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Major setback for human rights in China as Liu Xiaobo is jailed for 11 years

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Liu Xiabo, the founder of the Charter 08 campaign was jailed for 11 years yesterday on Christmas day, for "subversion" in calling for greater democracy in China.

"Liu Xiaobo's case is about agreed international human rights standards, not merely the internal affairs of China," said John Ralston Saul, the president of International PEN. "China is signatory to international treaties and conventions, and cannot be given a free pass when it acts against its own and international standards."

Chinese human rights activist Liu Xiaobo sentenced to 11 years in jail | World news | guardian.co.uk

Liu's most famous words are probably: "we should end the practice of viewing words as crimes".

The contemporary artist Ai Weiwei was among those at the courtroom. "This does not mean a meteor has fallen. This is the discovery of a star."

Recently in Hong Kong the memoirs of Zhao Ziyang were published that called for free elections, and the separation of the judiciary from the Communist Party and the executive. For such grave thoughtcrimes, as well as undue sympathy to the students in Tiananmen Square and an opposition to the martial law that was unleashed against them on June 4th 1989, Zhao, a former General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party and premier of the people's Republic of China, spent his last ten years under house arrest.

But all this hides a great fear on behalf of nationalist hardliners and those in government with a corrupt self interest in China's economic boom. The Chinese Communist Party is inpenetrable, but harsh sentences like this do not take place unless there is a large faction within the ruling elite which favours Liu and the legacy of Zhao Ziyang.

Zhao Ziyang said:
It would be wrong if our Party never makes the transition from a state that was suitable in a time of war to a state more suitable to a democratic society...the reform of the legal system and an independent judiciary should take precedence. Our hope is for the ruling position of the Communist Party to be maintained for a considerable period of time so that the transition can be made under its leadership...however this ruling position should not be maintained by using the constitution to monoploze this status. Rather the Party must be made to compete for it. I believe that this is a worldwide trend that we cannot defy.

These words are banned in mainland China.

Sun Yat Sen's are not:

Sun Yat Sen said:
Worldwide trends are enormous and powerful; those who follow them prosper; those who resist them perish.

Surely a form of liberal democracy, with Confucian Chinese characteristics, will emerge in China? This instinctive fear of freedom cannot go on for ever.
 
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The difficult thing is that China has never had an effective democracy. Its people are used to 1000 years of dictatorial rule, either under dynastic monarchy or the Communists. They want more rights but no one knows how to fight for them.

I think once the current status quo of development begins to plateau and the middle class fall into hard times there, the government will see the end of its days. The CPP provides right now.
 
I find it sad that free peoples and believers in democracy should show so little interest in the plight of one of their own being persecuted for their beliefs. The inward looking isolationism depresses me.

So I'm bumping this month old thread in case I'm wrong.
 
This surprises you?

They don't care about it in Cuba. They don't care about it in Iran. They don't care about it in Venezuela. They didn't care about it in the USSR -- or even current Russia. Why would they care about it in China?
 
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But Obama sent a strongly worded message to Honduras! That counts for something, doesn't it? Sure, the message warning Honduras to change their "absoluist" ways was lost in the hub-hub of the Honduras election. But at least he... Tried?
 
I find it sad that free peoples and believers in democracy should show so little interest in the plight of one of their own being persecuted for their beliefs. The inward looking isolationism depresses me.

They don't care about it in Cuba. They don't care about it in Iran. They don't care about it in Venezuela. They didn't care about it in the USSR -- or even current Russia. Why would they care about it in China?

I don't think that's it. I think it's been quiet in here because there's really nothing to say. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it is wrong. Yes, the government needs to change. Yes, the people need to change it.

How many times can you say that on an Internet forum which is most likely not being watched by anybody of any particular importance?

Maybe people are sticking to threads where there's actually . . . gasp . . . something to disagree about.
 
Politicians mean everything they say in order to get elected.
 
This is a setback for China.
 
Politicians mean everything they say in order to get elected.

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I don't think that's it. I think it's been quiet in here because there's really nothing to say. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it is wrong. Yes, the government needs to change. Yes, the people need to change it.

How many times can you say that on an Internet forum which is most likely not being watched by anybody of any particular importance?

Maybe people are sticking to threads where there's actually . . . gasp . . . something to disagree about.

I'm not talking about message boards.
 
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