Mafia #3.2 - Pasch's Carnival of Horrors

[Fisher]

##unvote cAPSLOCK

 

[Paschendale]

Vote count

The Mark - 1 (Roughdraft)
Chad - 1 (Capslock)
Fisher - 1 (DDD)

Not voting: X Factor, Helix, The Mark, Blue_State, Chad, Fisher

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 ends at midnight at the end of Feb 27th. That's 4 days and 1 hour.[/QUOTE]

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Perhaps a list of suspects from everyone will get this train moving. It makes no sense to wait until the last minute to start throwing out our suspects.

Mine:
RoughDraft
Fisher
TheMark
Blue_State

(In no particular order)

 

[The Mark]

Perhaps a list of suspects from everyone will get this train moving. It makes no sense to wait until the last minute to start throwing out our suspects.

Mine:
RoughDraft
Fisher
TheMark
Blue_State

(In no particular order)

Might actually be a helpful idea...hmm...



Chaddelamancha
cAPSLOCK
roughdraft274
Blue_State
Fisher

(in descending suspicion order, more or less...)

 

[Fisher]

Might actually be a helpful idea...hmm...



Chaddelamancha
cAPSLOCK
roughdraft274
Blue_State
Fisher

(in descending suspicion order, more or less...)

Replace roughdraft with X factor and drop that last jerk and that is about where I am right now

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Don't get where everyone seems like I did something suspicious. I don't know how not voting for a person you think is town to avoid a no-lynch makes you the top suspect. Why would I vote for Eco when I thought he was town? Seems like a good way to lose 2 townies after the first day, rather than just one. I didn't think it was worth it. Had Eco turned up town TheMark would be the clear suspect. And I am sure more than just TheMark and I have Fisher on their list, so it's not like I was voting for someone other people didn't suspect.

Might actually be a helpful idea...hmm...



Chaddelamancha
cAPSLOCK
roughdraft274
Blue_State
Fisher

(in descending suspicion order, more or less...)

 

[The Mark]

Don't get where everyone seems like I did something suspicious. I don't know how not voting for a person you think is town to avoid a no-lynch makes you the top suspect. Why would I vote for Eco when I thought he was town? Seems like a good way to lose 2 townies after the first day, rather than just one. I didn't think it was worth it. Had Eco turned up town TheMark would be the clear suspect. And I am sure more than just TheMark and I have Fisher on their list, so it's not like I was voting for someone other people didn't suspect.

You may not agree with my reasoning, but you should know by now (after an explanation of two from me) that I firmly believe a no-lynch is worse than a mis-lynch, excepting in rare situations near the end of a game and involving specific numbers of mafia and town players (something that doesn't really apply here because this is a closed game).

 

[Chaddelamancha]

I'm not saying your guilty because of your vote. I was of the firm belief that had I switched to Eco, we would have lost two townies at the start of Day 2. I wasn't willing to do that. I understand that my non-vote for Eco is suspicious, but not the most suspicious thing.

What I do find odd is Roughdraft's proposal directly conflicts with a scenario I put forth accusing him of being scum. And Fisher comes to his defense, for seemingly no reason. How can Fisher be so certain that Roughdraft is town?

You may not agree with my reasoning, but you should know by now (after an explanation of two from me) that I firmly believe a no-lynch is worse than a mis-lynch, excepting in rare situations near the end of a game and involving specific numbers of mafia and town players (something that doesn't really apply here because this is a closed game).

 

[roughdraft274]

Interesting that the one guy I have accused of being scum and voting for his own, proposes a solution to ignore that exact scenario. I think that not pursuing all avenues and options is bad for town and anyone suggesting otherwise has nefarious intentions.

As I pointed out, even if a mafia member had voted for Eco, we would still have one vote to get that mafia member. The only way we would have no chance of losing is if there are two mafia members that voted for Eco. If we vote off all the people that didn't vote for eco and then there is still a mafia member, then I invite everyone at that point to either vote me off or who ever they think is most likely a mafia member.

I think my plan is good because the people that I find most suspicious didn't vote for Eco, and it also lets us cover our asses by getting rid of a possible mafia member that snuck by not looking suspicious, but at the same time didn't have to vote for Eco, and then it even has the fail safe that we can, just in case there is a mafia member that voted for Eco, we have a vote left to get rid of that mafia member.

It's our best option.

 

[Fisher]

I'm not saying your guilty because of your vote. I was of the firm belief that had I switched to Eco, we would have lost two townies at the start of Day 2. I wasn't willing to do that. I understand that my non-vote for Eco is suspicious, but not the most suspicious thing.

What I do find odd is Roughdraft's proposal directly conflicts with a scenario I put forth accusing him of being scum. And Fisher comes to his defense, for seemingly no reason. How can Fisher be so certain that Roughdraft is town?

Because I find nothing Roughdraft has done suspicious. Likewise I find cAPSLOCK suspicious for going after Helix who couldn't come across more vanilla than if he came with a waffle cone. Your votes I just do not get. While I can get voting against me, some of the other names you put out there seem like you and I have completely opposing views as to what is suspicious which makes me think we have different goals. Mine is the save the town, ergo yours would be to kill the town.

 

[roughdraft274]

I agree, but why do you suspect me? Because I didn't vote for Eco? I will vote eco now if it make you happy!

You have no reason to suspect me except I didn't vote for Eco.

You didn't vote for Eco and you are actively going after the guy that really pushed to get rid of Eco, Fisher. That's more than suspicious to me.

 

[roughdraft274]

What I do find odd is Roughdraft's proposal directly conflicts with a scenario I put forth accusing him of being scum. And Fisher comes to his defense, for seemingly no reason. How can Fisher be so certain that Roughdraft is town?

You're forgetting that my plan has the added back up that after we vote off the people that didn't help us kill of a mafia member, we still get to vote off one person that voted for Eco. If you're trying to say that Fisher and I got together and planned to execute our mafia extremely powerful team mate, which would have allowed us extra kills, just in order to appear town? Don't you think we would have tried to go after a mafia member that wasn't quite as important? And if I was positive that Eco was mafia and wanted to show that I was a townie, why on earth would I point out that I wasn't positive of Eco, but voted for him because he seemed suspicious and that I would still change my vote if the opportunity came up? It just makes no sense.

 

[roughdraft274]

My list:

Chad
Blue
DDD (simply for not voting for Eco, haven't seen anything suspicious yet)
TheMark

##unvote: TheMark
##Vote: Chaddelamancha

I think him and Blue are our best bet, and I don't want a no lynch tonight.

And I'm sticking to my guns until I get some feed back on my strategy. If everyone hates it then that's fine but I do feel like at the very least it should be discussed.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Your plan is based on an assumption that there is only 1 scum member left. If there are two left, then scum wins on Day 5. The way Fisher is defending you (Keep in mind, you are the ONLY person he has defended), if you and he are the remaining scum team, then your plan works out perfectly for a scum win. I think it is a dangerous game for town to play.

You're forgetting that my plan has the added back up that after we vote off the people that didn't help us kill of a mafia member, we still get to vote off one person that voted for Eco. If you're trying to say that Fisher and I got together and planned to execute our mafia extremely powerful team mate, which would have allowed us extra kills, just in order to appear town? Don't you think we would have tried to go after a mafia member that wasn't quite as important? And if I was positive that Eco was mafia and wanted to show that I was a townie, why on earth would I point out that I wasn't positive of Eco, but voted for him because he seemed suspicious and that I would still change my vote if the opportunity came up? It just makes no sense.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Odd that he is the only person you have defended.

Also, cAPSLOCK was a strong proponent for avoiding the no-lynch, which smacks of town.

Having a different opinion than you seems more and more like a good thing at this point. I might have to break out my tin foil hat for this, but Eco is too smart to play that different when he was scum. I have seen him play both town and scum and he is always....well Eco. This game his behavior was different. I incorrectly assumed he might have a Town PR, clearly I was way off. He is smart enough to throw the game so that Fisher comes out smelling like roses. I think those who voted for Eco, was because he behavior was different this time, which would lend to my theory. Whatever happens, I am anxious to find out if this was the case.

What we know so far: You were adamant that Eco was scum and Roughdraft is town. These are the only two you have been absolutely sure of. Almost as if you knew their alignment already.

Look, vote me off if you find me suspicious, I am not that big of a lost for town, but don't focus on just those who didn't vote for Eco. That would severely hamper town.

Because I find nothing Roughdraft has done suspicious. Likewise I find cAPSLOCK suspicious for going after Helix who couldn't come across more vanilla than if he came with a waffle cone. Your votes I just do not get. While I can get voting against me, some of the other names you put out there seem like you and I have completely opposing views as to what is suspicious which makes me think we have different goals. Mine is the save the town, ergo yours would be to kill the town.

 

[The Mark]

I'm not saying your guilty because of your vote. I was of the firm belief that had I switched to Eco, we would have lost two townies at the start of Day 2. I wasn't willing to do that. I understand that my non-vote for Eco is suspicious, but not the most suspicious thing.

What I do find odd is Roughdraft's proposal directly conflicts with a scenario I put forth accusing him of being scum. And Fisher comes to his defense, for seemingly no reason. How can Fisher be so certain that Roughdraft is town?

My point was that I firmly believed eco was town as well.

But I switched because I considered no-lynch worse than mis-lynch.


And I had thought most players did as well, at least the ones with a game or two behind them. Assumption bad.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

My point was that I firmly believed eco was town as well.

But I switched because I considered no-lynch worse than mis-lynch.


And I had thought most players did as well, at least the ones with a game or two behind them. Assumption bad.

If it was someone I was remotely suspicious I would have switched. I thought, perhaps Eco had a town power role and that was the purpose behind his oddness. I was wrong. Hindsight and all.

 

[DDD]

The way Fisher is defending you (Keep in mind, you are the ONLY person he has defended), if you and he are the remaining scum team, then your plan works out perfectly for a scum win. I think it is a dangerous game for town to play.

To me it seems that Fisher actually defends Helix more:

...Likewise I find cAPSLOCK suspicious for going after Helix who couldn't come across more vanilla than if he came with a waffle cone. Your votes I just do not get. While I can get voting against me, some of the other names you put out there seem like you and I have completely opposing views as to what is suspicious which makes me think we have different goals. Mine is the save the town, ergo yours would be to kill the town.

Which goes along with MadLib's death. He was after them two.

But how come you do not recognize that he also defends Helix? On that Fisher's post 610 there he was responding back to you?

 

[The Mark]

If it was someone I was remotely suspicious I would have switched. I thought, perhaps Eco had a town power role and that was the purpose behind his oddness. I was wrong. Hindsight and all.

If eco had been a town PR, I would have expected hints and a claim toward the end.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Saying Helix is vanilla isn't the same as saying Roughdraft isn't scum.

To me it seems that Fisher actually defends Helix more:



Which goes along with MadLib's death. He was after them two.

But how come you do not recognize that he also defends Helix? On that Fisher's post 610 there he was responding back to you?

 

[Chaddelamancha]

Maybe. Eco is a tough bird to read. But I as I recall he was upset last time he was a PR and didn't get to use it and thought about playing it different.

If eco had been a town PR, I would have expected hints and a claim toward the end.

 

[roughdraft274]

Your plan is based on an assumption that there is only 1 scum member left. If there are two left, then scum wins on Day 5. The way Fisher is defending you (Keep in mind, you are the ONLY person he has defended), if you and he are the remaining scum team, then your plan works out perfectly for a scum win. I think it is a dangerous game for town to play.

Day 5?

My plan is not based on there being 1 mafia member left. It is based on there being two. Which is most likely, and which also works if there is only one mafia member left just as well.

Right now there are 7 town and 2 mafia (assumed) If we assume that the two mafia members didn't vote for eco, and we vote off everyone that did not vote for Eco (3 people) it would go as follows.

Today 7 town 2 mafia - vote off 1 at random (lets say they flip town, worst case scenario), then the remaining two that didn't vote for Eco would be mafia members because there are two mafia members and two people that didn't vote for Eco. We vote them off in consecutive days, and we win.

Lets say that there are two mafia members and one of them voted for Eco, most likely me or Mark.

Today 7 town 2 mafia. We vote off 1 at random (lets say they flip town, worst case scenario). Then mafia kills townie at night (assuming we never get lucky with the doctor saving a townie or the cop discovering a mafia member assuming that we have power roles on the town side) So tomorrow (day 3) we would be at 5 town 2 mafia. We **** up, vote off yet another townie, got to night and mafia kill another townie, ten we sit at (day 4) 3 town and 2 mafia. That means tat the last person that didn't vote for Eco has to be mafia, so we vote them off. mafia kills a townie at night. Day 5 we sit at 2 townies, 1 mafia, and we have to make an educated guess based on te information we have.

So to sum it up, my plan works better if both of the mafia members didn't vote for Eco, but by no means do we automatically lose if we follow it and one of the mafia guys voted for Eco.

And Chad, it's looking mighty suspicious that you continue arguing against my plan on a false premise.

 

[The Mark]

Day 5?

My plan is not based on there being 1 mafia member left. It is based on there being two. Which is most likely, and which also works if there is only one mafia member left just as well.

Right now there are 7 town and 2 mafia (assumed) If we assume that the two mafia members didn't vote for eco, and we vote off everyone that did not vote for Eco (3 people) it would go as follows.

Today 7 town 2 mafia - vote off 1 at random (lets say they flip town, worst case scenario), then the remaining two that didn't vote for Eco would be mafia members because there are two mafia members and two people that didn't vote for Eco. We vote them off in consecutive days, and we win.

Lets say that there are two mafia members and one of them voted for Eco, most likely me or Mark.

Today 7 town 2 mafia. We vote off 1 at random (lets say they flip town, worst case scenario). Then mafia kills townie at night (assuming we never get lucky with the doctor saving a townie or the cop discovering a mafia member assuming that we have power roles on the town side) So tomorrow (day 3) we would be at 5 town 2 mafia. We **** up, vote off yet another townie, got to night and mafia kill another townie, ten we sit at (day 4) 3 town and 2 mafia. That means tat the last person that didn't vote for Eco has to be mafia, so we vote them off. mafia kills a townie at night. Day 5 we sit at 2 townies, 1 mafia, and we have to make an educated guess based on te information we have.

So to sum it up, my plan works better if both of the mafia members didn't vote for Eco, but by no means do we automatically lose if we follow it and one of the mafia guys voted for Eco.

And Chad, it's looking mighty suspicious that you continue arguing against my plan on a false premise.

While I think your idea is good, and that we should keep an eye on everyone who didn't vote for ecofarm.

But at the same time, disregarding everyone else is risky at best. For all we know, ALL the mafia voted for eco...except eco himself.

Unlikely but possible.


Basically what I'm saying is that we should not blindly follow your plan, but that it makes some good points.

 

[Chaddelamancha]

You said we should discuss the plan, discussing it I am. Although it seems that I misread what it is you were saying. It doesn't seem to be a bad plan.

The only disadvantages are:

A) If both townies voted Eco, which is a highly unlikely scenario and a ballsy one with which scum would deserve the win.

B) It gives scum a slight advantage because they will dictate the conversation after the Night phase.They will be able to manipulate easier who the last two town members are.

Just some thoughts on the plan. I say go with it, even though it means my demise. I would argue that Blue_State is more suspicious than me, as I have been trying to stimulate discussion while he has done next to nothing. I would start with him, but that's just me. But like I said, I am not that big a lost for town.

Day 5?

My plan is not based on there being 1 mafia member left. It is based on there being two. Which is most likely, and which also works if there is only one mafia member left just as well.

Right now there are 7 town and 2 mafia (assumed) If we assume that the two mafia members didn't vote for eco, and we vote off everyone that did not vote for Eco (3 people) it would go as follows.

Today 7 town 2 mafia - vote off 1 at random (lets say they flip town, worst case scenario), then the remaining two that didn't vote for Eco would be mafia members because there are two mafia members and two people that didn't vote for Eco. We vote them off in consecutive days, and we win.

Lets say that there are two mafia members and one of them voted for Eco, most likely me or Mark.

Today 7 town 2 mafia. We vote off 1 at random (lets say they flip town, worst case scenario). Then mafia kills townie at night (assuming we never get lucky with the doctor saving a townie or the cop discovering a mafia member assuming that we have power roles on the town side) So tomorrow (day 3) we would be at 5 town 2 mafia. We **** up, vote off yet another townie, got to night and mafia kill another townie, ten we sit at (day 4) 3 town and 2 mafia. That means tat the last person that didn't vote for Eco has to be mafia, so we vote them off. mafia kills a townie at night. Day 5 we sit at 2 townies, 1 mafia, and we have to make an educated guess based on te information we have.

So to sum it up, my plan works better if both of the mafia members didn't vote for Eco, but by no means do we automatically lose if we follow it and one of the mafia guys voted for Eco.

And Chad, it's looking mighty suspicious that you continue arguing against my plan on a false premise.

 

[Paschendale]

Vote count

Chad - 2 (Capslock, Roughdraft)
Fisher - 1 (DDD)

Not voting: X Factor, Helix, The Mark, Blue_State, Chad, Fisher

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Day 2 ends at midnight at the end of Feb 27th, in 3 days and 7 hours.

Also, Capslock, X Factor, Helix, and Blue_State must post by the end of today or get a prod. Keep in mind that too many prods will result in modkilling or replacement.