine gun when they do not?

Where in the Constitution is ANY restriction on type or model of firearm?

What part of "keep and bear arms" do you not understand. It isnt "keep and bear arms except for automatic weapons"

 

[Crimefree]

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Reminds me of this: UK Newspaper Poll Shows Brits Want Their Guns Back

They do but are to scared to ask and are lead by the most cowardly and irresponsibly stupid organisations on this earth.

The majority of Brit firearm ownership supporters want "better legislation" whatever the heck that is. They honestly think government is going to listen if they ask nicely.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Where in the Constitution is ANY restriction on type or model of firearm?

What part of "keep and bear arms" do you not understand. It isnt "keep and bear arms except for automatic weapons"

You are asking the resident gramophone to play that record again. It has been trashed. Haymarket cannot recognise that. There is noting in the constitution that supports his false and irrational claim. He is going to save you by filling your head with rubbish that more than likely has been refuted at least three times here.

 

[Crimefree]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

LOL another complete failure

we don't have rights until the SUPREME COURT OKAYS them

OMG what a complete reversal of what the founders intended.

Boot lickers do that. Sycophants are amazingly inventive of ways to please the master

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

and I pointed out that it is a fiction which exists only on paper and not in real life.

And I pointed out that it is a fact which exists in the Minutemen's working with police in Ferguson. So what is you're argument for banning machine guns?

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

The fiction is that a militia exists beyond just words on paper and actually functions in real life in the USA of 2015.

The fact is militias exist as we've seen as recently as last year. Your willful ignorance is not an argument for banning machine guns, so I invite you to post your reasons for such a ban now.

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

The argument is a very clear and straight forward one: there is no compelling need to change the law.

What about that escapes you or others?

The law is unconstitutional. That all by itself is reason enough to repeal it. What is your argument for unconstitutionally banning machine guns?

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Your side has NOT supplied a reason why anyone should support a change in the law.

The ban is unconstitutional. It's just that simple. So what is your argument for maintaining an unconstitutional law?

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

I already gave you an excellent reason but you ignored it in favor of engaging in the group attack that has been carried on for a while now.

I provided you with a very specific answer over 36 hours ago right here in this very thread.

But it has been interesting watching you and others ask and ask and ask and ask again for something you were already given a day and a half ago. Its like watching a kid plead to go to Cedar Point when you took him there and he whined in the car parking lot the whole time that he wanted to go to Cedar Point and is still whining a day and a half later.

You haven't argued for banning machine guns at all.

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Yes. One would suppose that when citing no compelling reason to change the law, there would be studies, statistics, and legal opinion which would support that view.

Reason #1: The ban is unconstitutional.
Reason #2: The ban was over alcohol prohibition which was the government's fault in the first place, and was repealed anyway.
Reason #3: There have been only 2 crimes with legally possessed machine guns in the last 70 years, and one was was a cop using his service rifle. That does not constitute a "compelling interest" for the state to limit or ban machine gun ownership.

What is you're argument for banning machine guns?

 

[Jerry]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

I enjoyed watching Jerry plead for an answer that was already given yesterday.

You haven't given an answer at all. What is your argument for banning machine guns?

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

what it shows us is that some are about annoying other posters rather than actually discussing an issue. you didn't give it yesterday-all you said is the law is the law

yes - I agree that when someone like the example you gave keeps asking the same question despite being told how to find their answer and keeps it up - it is annoying. The answer he sought was there all along for him and everyone else.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

You haven't given an answer at all. What is your argument for banning machine guns?

When you first asked me this yesterday morning I told you to review the thread. I told you this several times. Your response was an outright complete refusal to do so. The answer you sought was there all along.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Where in the Constitution is ANY restriction on type or model of firearm?

What part of "keep and bear arms" do you not understand. It isnt "keep and bear arms except for automatic weapons"

The Constitution DOES NOT single out any arm or type or model of firearm for any protection. Thus, no specific restriction needs to be listed in that same document.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

And I pointed out that it is a fact which exists in the Minutemen's working with police in Ferguson. So what is you're argument for banning machine guns?

You have presented not one verifiable iota of proof that any militia was called otu by the authorities who are empowered to do so in the Act you listed in your post #562. The article you did link to in your post #571 had no such information in it.

 

[humbolt]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

Reason #1: The ban is unconstitutional.
Reason #2: The ban was over alcohol prohibition which was the government's fault in the first place, and was repealed anyway.
Reason #3: There have been only 2 crimes with legally possessed machine guns in the last 70 years, and one was was a cop using his service rifle. That does not constitute a "compelling interest" for the state to limit or ban machine gun ownership.

What is you're argument for banning machine guns?

I agree. I was addressing the lack of such reason from the banner's point of view. There is no valid argument that the law should remain unchanged unless it is underpinned with compelling interests for it to remain as it is. No such interests have been shown. I see no reason to prevent those who wish to legally own a new machine gun from owning one. (And I wish those who would own one the best of luck paying for the ammo required to become proficient).

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

yes - I agree that when someone like the example you gave keeps asking the same question despite being told how to find their answer and keeps it up - it is annoying. The answer he sought was there all along for him and everyone else.

its evasion Haymarket. You had no problem posting the same nonsense over and over to divert or delay or annoy other posters but when someone asks for a response to the THREAD TOPIC, you play this game of hide and seek. BTW YOU NEVER DID POST AN ARGUMENT why MGs should be ban. saying its the law or that the public wanted it (which is a lie-there was no demand for a ban) is BS

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

The Constitution DOES NOT single out any arm or type or model of firearm for any protection. Thus, no specific restriction needs to be listed in that same document.

complete crap. The 2A is a restriction on the government that is not malleable based on what other guns are available

 

[haymarket]

Re: Make the case on why new machine guns should be banned

complete crap. The 2A is a restriction on the government that is not malleable based on what other guns are available

yes - the gun lobby position is indeed that. Government is indeed restricted - and the restriction is against denying the right to keep and bear arms. It is NOT restricted against reasonable regulations that society wants and still has a society where the right can indeed be exercised with a tremendous variety of ways to do just that.