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I am disturbed by this fixation on what the rest of the world thinks.

who bloody cares? they're losers! :2razz:
 
emdash said:
I am disturbed by this fixation on what the rest of the world thinks.

who bloody cares? they're losers! :2razz:
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:roll:Man don't joke like that here, foreigners will actually take you seriously.
 
let me explain. when I read comments from the link such as this one from an Argentinian:


I am glad this person hates us and I wouldn't have it any other way, don't get me wrong, but at the same time I can't help but think about all the time I've just wasted reading his opinion. cry me a river, ya know?


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let's be sure to consult mandy and her friends before drafting foreign policy.
 
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emdash said:
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let's be sure to consult mandy and her friends before drafting foreign policy.
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That's especially hilarious because Australia, moreso than almost any country I know, desperately tries to copy American culture in pretty much every way. It's considered a rite of passage among a lot of youth to take a long trip to the US with their friends after high school.
 
These are the same people that have absolutely no problem silently sucking off our titties for mother's milk. They don't stop to think that while they are criticizing us and establishing permanent spots on the band wagon for themselves that America is largely finally starting to see them as the leeches and burdens they have always been to us.
 
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...The Australians? They may be the one country we never did much of anything for.
 
Edify_Always_In_All_Ways said:
...The Australians? They may be the one country we never did much of anything for.
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It is an English speaking nation. Our ties go back. But when I speak of "leeches" I am talking about all those who are affected simply by America moving right or left because they have attached themselves to our table with complete reservation to criticize and dictate to us their insignificant opinions.
 
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Ambracia said:
-- :lol:All I can do is laugh at the stupid **** posted there --
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It's probably the same lowlife who post idiot comments on videos on Youtube or news stories on news sites and other blogs around the net.
 
If you dont both love and hate America....... well I dont know what to say to you.....
 

the argentinian guy could have one legitimate reason not to love the USA: I think the CIA supported a right-wing dictatorship in this country 30 years ago

but the australian dude is quite ignorant. You see MTV-like people in every country
 
Real Talk said:
If you dont both love and hate America....... well I dont know what to say to you.....
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Give me a break. "Love" and "hate" are both strong words. How come there's no global theme of loving or hating France? Or loving and hating Belgium? Or loving or hating Japan? Hey, you either love or hate Italy right?

It is fashionable to focus in on America and to use America for everything it offers and for anything that goes wrong in this world (this is your love or hate America theme). We are the world's source of entertainment and we are the burdened. Everybody's all about mocking Americas for its lavish consumer culture, but when the consumers start backing off from the market and pocketing their money, the world criticizes America for nose diving the world's economies into a hole. They are all about America spending its treasure on the world as long as it is spent in accordance to their demands (or upon them). They are all about criticizing America's foriegn policies, but will jump at an opportunity to immigrate here to live the life given because of such foriegn policies.

What I don't get is how the whole world feels as if they matter enough to us to boast their complaints. We are more criticized than even the worst monsters or regimes on earth. And the reason is that non-Americans have their own ideas of what "America" is supposed to be and in most cases it is supposed to be centered around helping them. And when we don't do in accordance to their demands or seek a different path than their tsars, kaisers, and kings paved long ago, then we dissapoint them as if our duty is to them. And when we trip or stumble, the world laughs at our expense, because nothing is as satisfying to the failed than seeing those on top get muddy. Why do people like to see stars in Hollywood fall? Because they are successful. Especially a young one that rose too quickly for our tastes. America is the newcomer to the game. Yet, in short time took a position unheard of in history. And for this, our "friends" seek our failure.

This sense that people either have to "love" America or "hate" America is absurd and stupid. How about being indifferent? Like so many Americans are to them? Does it really matter to America if the French economy is wrecked? Does it matter to America if unemplotjment across Europe is consistently high year after year por decade after decade? No. Why then does it so greatly matter to them when we have to reasses our lavish lifestyles or see a temporary surge in unemployment? The answer is clear - they have attached themselves to our table and fashioned themselves a nice dry spot under our umbrella so deeply that anything and everthing we do affects them. They are no longer masters of their own destiny because so much of their lifestyles ride on the theme and condition of America. And this is why so many reserve the right to blast and criticize at will those who provide the umbrella while taking the hypocritical hits of the world.

The minute Americans stop caring about what they feel about us the happier Americans will be. There is a reason we were happiest with ourselves when the world was at an arms length and we lived an isolated life.
 
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We as Americans should not be afraid of criticism.
 
GySgt said:
How come there's no global theme of loving or hating France? Or loving and hating Belgium? Or loving or hating Japan? Hey, you either love or hate Italy right?
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I said love AND hate.
And for what its worth, I love and hate the European Union.
With a bit less love and a bit less hate.
****, I love and hate my own country.
Only way to be, imo.
Theres at least 2 sides to every coin.
Power brings out the best and the worst in humanity.
If youve got much of an awareness of politics, you should recognise that.
 
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GySgt said:
Give me a break. "Love" and "hate" are both strong words. How come there's no global theme of loving or hating France? Or loving and hating Belgium? Or loving or hating Japan? Hey, you either love or hate Italy right?
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Maybe the reason is that contrary to those countries, the USA is a superpower?


You may be right about the fashionable & culture things (especially in non Western states) but I believe the current crisis has started in the USA because of the subprimes

They are all about criticizing America's foriegn policies, but will jump at an opportunity to immigrate here to live the life given because of such foriegn policies.
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I would not do that, and so would most of my countrymen
What I don't get is how the whole world feels as if they matter enough to us to boast their complaints.
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You would not be answering if you didn't matter!

We are more criticized than even the worst monsters or regimes on earth. And the reason is that non-Americans have their own ideas of what "America" is supposed to be and in most cases it is supposed to be centered around helping them.
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That goes both ways: have you seen how Rumsfeld did react when France & Germany told him to go to Iraq alone?




Yes it does, because France is an economic partner. That's why there was the Marshall plan after WWII! It's in the interest of the USA to have wealthy partners.


What does that mean?

The minute Americans stop caring about what they feel about us the happier Americans will be. There is a reason we were happiest with ourselves when the world was at an arms length and we lived an isolated life
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So why are you angry when France asks you to do so (= not invade Iraq)?
 

I've never seen a coin with more than two sides.
 
depends how u look at it.
How many sides to a circle?
 
They do copy your culture certainly and it is depressing, they should be proud of their own culture, but I'm not sure it is a rite of passage to go to the US at least not in the Northern beaches of Sydney. My mates went to Europe, who went travelling.
 
A lot of people in the West, or at least Britain and Australia, don't like the US because of the anti-US message spread by a lot of the liberal media. You know the idea that they are(oh my god!) religious, conservative, small-gov't, patriotic etc. It really took off under Bush because the media hated him and they attacked McCain and Palin a lot too and these views are common among many everyday Aussies and Brits mostly because of this.

I like America a lot personally, as I do a lot of European nations. It has its problems as the Europeans do but they are all great peoples.
 
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Just got to say. THE EU IS NOT A COUNTRY!!!!
 

I don't consider it a bad thing that they copy us (your country too). Despite the fact were all our own countries (England, the United States, Canada, New Zealand and Australia) we share one culture and if its particularly littered with U.S films, music, businesses its just because of our size. As for both ways ..... well I'm an ACDC fan and can tolerate a mel gibson movie at times.
 
I consider it bad for England beyond a certain point. I'm fiercely protective of our ancient culture, traditions and institutions.
 
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