'Madison, Wisconsin, Is Not Ferguson, Missouri'

[Empirica]

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The Atlantic: “‘Madison, Wisconsin, Is Not Ferguson, Missouri’” - The Unz Review
BY STEVE SAILER • MARCH 9, 2015 • From The Atlantic:
The death of Tony Robinson, an unarmed black teenager shot by a white police officer, has inspired new protests under the banner of #BlackLivesMatter.
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Madison, WI is of course not some backward racist burgh like Ferguson, MO, it’s home to the University of Wisconsin and the state government. Madison is part of Dane County, which gave Obama 71% of its vote in 2012. We can see the difference in racist hatred levels in these statistics from the USA Today arrest rate database for 2011-2012:

Compare arrest rates
Ferguson Police Dept 2011-12 Arrest Rate Per 1000 Residents:
186.1 Black Rate________66 Non-Black Rate
Ferguson has a shocking 2.8x black to white ratio.

Now, here is liberal Madison, where voters know better...
Madison Police Dept 2011-12 Arrest Rate Per 1000 Residents:
593.1 Black Rate_______61.9 Non-Black Rate
So the black to white ratio is only 9.6x ... Oh, wait …

It turns out that very liberal Madison and its Dane County have just about the worst black-white inequality in America...

So if "racism" and "black inequality" (according to the Obama Administration and Main Stream Media/Press) are indeed the causes of such tragedies; then the arrest rate stats suggest that liberalism only serves to escalate these factors?!

Is it possible that if Liberalism were ever exposed for the evil it truly is; racial harmony might finally be realized?!

From everything I've seen; I would say a resounding yes!

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Considering that virtually every major city in the country is liberal and of those some have good race relations and some bad race relations, I don't think one can find the correlation to make the kind of over the top argument you are trying to make.

Hell there are no conservative areas I can think of with high racial diversity.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I find it hard to believe that over half of the blacks in Madison, WI are arrested in a given a year so that must mean that a few of them are arrested quite frequently within the year. That fits with my expectations for a liberal city - keep the crime rate up by letting repeat offenders remain at large.

 

[brothern]

So if "racism" and "black inequality" (according to the Obama Administration and Main Stream Media/Press) are indeed the causes of such tragedies; then the arrest rate stats suggest that liberalism only serves to escalate these factors?!

Nice try. You'll see a similar discrepant black-white arrest rate for Waukesha, Dodge, Ozaukee and Washington counties, which are 80-20 to 70-30 Republican depending on the election years and the home of the conservative movement in Wisconsin.

Represented by:

Police Dep - Black / White
Mequon Police - 439.9 / 50.2
Menomonee Falls Police - 434.1 / 39.3
Waukesha City - 657.2 / 92.9
Waukesha County - 78.8 / 5.9

You could even pull out city election returns and arrests within Milwaukee county and compare the suburbs (Wauwatosa, West Allis, Brown Deer) and their Republican vote totals to their own discrepant black-white arrest record.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Considering that virtually every major city in the country is liberal and of those some have good race relations and some bad race relations, I don't think one can find the correlation to make the kind of over the top argument you are trying to make.

Hell there are no conservative areas I can think of with high racial diversity.

Where I live is surely one of them with 42% speaking Spanish and 55% speaking English. I know Hispanic is not really a race but we certainly hear of racism touted as a primary reason to oppose illegal immigration (85% of our foreign born population is from Mexico).

Kyle TX 78640 Demographics - Movoto

 

[Empirica]

Considering that virtually every major city in the country is liberal and of those some have good race relations and some bad race relations, I don't think one can find the correlation to make the kind of over the top argument you are trying to make.

Hell there are no conservative areas I can think of with high racial diversity.

So you don't believe that being known as an extremely liberal city necessarily translates to better race relations?

I would think an extremely liberal city would be less likely to tolerate a racist police dept than a less liberal city_

71% of Madison/Dane County voted for Obama in 2012 which I believe more than qualifies it as extremely liberal_

According to the Obama/MSM narrative regarding Ferguson's Police Dept; the Madison Police Dept is racist as well_

In fact every police dept in the US with a higher black arrest rate than non-black arrest rate would be labeled racist_

 

[ALiberalModerate]

So you don't believe that being known as an extremely liberal city necessarily translates to better race relations?

I would think an extremely liberal city would be less likely to tolerate a racist police dept than a less liberal city_

71% of Madison/Dane County voted for Obama in 2012 which I believe more than qualifies it as extremely liberal_

According to the Obama/MSM narrative regarding Ferguson's Police Dept; the Madison Police Dept is racist as well_

In fact every police dept in the US with a higher black arrest rate than non-black arrest rate would be labeled racist_

I don't believe the arrest rate of blacks vs whites per a particular locality is on the average citizen's radar, thus I don't think you will find much of a correlation between how liberal or conservative an area is and whether its arrest rate is disproportionate or not.

That being said, I do believe that being a traditionally liberal city such as Madison, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Denver and so on tends to translate to a better overall quality of life, but that is a different discussion entirely.

 

[Lutherf]

Considering that virtually every major city in the country is liberal and of those some have good race relations and some bad race relations, I don't think one can find the correlation to make the kind of over the top argument you are trying to make.

Hell there are no conservative areas I can think of with high racial diversity.

Phoenix.

 

[US Conservative]

Phoenix.

San Diego. Orange county.

 

[Empirica]

Nice try. You'll see a similar discrepant black-white arrest rate for Waukesha, Dodge, Ozaukee and Washington counties, which are 80-20 to 70-30 Republican depending on the election years and the home of the conservative movement in Wisconsin.

Represented by:

Police Dep - Black / White
Mequon Police - 439.9 / 50.2
Menomonee Falls Police - 434.1 / 39.3
Waukesha City - 657.2 / 92.9
Waukesha County - 78.8 / 5.9

You could even pull out city election returns and arrests within Milwaukee county and compare the suburbs (Wauwatosa, West Allis, Brown Deer) and their Republican vote totals to their own discrepant black-white arrest record.

I must admit that much of this makes perfect sense____Well done Brothern! :applaud

But the Ferguson narrative tells us one thing while national statistics tell us something else!

So; what's your verdict on this geographic dilemma?

1) Blacks everywhere are simply more likely to be criminals!
or
2) Police Depts everywhere are simply more likely to be racist!

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Phoenix.

Is the city of Phoenix liberal or conservative though? The city's mayor is a Democrat.

 

[Lutherf]

Is the city of Phoenix liberal or conservative though? The city's mayor is a Democrat.

The Phoenix metro area is fairly conservative, especially compared to Tucson.

 

[Empirica]

I don't believe the arrest rate of blacks vs whites per a particular locality is on the average citizen's radar, thus I don't think you will find much of a correlation between how liberal or conservative an area is and whether its arrest rate is disproportionate or not.

Can we please suspend this ridiculous liberal/conservative argument due to the fact that you have taken the article's reference to it out of context, along with a little help by a bit of sarcasm on my part; which I apologize for_

In my defense; I assumed my playful sarcasm was too obvious to become a problem_

Lesson #1; never assume anything where liberals are involved__when will I ever learn!

The meat&potatoes of the OP is the Ferguson narrative and how it relates to similar incidences in other cities_

That being said, I do believe that being a traditionally liberal city such as Madison, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Denver and so on tends to translate to a better overall quality of life, but that is a different discussion entirely.

Well congratulations SD; you've managed to spark my interest in the irrelevant liberal/conservative angle after all!

If "being a traditionally liberal city...translates to a better overall quality of life" then why would the black arrest rate in a very traditionally liberal city such as Madison Wi be on the high end of the national average?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Can we please suspend this ridiculous liberal/conservative argument due to the fact that you have taken the article's reference to it out of context, along with a little help by a bit of sarcasm on my part; which I apologize for_

In my defense; I assumed my playful sarcasm was too obvious to become a problem_

Lesson #1; never assume anything where liberals are involved__when will I ever learn!

The meat&potatoes of the OP is the Ferguson narrative and how it relates to similar incidences in other cities_

Well congratulations SD; you've managed to spark my interest in the irrelevant liberal/conservative angle after all!

If "being a traditionally liberal city...translates to a better overall quality of life" then why would the black arrest rate in a very traditionally liberal city such as Madison Wi be on the high end of the national average?

I haven't the slightest idea. Perhaps its because for whatever reason Blacks in Madison commit far more crimes. That being said, the overall crime rate of Madison is quite low.