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Lowering Taxes does NOT create jobs?

jaeger19 said:
No no no... you got it all wrong... why just the other day..while going to lobby my congressman to help with a bill that my trade organization is lobbying for.... (and give substantial sums to his campaign fund).. I had to wait in line behind all the poor welfare moms that were talking to the congressman and telling him how to vote... :roll:

Gosh.. if only we could have access to congress like those welfare moms... and the homeless! You know that the homeless? That's where the real power lies in this country... :roll:
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The poor go to Congressman and they pretent to listen. Congressman go to the rich and collect checks. It's not even arguable who has more influence.
 
nic11 said:
By lots, how many do you estimate?

I also hope you include those that use the "commons" the most, esp. the courts to enforce trade laws, international, interstate commerce, wall st. corporate laws...etc.

You didn't still think them "welfare queens" in da hood were da ones usin' up all our taxes did ya?
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at least half or more
 
Gimmesometruth said:
False and ironic.

The notion that deficits are increasing is a sign of ignorance in the subject you are making declaratives upon.
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psychobabble-rejected as being silly
 
jaeger19 said:
Sure I have.. its supported by reality.

And I am very much a conservative... I once again defy you to point to any position I hold that is not conservative...

good luck..
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perhaps we shall take a poll

does supporting the rich paying more and more taxes on the specious grounds that they actually use more of the benefits the FIT funds make one a conservative?
 
TurtleDude said:
at least half or more
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Half of what? If you mean half of the takers of resources are "welfare queens" that means tens of billions MORE are taken by the wealthy and corporations.

Do you want to revise that amount a tad? :lamo
 
nic11 said:
Half of what? If you mean half of the takers of resources are "welfare queens" that means tens of billions MORE are taken by the wealthy and corporations.

Do you want to revise that amount a tad? :lamo
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remind me what welfare "queens" pay in taxes and provide to the economy versus corporations and the wealthy do

I don't get anything from the government that you do not get

you confuse "takers of resources" with "handouts"
 
TurtleDude said:
remind me what welfare "queens" pay in taxes and provide to the economy versus corporations and the wealthy do

I don't get anything from the government that you do not get

you confuse "takers of resources" with "handouts"
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Perhaps you should step out of your Ayn Rand novel fantasy world. Those that do not pay taxes, don't do so because they don't earn enough money, not because they sit around all day watching the tube. The working poor (as opposed to those who are disabled and can't work) typically work very hard but earn little.

What is really the disconnect is that these people don't pay taxes because Reagan passed the Earned Income Tax Credit. You also want to know something? Conservative champ Paul Ryan wants to increase the EITC as an attempt to woo poor voters. So while you denounce those who don't pay taxes as moochers, the leading conservatives want to have them pay fewer taxes.

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/u...Search&mabReward=relbias:r,{"1":"RI:10"}&_r=0
 
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MTAtech said:
Perhaps you should step out of your Ayn Rand novel fantasy world. Those that do not pay taxes, don't do so because they don't earn enough money, not because they sit around all day watching the tube. The working poor (as opposed to those who are disabled and can't work) typically work very hard but earn little.

What is really the disconnect is that these people don't pay taxes because Reagan passed the Earned Income Tax Credit. You also want to know something? Conservative champ Paul Ryan wants to increase the EITC as an attempt to woo poor voters. So while you denounce those who don't pay taxes as moochers, the leading conservatives want to have them pay fewer taxes.

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/u...Search&mabReward=relbias:r,{"1":"RI:10"}&_r=0
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what they do though is vote for big spending parasite enablers.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, pointing out that we have declining deficits...is not "psychobabble", it is in fact "stating the obvious". It hardly requires "deep study".
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Declining deficits with a rising debt isn't much to brag about, is it ?
 
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Fenton said:
Declining deficits with a rising debt isn't much to brag about, is it ?
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FFS....I wasn't

'bragging", I was countering a falsehood that you can't be bothered to....once again...understand.

I would advise you to focus on your own arguments instead of jumping into the middle of others....because you are flailing and failing.....but I know it won't make a difference, you are comfortable with stretching out failing argument.

Carry on.
 
wage slavery and zero taxes is not a way to run a nation.
 
Start Up New York !

LOL !!!

Sorry, I just watched ANOTHER " Start up NY '' Commercial and something occurred to me. What took them so long ? Because they're advertising their agenda like it's a brand new concept. They're calling it " Bold new ideas ".....LMAO !!!

That incentivizing new investment with Tax free zones is a revolutionary approach to creating new jobs. There is nothing new about it. It would seem that when the rubber meets the road, when it matters, when States are sitting on Billions in unfunded liabilities and debt, all of the nonsense leftist rhetoric about taxing the rich and tax increases to raise revenue just flys right out the window.

It's time to grow up I guess. Platitudes may get incompetent Progressives elected but they dont pay the bills.

So C'mon California. When are you going to eat crow and counter your tax base destroying left wing policies with something that actually works ??

START-UP NY |

 
Gimmesometruth said:
FFS....I wasn't

'bragging", I was countering a falsehood that you can't be bothered to....once again...understand.

I would advise you to focus on your own arguments instead of jumping into the middle of others....because you are flailing and failing.....but I know it won't make a difference, you are comfortable with stretching out failing argument.

Carry on.
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So States like NY are wasting Millions of dollars running National adds that promises Businesses that relocate a 10 year tax exemption ?
 
Fenton said:
So States like NY are wasting Millions of dollars running National adds that promises Businesses that relocate a 10 year tax exemption ?
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It's actually hilarious contradiction in action.

Why does NY State have to promise 10 years of business tax abatement? Because the business taxes were too high all along.

So why not change the business taxes to the level where they'd be after the abatements have been applied? 'On No! We couldn't possibly do that!'

So isn't the end result the following?
  • Businesses already established in the state are being hollowed out by taxes, and possibly be motivated to move out of the state
  • New businesses are motivated to move in, take advantage of the tax abatement, and when they expire, move out again.
Isn't this just resulting in the churning of businesses into and out of the state?
 
Re: Start Up New York !

Fenton said:
LOL !!!

Sorry, I just watched ANOTHER " Start up NY '' Commercial and something occurred to me. What took them so long ? Because they're advertising their agenda like it's a brand new concept. They're calling it " Bold new ideas ".....LMAO !!!

That incentivizing new investment with Tax free zones is a revolutionary approach to creating new jobs. There is nothing new about it. It would seem that when the rubber meets the road, when it matters, when States are sitting on Billions in unfunded liabilities and debt, all of the nonsense leftist rhetoric about taxing the rich and tax increases to raise revenue just flys right out the window.

It's time to grow up I guess. Platitudes may get incompetent Progressives elected but they dont pay the bills.

So C'mon California. When are you going to eat crow and counter your tax base destroying left wing policies with something that actually works ??

START-UP NY |

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Now why in the world would a business want to go where the tax treatment is favorable?

Don't they realize by paying more taxes, they are contributing to the common good of society?
 
eohrnberger said:
It's actually hilarious contradiction in action.

Why does NY State have to promise 10 years of business tax abatement? Because the business taxes were too high all along.

So why not change the business taxes to the level where they'd be after the abatements have been applied? 'On No! We couldn't possibly do that!'

So isn't the end result the following?
  • Businesses already established in the state are being hollowed out by taxes, and possibly be motivated to move out of the state
  • New businesses are motivated to move in, take advantage of the tax abatement, and when they expire, move out again.
Isn't this just resulting in the churning of businesses into and out of the state?
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not just that, it is a race to the bottom that applies greater pressure on other revenue sources.

Some here crow about Texas having no income tax......but then their property taxes are nearly double Califonia's.

There are NY State GOP members already complaining about the cost and cronyism of the selected businesses for the break.

I always read here how cons hate it when govt picks winners.....
 
Gimmesometruth said:
not just that, it is a race to the bottom that applies greater pressure on other revenue sources.

Some here crow about Texas having no income tax......but then their property taxes are nearly double Califonia's.

There are NY State GOP members already complaining about the cost and cronyism of the selected businesses for the break.

I always read here how cons hate it when govt picks winners.....
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I'm not in favor of any corporate welfare or cronyism.

Lately, the Import / Export bank has become an issue, from what I understand, it lends public money to private corporations for the purpose of promoting and supporting US corporate goods exports. On the surface, sure, it looks like corporate welfare or cronyism, until you look at other countries that are doing the same thing, or something similar. Isn't the goal to have a level playing field? To not penalize a corporation just because it's US based?

What to do?

I'm thinking that restructuring the US Import / Export bank in such a manner that it directly parallels, point for point, benefit for benefit, the benefits that economically similar, competing countries are providing their manufacturers. Making them exactly even would be the goal. Followed shortly by trade talks working to eliminate / wind down all the countries programs in parallel, point by point and benefit by benefit until they are all gone.

So, no, I'm no fan of government picking winners, nor corporate welfare nor cronyism. They are all market distortions, and we should be working to eliminate all of them.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
not just that, it is a race to the bottom that applies greater pressure on other revenue sources.

Some here crow about Texas having no income tax......but then their property taxes are nearly double Califonia's.

There are NY State GOP members already complaining about the cost and cronyism of the selected businesses for the break.

I always read here how cons hate it when govt picks winners.....
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States like California pick winners and losers too.

Their excessive taxes on local businesses keeps new businesses from setting up shop. Who in their right mind would want to move to the " Gotcha " State ?
 
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KLATTU said:
Now why in the world would a business want to go where the tax treatment is favorable?

Don't they realize by paying more taxes, they are contributing to the common good of society?
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Exactly. How unpatriotic of them !
 
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Fenton said:
LOL !

I agree, thats the very best you have to offer
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whereas, your best is to already post in the main thread on this topic, but still feel the need to duplicate it later.

that... is weird
 
Fenton said:
States like California pick winners and losers too.

Their excessive taxes on local businesses keeps new businesses from setting up shop. Who in their right mind would want to move to the " Gotcha " State ?
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How does homogenous rates "pick" winners and losers?

Do you think about what you write before you post?

Now if you had said that corps that are able to avoid property tax re-assessments by creating shells that shift ownership artificially and avoid rate increase thanks to the way prop 13 was written...picks winners and losers.....you might have had a point.....but you didn't...so you don't.

oh, by the way.....are you abandoning your duplicate thread on this topic....to post here?
 
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