OK, maybe it was not to gain influence. I found this article.........
Your article is just an article. It mentions every guess at a reason except one....12 years of putting up with Saddam Hussein was enough. Whatever comes from toppling the UN's untouchable dictator is called the fruits of war.
I gave you examples of genocides not being stopped by Americans, dictatorships supported by Americans and democracies overthrown by Americans...and all you answer is that it has happened a long time ago and that it was "former temporary mistakes"?!
That's right. Temporary necessities during a threat of global nuclear holocaust. With the vast majority of the entire world not lifting a finger for anybody.....you choose to criticize America for doing sometimes and not all the time? You people use this as an excuse to do nothing. The Cold War demanded quick fixes for entire regions. The Cold War is over. Saudi Arabia is as "soveriegn" as China and we do business with both. However, unlike the Cold War, we do not pretend oppression and brutality isn't happening. Are you suggesting that your European soveriegnty laws are supposed to protect Hussein, but not Saudi Arabia and China? If America isn't tripping all over itself being perfect everywhere all the time, Europe is supposed to get a pass? It was America that organized the world to oust HUssein from Kuwait. It was America that organized NATO in Bosnia. It was America that led the humanitarian effort in Somalia.
When China, Russia, France, or Germany lead anything for the world, then they can open their mouths and criticize our imperfections. It is very much in our interests to conduct business with democracies. This is a recognized fact. But it is also a fact that the world is full of dictators and twisted regimes of which the whole world conducts business with.
When opportunity presents itself, those types of governments should be taken out. And this is exactly what has been happenining ever since the Berli Wall came down. The only obstacle continues to be Europe and the UN.
I don't claim that Europe has not wrecked Africa!
Europe wrecked the entire world for which America has been stuck managing. The wreckage is your responsibility. And with America dealing with its former dictator in Iraq and the Tali-Ban in Afghanistan, we are at least owning up to our responsibilities on our path to success.
The NEO Con believes in spreading American values and democracy as a form of long term defense. They started out as Democrats, recognized that the Liberal speach of the left was BS, and defected to Republican base because they liked Reagan. They did not like that Bush agreed with the UN to preserve Hussein's throne in 1991. They did not like the UN food for oil program. And they urged Clinton to attack Iraq in 1998. All over their ideals of what America's mission was supposed to be post Cold War.
The article says the contrary
There are many articles. The French supplied a naval presence with a few sea battles. The "War" was fought on land. And for this, France would later expect Americans to travel the ocean to bleed on french soil? This was perhaps the beginning of expecting Americans to give up far more than what was and is reciprocated.
Besides.....Boxer Rebellion, WWI, WWII, Cold War, embasies protecting business interests, Bosnia..... when is America supposed to get a favor returned? Afghanistan would have aided this, but we all saw and see that event.
That sentence is illogical. If you pay a debt to someone, then the debt is over, you don't expect your creditor to "reciprocate"
So the debt ended with WWI, even though we gave far more than they did in the American Revolutionary War? What about WWII, Cold War, Bosnia...? Just credit to never be returned? Of course! America is supposed to serve Europe's needs and to travel the course that tzars, kings, and kaisers paved.
It was China, because China sells weapons in this aera
Mmmm...no. It was Bush and Blair who forced the UN to take a glance towards Darfur. China was the one fitghing it. The rest of Europe merely stood around and did nothing. Even worse, European people used the slaughter in Darfur as a source of criticism when Americans pointed out that Iraqis were suffering under UN and European wants. But when the door to Darfur flew open, the European voices ceased to care about Darfur.
it's still about protecting self-interest only
And the confusion comes into play when people bicker over what the interest is. To do business with the dictator or to do business with a democracy? Well, the dictator eventually dies, but not before he has brutalized his people to the point where they hate everybody he had ties with. Perhaps doing business with democracies is the preferred method and is in our better interests.
European's think that their interests are better kept secure by ignoring the world until they have to react to it, no matter the cost.
No, because Hitler had an army, he was not a terrorist
Yet Europeans chose not to talk about Hitler as a threat because certainly he wouldn't dare break the rules of "soveriegnty" and such. Europeans have always had this habit of ignoring the threats until they have to react. France sold the continent out when the Ottoman's were terrorizing the country side. France saw a great threat in Germany and pretended that it would simply go away. They are doing the same today with Islamic terrorism even as immigration from these nations are exponentially growing and terrorist campaigns are plotted in your cities.
Always seeking to react rather than deter. Let's look at the piracy issue. America got its man back and will no doubt deal some wreckage to the Somalis over it. This will wind up serving the world's needs. But what will they have learned from America? The rest of the world could have done something a long time a go when their ships were being raided over the last few years, but it didn't. It chose to do nothing but react.
You see, you found the solution yourself: if someone gets education & a job, he doesn't turn into a terrorist/extremist! That's why it's useless to bomb foreign countries to stop terrorists!
With Europeans waiting for threats to knock on the door before they acknowldege them, I'm not suprised that you all still think that this is true. But with jobs being scarce on a regular basis in Europe and the religious laws undermining Islamic laws....you all have chosen to fight them in Paris and Berlin.
So, basically, be it about terrorists, pirates, sea-pollution or the extinction of Brazilian neotropical otter, it's always those haughty and ungrateful Europeans who are to be blamed, while super-America resolves the problem by bombing the **** outta them (and bears the whole burden of course), and that for the sake of democracy!
For the sake of "OUR" democracy. The rest of the world merely benefits. And it is a fact that this world continues to be wrecked via European, Middle Eastern, and Asian activity....
* North Korea launches rockets and China looks away. And the whole world looks to see what America is going to do about it.
* You all dump toxins and nuclear waste in Somali waters and the result is exponentially growing piracy where once men used to simply fish. And the whole world waits for America to have to get involved to either resolve or lead the way to resolve it.
* Genocides in Europe go unchecked while Europeans wait for American troops to cross the ocean. And all you all can do is criticize us for ignoring Africa as if you all were leading a charge.
If most Americans had it there way, we would keep the world at an arms length like we used to before we got sucked out into it. As long as we control the seas and can drop our military in multiple places in a day's time....we don;t need to be out there dealing with the world you all messed up. Like I keep saying, "The Cold War is over." WWII came in two parts. With the second part over with, protecting Europe is no longer our burden.
French. Seals. Killed. Pirates. 2 days ago.
And good for them. Now when will France lead the charge? Or will they be expecting America to do it now that we had to deal with our own piracy issue? Face it. Had the pirates not crossed the line on an American ship, you all would deal with your own piracy issues for years. If anything happens, it will be largely made up of American military power and technology with some individual nations lending a small hand just to be counted as a part of the "international" effort. One month of an American Naval force chasing down every boat they see with Marines and Navy Seals hitting specific targets in ports, and this would be a memory.
It's not because you pretend that America is always bearing the burden (and pretend that it's just for the sake of democracy) that it is the reality. You always talk about Afghanistan & Iraq but you never mention the French fighting in Ivory Coast (operation Licorn) or in Tchad (operation Epervier) or various countries involved in Lebanon
As for pirates in Somalia, what you say is not just ignorant, it's dishonest. Many countries are involved there, and the US operation (CTF-151) is a COPY of the European operation (Atalanta) which started a few weeks before
Les Américains mettent en place une force anti-pirates - bruxelles2 Europe de la Défense
Yet...nobody cares and no real results will be seen until America gets involved. It's the same every time. It's historical. You criticize us for getting into WWI late after not being able to fix your own problems. You criticize us for getting into Euorpe's side of WWII late after not being able to fix another one of your own problems and as if you were greatly involved in the Pacific for us. The only reason you don't criticize us for getting into Bosnia late is that up till then you were more than willing to simply watch the slaughter safely from behind a border. And here, we see a piracy issue that should have been dealt with long ago but America will be criticized for coming late to deal with your mess again.
Europeans just don't get it. We don't want to be the ones all the damn time to sweat and bleed because somebody else couldn't handle their issue. Or that we are supposed to come running everytime the American Bat Signal goes up over Europe. Or that we are supposed to beare the burden of this world, which means forever hated by at least haplf of this world at any given time. And we certainly don't want "friends" who leap at a chance to ridicule us while reserving the right to demand we show up and lead.
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