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Maine residents to work for food stamps, governor says

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[h=1]Maine residents to work for food stamps, governor says [/h]
Maine's Republican governor on Wednesday launched a push to make more “able-bodied” people work for their food stamps.

“People who are in need deserve a hand up, but we should not be giving able-bodied individuals a handout,’’ said Gov. Paul R. LePage.
LePage will reportedly stop seeking a federal waiver — issued in 2009 at the height of the Great Recession — allowing some food stamp recipients to bypass requirements that they work or volunteer, according to local news channel WCSH.

Anybody see anything wrong with this?

Me neither.
 
[h=1]Maine residents to work for food stamps, governor says [/h]


Anybody see anything wrong with this?

Me neither.

It depends. Some issues that immediately come to mind are:

1. It would interfere with job hunting, which is a full time job in and of itself;
2. Transportation issues. Are people in dire circumstances supposed to pay for the gas or bus fare to go work somewhere without pay, when they already can't buy all the food they need? Or are govt funds going to be spent (in addn to food stamps) to go pick them up and take them home.
3. Who will watch the kids while the parents are working? There's no income to pay for someone in the neighborhood to watch the kids for a few hours.
4. Who decides how able bodied they are? That lady behind the counter? Do they have to get a physical? Who pays for that? How do they get to the place to get a physical?

See, all these things come into play, when you're talking about people at the bottom, who have nothing. Some are frauds. But most are really poor, without even $5 to their name.

You have to think of logistics, when you're talking about people w/o the normal things that most people have, like a few bucks in the pocket, gas for a car, a car, transportation, someone to watch their kids.

But it's easier to group them as "those others," if you haven't been there yourself.
 
It depends. Some issues that immediately come to mind are:

1. It would interfere with job hunting, which is a full time job in and of itself;
2. Transportation issues. Are people in dire circumstances supposed to pay for the gas or bus fare to go work somewhere without pay, when they already can't buy all the food they need? Or are govt funds going to be spent (in addn to food stamps) to go pick them up and take them home.
3. Who will watch the kids while the parents are working? There's no income to pay for someone in the neighborhood to watch the kids for a few hours.
4. Who decides how able bodied they are? That lady behind the counter? Do they have to get a physical? Who pays for that? How do they get to the place to get a physical?

See, all these things come into play, when you're talking about people at the bottom, who have nothing. Some are frauds. But most are really poor, without even $5 to their name.

You have to think of logistics, when you're talking about people w/o the normal things that most people have, like a few bucks in the pocket, gas for a car, a car, transportation, someone to watch their kids.

But it's easier to group them as "those others," if you haven't been there yourself.
1. Why not count the hours actually spend looking for work?
2. We're talking about 20% of the population here, not just the poorest of the poor.
(CNSNews.com) -- A record 20% of American households, one in five, were on food stamps in 2013, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).
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3. without dependents.
4. Good question. If someone is so disabled as to be unable to work at all, it should be obvious to anyone.
 
It depends. Some issues that immediately come to mind are:

1. It would interfere with job hunting, which is a full time job in and of itself;
2. Transportation issues. Are people in dire circumstances supposed to pay for the gas or bus fare to go work somewhere without pay, when they already can't buy all the food they need? Or are govt funds going to be spent (in addn to food stamps) to go pick them up and take them home.
3. Who will watch the kids while the parents are working? There's no income to pay for someone in the neighborhood to watch the kids for a few hours.
4. Who decides how able bodied they are? That lady behind the counter? Do they have to get a physical? Who pays for that? How do they get to the place to get a physical?

See, all these things come into play, when you're talking about people at the bottom, who have nothing. Some are frauds. But most are really poor, without even $5 to their name.

You have to think of logistics, when you're talking about people w/o the normal things that most people have, like a few bucks in the pocket, gas for a car, a car, transportation, someone to watch their kids.

But it's easier to group them as "those others," if you haven't been there yourself.

All good points, but who does those tasks when they go job hunting, and what do they use for transportation? I don't know what the State pays in food stamps, but surely they would not be expected to work more than one or two days a week, at most, and it's possible they could learn some skills that would help them in their job search.
 
All good points, but who does those tasks when they go job hunting, and what do they use for transportation? I don't know what the State pays in food stamps, but surely they would not be expected to work more than one or two days a week, at most, and it's possible they could learn some skills that would help them in their job search.

Think it through. Put yourself in that position. Then YOU tell ME the difference.

Okay, I'll tell you. The difference in job hunting and working for food stamps is that with job hunting, there's an expectation that you'll get a job with income. It also isn't a regular thing....going to and from every day. You also have some control over when and where you go (on the bus line, for example). And when you're working for food stamps, you will not be able to look for a job, making it all the harder to find one.

It IS possible they could learn some skills to help with a job search, but let's be frank. They're going to be picking up trash on the road, or stuffing envelopes, or some really low level thing that will not interfere with some organization's regular duties and staff. That's my guess, anyway.

And what about the need for food right away? Do you have to eat crackers for 2 or 3 weeks while you wait to get entered in that work system? Do you need to go for a physical, too, first?

I predict this will be a failure and will cause some suffering in the meantime. I understand the concept, and on some level it makes sense. But it's not like you or me volunteering. These are people who can't even buy food.

I know some of these things because I have a sister who went through this years back. It was her fault, for sure. But once someone screws up and then tries to turn things around, they are still in quite a pickle for a while. She enrolled in Medicaid or something. Part of that program was that they offered a computer skills class, staffed by volunteers. (Or maybe it was a food stamp program; I forget). She had a degree and office and computer skills, but she was way outdated, what with how fast things change. So she went there (with what little gas she had) to brush up on her skills, only to find out that they charge $10 for the class. She left because she didn't have $10. And she had lost the gas it took to go there. (I guess she couldn't call?) There wasn't time for me to send $10 to her. The way it is for people down on their luck is that they feel beaten down, they are depressed, they don't have the positive energy that others do. Any little thing in their path can knock them down. It's hard to interview time after time and be rejected. She called me once after being rejected for a job again; she lost out to cheap immigrants. She had a degree and was applying for jobs like sausage stuffer or whatever. When I spoke to her, her voice was very low and quivering. She just said she didn't get the job. "They don't want me. No one wants me." After that, it's hard to go out and interview again, dress nicely, put on a smile, and basically beg for a job you know you're not going to get.

Logistics matter to people at the bottom. $5 worth of gas money means a lot.

BUT, in a way, the work for food program might help in getting people to feel productive again. Be around other people in a social setting, all working toward the same goal. An unemployed person might actually feel more useful. It might help his confidence. IF they can swing the logistics.

(Note: I'm not talking about the frauds. There are always frauds. There are druggies and deadbeats getting food stamps.)
 
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All good points, but who does those tasks when they go job hunting, and what do they use for transportation? I don't know what the State pays in food stamps, but surely they would not be expected to work more than one or two days a week, at most, and it's possible they could learn some skills that would help them in their job search.

I would also add that some people who get food stamps actually have jobs. They just don't get paid much. But I assume the program is aimed at the unemployed.
 
It depends. Some issues that immediately come to mind are:

1. It would interfere with job hunting, which is a full time job in and of itself;
2. Transportation issues. Are people in dire circumstances supposed to pay for the gas or bus fare to go work somewhere without pay, when they already can't buy all the food they need? Or are govt funds going to be spent (in addn to food stamps) to go pick them up and take them home.
3. Who will watch the kids while the parents are working? There's no income to pay for someone in the neighborhood to watch the kids for a few hours.
4. Who decides how able bodied they are? That lady behind the counter? Do they have to get a physical? Who pays for that? How do they get to the place to get a physical?

See, all these things come into play, when you're talking about people at the bottom, who have nothing. Some are frauds. But most are really poor, without even $5 to their name.

You have to think of logistics, when you're talking about people w/o the normal things that most people have, like a few bucks in the pocket, gas for a car, a car, transportation, someone to watch their kids.

But it's easier to group them as "those others," if you haven't been there yourself.

How is that the problem of those whose wealth is being taken?
 
[h=1]Maine residents to work for food stamps, governor says [/h]


Anybody see anything wrong with this?

Me neither.

Nope. I'm not seeing anything wrong with this. I have to admit, that I'd not have expected it from Main, but OK, sure.

Other posters have expressed concern about the disabled, who are unable to work at all. Yeah, there's fraud, but someone who physically or mentally can't work, well, they need support. They didn't ask or cause themselves to be this way. Of course, cheating and claiming disability when not, well, I've got no sympathy for that.
 
How is that the problem of those whose wealth is being taken?

Having people that can't involve themselves in the marketplace is bad for everyone. Desperation breds crime and cultural issues, which is also bad for everyone.
 
Yes. They will be working for an average of $1.21 per hour based on the numbers in your article.

That will probably increase pretty quickly.
 
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Its that or 0.00 per hour. How about them apples?

We will see. 12,000 x 20 hours per week=A lot of new jobs not being needed. I foresee a new Obama Executive Order coming soon to a theater near you (and some federal lawsuits)
 
That will probably increase pretty quickly once the system is in place.

Yes, under order of a federal court I will imagine.
 
4. Good question. If someone is so disabled as to be unable to work at all, it should be obvious to anyone.

My disability is obvious to every doctor who's ever spoken to me, including Social Security's own hirelings, but that hasn't stopped the SSA from dicking me around for seven years.

I need food stamps to survive, and if I have to work to get them, I can't do it.
 
Having people that can't involve themselves in the marketplace is bad for everyone. Desperation breds crime and cultural issues, which is also bad for everyone.

Ahh yes the old "If government doesn't step in these people will turn to CRIME!!!" What a ****ed way of thinking about people. Seriously.
 
My disability is obvious to every doctor who's ever spoken to me, including Social Security's own hirelings, but that hasn't stopped the SSA from dicking me around for seven years.

I need food stamps to survive, and if I have to work to get them, I can't do it.

Yet, you can afford a computer and internet access... but you just GOTTA have benefits to survive. I smell a priorities are ****ed up problem here.
 
Ahh yes the old "If government doesn't step in these people will turn to CRIME!!!" What a ****ed way of thinking about people. Seriously.

Are you denying that some would? If the choice is steal or starve, how many do you think would choose to starve?
 
Yet, you can afford a computer and internet access... but you just GOTTA have benefits to survive. I smell a priorities are ****ed up problem here.

You don't know dick about Korimyr's disability or circumstances other than the very little he's disclosed, so perhaps you should disembark from your high horse for once in your life.
 
Ahh yes the old "If government doesn't step in these people will turn to CRIME!!!" What a ****ed way of thinking about people. Seriously.

You should be aware I don't support welfare. That does mean however that I ignore that people will turn to crime when they are desperate. I also have no faith in humanity, so yeah.
 
You should be aware I don't support welfare. That does mean however that I ignore that people will turn to crime when they are desperate. I also have no faith in humanity, so yeah.

So, because you have no faith in "humanity" because people might steal... you support stealing wealth from those that are productive to keep those that aren't productive from stealing. That's just messed up man.
 
So, because you have no faith in "humanity" because people might steal... you support stealing wealth from those that are productive to keep those that aren't productive from stealing. That's just messed up man.

What part of I don't support welfare are you not getting?
 
You don't know dick about Korimyr's disability or circumstances other than the very little he's disclosed, so perhaps you should disembark from your high horse for once in your life.

I'm sorry, I don't feel bad that the guy that HAS to have government assistance finds money for things that aren't survival. Does that mean I feel bad for him on a personal level? YOU BET! But don't ****ing talk about about needing assistance when you got unnecessary spending on display.
 
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