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The cops have no interest in fighting to defend monuments to an evil ideology, and I can't say I blame them.
We should be arresting these hooligans for vandalism, destruction of public property, give them thirty days in jail and demand restitution. Some of this destruction is being done by groups in broad daylight. Where are the cops?
See those brave men in that photo? They took on the Nazis. They're part of why we have freedom today. And the Neo-Nazis want to take that freedom away from most of us.
If you sympathize with the Neo-Nazis, then you are siding against freedom and justice. It is that simple.
Against the wishes of 2/3 of the country, who want them to remain? Why do you feel entitled to violate the wishes of most Americans?
We don't need vigilanties. That's what the antifa are. Vigilantyism is against the law.
Speaking of democracy. what if 2/3 the people of this country vote to bring back burning witches. Does the popular vote rule? I am sure glad we are not a democracy.
Oh really? Then tell these guys to go home. Go ahead, do it and see how well it works out for you:
You cherry picking pictures doesn't prove one damn thing. This might as well be a picture of the antifa because it is what they do. They are the ones clashing with the police and getting arrested. Those who clash with police are the bad guys.
The cops have no interest in fighting to defend monuments to an evil ideology, and I can't say I blame them.
The police do not decide what monuments they will protect. They do their job or they no longer have a job as far as I am concerned. I was in the army. You don't decide who you will fight, when or where. You do your job or you step down and let someone else do the job. The last person I want by my side in a battle is a person who does not follow orders.
Those are militiamen acting under nobody's authority but their own. It is a damn good thing they didn't kill anybody. But it is good to see that you see the danger that they pose acting like that.
Only they aren't going into battle, they are dealing with a bunch of statues whose time is past.
Police like the military don't decide. We the People decide and our representatives tell them what to dol. Either do your job or find a different job.
I agree all those old monuments need to go. We should start with the pyramids and pagan gods all over the world. Burn those books deny what happened. Unless it represents perfect people depicting a perfect world tear it down.
Police like the military don't decide. We the People decide and our representatives tell them what to dol. Either do your job or find a different job.
I agree all those old monuments need to go. We should start with the pyramids and pagan gods all over the world. Burn those books deny what happened. Unless it represents perfect people depicting a perfect world tear it down.
Yeah, conflating burning books with taking down monuments is just an indication you're not interested in honest debate. They are not the same thing, not close to the same thing, and no one has argued to deny history or erase history or deny that anything happened.
It's a stupid argument for another reason, too. If history is told only by through a monument, then a monument to a white supremacist installed by white supremacists tells a distorted view of history and denies the history of blacks and others those oppressed by white supremacists for centuries in this country. So using your logic, by leaving up those monuments, you're "burning the books" that tell anyone's story except those of white supremacists! You're figuratively burning the history of Jim Crow, slave markets, beatings, lynchings, selling kids away from their parents, rapes.
There is zero need to worship people who not only weren't perfect, but actively fought for an evil cause. .
Then put up monuments to the blacks. We didn't tear down Mt Rushmore but added Crazy Horse.
Like our founding fathers who fought not for our freedom but to be the rich and powerful who rule over the average people, enslave the black people, and decimated the American Indian while stealing their land.
Communities can do that. They can also take down monuments to white supremacists and Civil War heroes and replace them, or take them down and put up a tree, or nothing. Also fine. None of those options erases history or equates with book burning, which was your illogical argument.
The Confederacy definitely didn't fight for freedom bud, considering they want to war to continue owning slaves. You slandering the founding fathers is appreciated though.
Communities can and have banned books. Communities can and do remove historical land marks, monument, and history. That does not make it right.
Taking down a monument is nothing like banning books or rewriting history. It's a stupid analogy. That monument tells at best some part of some story about a single individual in a much broader era that involves acts by millions of other individuals. Creating a monument to one person necessarily means that some other person or event is NOT honored and is an effort, by your telling, to only remember a tiny sliver of history, to the exclusion of all others who were important in that era, and all other events that were significant.
And of course the fact that communities do X unrelated to Y does not make doing Y "right." Doing Y doesn't make Y "right" in anyone's given opinion. But that's not an argument against doing Y. In this case, monuments go up and they come down. It's a normal part of history, completely ordinary throughout all of recorded history. And any given community has the same right to elect which people and events to honor in its public square as those who installed those monuments. There can be no expectation that monuments, most of them erected in the Jim Crow era by all white governments (because blacks had no effective right to vote or hold office) are or should be binding on all generations that follow. It's unreasonable.
Sorry fact not slander.
They did not treat all men equally but enslaved the black people. Fact.
They did not let women vote or treat them as equal. Fact.
They did not treat the native Americans as equal. Fact.
They did not even let all men vote just the wealthy who owned land. Fact.
They did not revolt and fight England to give the people mention above equal treatment and rights. Fact.
They fought England so they could rule this country instead of England. Fact.
The Confederacy fought for slavery. Fact.
Supporters of the Confederacy desperately try to slander the founding fathers. Fact.
When did I say I supported the confederacy? I know more support the confederacy than I support the roman empire. But to destroy all their monuments and history because they did not support my views is pigheaded at best. The Mayan people supposedly did horrible things to the people they defeated in battle. Shall we destroy all the pyramids in Mexico? Just because I think those monuments shouldn't be torn down does not mean I support their beliefs and culture. I can appreciate the monuments and still be a decent person. It seems the people wanting to remove them cannot.
They are a part of history. I have driven through every state and stopped and read the plaques on 10's of thousands of monuments. Most represented something or some event that was not very nice. Very few had I ever studied in school. Most were small local events of the history of that area. A lot marked the spot of massacres and other horrible tragedies. The removal of these monuments is the removal of history. I can understand how people would be embarrassed by their ancestors evil ways that these monument show and represent. But removing the monuments does not undo the fact that it happened. It is only a way for those who are embarrassed to try and hide their shame.
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