Louisiana Lawmaker Forced to Clarify There Was No ‘Good’ in Slavery

[Paradoxical]

I have a question. Lets say I created a law.. that said that you need certain ID to vote. I had research that showed that republicans tended to have a certain type of photographic ID.
I had research that showed that Democrats tended to have another type of photographic ID..

So when I designed the law.. I made sure that the ID that democrats tended to have.. was allowed.
And the id that republicans had was NOT allowed.

Would you see a problem with that law?

This is silly and didn’t happen.

 

[Paradoxical]

Despite the fact that I cannot relate to her politics, nor her mentor Marcuse, I have a lot of admiration for Angela Davis.



From a documentary called The Black Power Mixtape. Worth watching to understand that time.

Go figure.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Go figure.

What is to be figured?

 

[uptower]

Christ, ard we still disputing whether slavery was 'good'?

 

[Paradoxical]

What is to be figured?

She's a Communist.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

She's a Communist.

That is certainly one aspect of her.

 

[Paradoxical]

That is certainly one aspect of her.

It's enough for me to know. I have no desire to delve into her head.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

It's enough for me to know. I have no desire to delve into her head.

Your perspective is strange to me. In order to understand what is happening around us today, all of that has to be understood. I mean the whole era.

The Black Power Mixtape documentary documents the essential and determining period of uprising, and the foundations of the attack, going on today, against white culture and *whiteness*.

 

[Paradoxical]

Your perspective is strange to me. In order to understand what is happening around us today, all of that has to be understood. I mean the whole era.

The Black Power Mixtape documentary documents the essential and determining period of uprising, and the foundations of the attack, going on today, against white culture and *whiteness*.

I was alive when she was causing mayhem. She is responsible for the racial division in the world today. She is a Communist ruining America is all.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

I was alive when she was causing mayhem. She is responsible for the racial division in the world today. She is a Communist ruining America is all.

Your analysis is not complete enough. It is not Angela Davis that is responsible for the divisions in America today, they have arisen because of the nature of America and because of the American project of mixing disparate people together -- tossing them all together into a mix.

What idiot came up with that plan?

It seems to me shallow to say that she or anyone particularly is responsible, as if it could all have been avoided.

What has happened is that, in a significant and obvious sense, America has lost its nerve. America suffers an internal crisis of identity. What is it? Whose definition prevails? There is a whole range of factors and *causation* that needs to be taken into consideration. If we had the fortitide (it would require fortitude) we could create a list.

I have regularly made the assertion -- it is likely you have heard this -- that *demography is destiny*. Presently -- you can get this directly from Mr Fight the Power whose entire shtick is based in this! -- the *internal colonies*, to use the terms that those Marxists employed, are consolidating their political power. The Democratic Party has read the writing on the wall and along with Big Business recognizes that what America is, in truth, is a market that must be captured and catered to. The Republic of the United States of America? Who believes this? It is something else entirely. But it has a hard time seeing itself.

And business pursues the most tangible of tangible objectives -- making money and securing future gains.

It is very hard to say *what is ruining America* -- you imply that if the one ruining it would simply stop that things would return to normal. That does not seem right.

There is really a great deal more that can -- and should -- be said on this interesting topic. But it involves *clear seeing* about what is really going on, which seems so difficult to enunciate and get clear about.

 

[Master Debator]

What has happened is that, in a significant and obvious sense, America has lost its nerve. America suffers an internal crisis of identity. What is it? Whose definition prevails? There is a whole range of factors and *causation* that needs to be taken into consideration. If we had the fortitide (it would require fortitude) we could create a list.

Is that all you have the fortitide for? List making?

I have regularly made the assertion -- it is likely you have heard this -- that *demography is destiny*. Presently -- you can get this directly from Mr Fight the Power whose entire shtick is based in this! -- the *internal colonies*, to use the terms that those Marxists employed, are consolidating their political power.

While you're making lists...

The Democratic Party has read the writing on the wall and along with Big Business recognizes that what America is, in truth, is a market that must be captured and catered to. The Republic of the United States of America? Who believes this? It is something else entirely. But it has a hard time seeing itself.

Yep, the big money has already told you who they think is going to emerge victorious.

And business pursues the most tangible of tangible objectives -- making money and securing future gains.

On the other side of that, of us securing patronage from the wealthy elite, is your side being starved more and more for resources. You can't wage war without money and resources. Not an effective one anyway.

It is very hard to say *what is ruining America* -- you imply that if the one ruining it would simply stop that things would return to normal. That does not seem right.

Are these changes ruining America? Maybe to mutants and racists I suppose. These changes though are what the majority are advocating for.

There is really a great deal more that can -- and should -- be said on this interesting topic. But it involves *clear seeing* about what is really going on, which seems so difficult to enunciate and get clear about.

What's so hard to see about your eventual extinction as a people and a culture? You have no path to victory, not even a violent one. But you don't even have the fortitude for that. So instead you will lose bit by bit at first and then all at once when demography and momentum catch up to you.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Some quotes of Lothrop Stoddard -- a very very evil man!

“A better reading of history must bring home the truth that the basic factor in human affairs is not politics, but race.”

“The heart of the white world was divided against itself, and on the fateful 1st of August, 1914, the white race, forgetting ties of blood and culture, heedless of the growing pressure of the colored world without, locked in a battle to the death.”

“The Great War was from the first the White Civil War."

“The world-wide struggle between the primary races of mankind—the ‘conflict of color,’ as it has been happily termed—bids fair to be the fundamental problem of the twentieth century, and great communities like the United States of America, the South African Confederation, and Australasia”

“This generalized anti-white feeling has, during the past decade, taken tangible form in South Africa. The white population of the Union, though numbering 1,500,000, is surrounded by a black population four times as great and increasing more rapidly, while in many sections the whites are outnumbered ten to one.

"The result is a state of affairs exactly paralleling conditions in our own South, the South African whites feeling obliged to protect their ascendancy by elaborate legal regulations and social taboos. The negroes have been rapidly growing more restive under these discriminations, and unpleasant episodes like race-riots, rapings, and lynchings are increasing in South Africa from year to year."

Franz Boas writing of Lothrop Stoddards books:

"Lothrop Stoddard evokes a new peril, that of an eventual submersion beneath vast waves of yellow men, brown men, black men and red men, whom the Nordics have hitherto dominated . . . with Bolshevism menacing us on the one hand and race extinction through warfare on the other, many people are not unlikely to give [Stoddard’s book] respectful consideration."

President Warren D. Harding as well said:

Whoever will take the time to read and ponder Mr. Lothrop Stoddard’s book on “The Rising Tide of Color” . . . must realize that our race problem here in the United States is only a phase of a race issue that the whole world confronts.

What most interests me is in two things. One is that people, generally, cannot see the truth and cannot tell the truth. (Except oddly enough Mr Fight the Power who says it all quite plainly and directly.) Try to imagine anyone with social standing today coming out and saying what Stoddard said so clearly: "A better reading of history must bring home the truth that the basic factor in human affairs is not politics, but race."

Though it appears to be true, it is a thought, an idea, that is absolutely forbidden. So when you examine so-called conservatives they especially seem unable to see the real facts and they certainly cannot state them with directness. Things become *indirect* and *sideways*.

The other interesting factor is the collaboration of the American Caucasian-European demographic. They have to have *agreed* to their dispossession through the force of a moral argument. That it is wrong to 'self-preserve' that it is wrong to 'self-protect'. If you have such an idea the full force of *the system* is brought to bear against you.

Now the other thing is this: the writing is on the wall (to use the Biblical metaphor).

 

[Alizia Tyler]

[cont. from previous]

Those colored masses of America's internal colonies are advocating for the socialized systems that we see forming. The root animus of resistance to America generally, the root-culture that is most locked into advocacy and activism, is the former slave population. On a smaller scale what is happening today mirrors what happened in South Africa and of course one must consider the general decay that is fully in evidence there.

The installation of the advocated socialized systems leads to the creation of 'dependent populations' -- never an American ideal. But it is exactly this strategy that is being pursued directly in front of our eyes. The events of the pandemic certainly did not hurt this socialization process. Then, there is all this advocacy around "global warming'. Both the pandemic global warming are employed as *alarms* so to be able to institute larger, world-level social and political control programs.

But in the background, but then it is not so backgrounded anymore, the present government regime is using the national political police to track not only extremists but generally those who they see as potentially non-cooperative with the 'program' they have established.

Curiously, this is all in contrast to whatever it is that Donald Trump seemed to have been working toward: the restrengthening of America at an industrial level; the confrontation of shadow-elites or so-called *deep-state elites* with their plans and objectives that dove-tail with a world scheme. And so it became imperative to get rid of that fellow.

So, to clarify, my efforts are simply in trying to see clearly what is going on and in that process to examine the causal chain that has led to the present. Is this analysis wrong? Am I seeing correctly or incorrectly? I am aware of the tremendous opposition that any given one gets when they speak an unpleasant truth.

 

[Paradoxical]

Your analysis is not complete enough. It is not Angela Davis that is responsible for the divisions in America today, they have arisen because of the nature of America and because of the American project of mixing disparate people together -- tossing them all together into a mix.

What idiot came up with that plan?

It seems to me shallow to say that she or anyone particularly is responsible, as if it could all have been avoided.

What has happened is that, in a significant and obvious sense, America has lost its nerve. America suffers an internal crisis of identity. What is it? Whose definition prevails? There is a whole range of factors and *causation* that needs to be taken into consideration. If we had the fortitide (it would require fortitude) we could create a list.

I have regularly made the assertion -- it is likely you have heard this -- that *demography is destiny*. Presently -- you can get this directly from Mr Fight the Power whose entire shtick is based in this! -- the *internal colonies*, to use the terms that those Marxists employed, are consolidating their political power. The Democratic Party has read the writing on the wall and along with Big Business recognizes that what America is, in truth, is a market that must be captured and catered to. The Republic of the United States of America? Who believes this? It is something else entirely. But it has a hard time seeing itself.

And business pursues the most tangible of tangible objectives -- making money and securing future gains.

It is very hard to say *what is ruining America* -- you imply that if the one ruining it would simply stop that things would return to normal. That does not seem right.

There is really a great deal more that can -- and should -- be said on this interesting topic. But it involves *clear seeing* about what is really going on, which seems so difficult to enunciate and get clear about.

Humans are not basically good. They are evil, cunning, ruthless and greedy. We have to constantly fight to suppress these traits. We see now the Democrat party on full totalitarian mode with pelosi running the show. They are in cahoots with MSM, Twitter and FB along with corporations to ruin America as we know it.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

On the other side of that, of us securing patronage from the wealthy elite, is your side being starved more and more for resources. You can't wage war without money and resources. Not an effective one anyway.

It is not so much having secured patronage, it is more it seems to me that on a world-scale there is a 'larger plan'. I cannot say that this is exactly 'communistic' but then it does represent a general cooperation between extremely large governing forces in *collusion* (cooperation) with the vast industries which, as is always the case I guess, stand behind the various social governments.

But I think that what you are saying, what you are aware of, is true: whatever is going on has a great deal to do with behind the scenes power-struggles. I do not fully understand these struggles and I am not sure who does, yet they are real. They are national, international and global.

So it seems fair and accurate to say a larger, global system is being *installed* or perhaps *implemented*. One hears this term all the time: globalism, and global elites (Davos, etc.) but the question I ask is: Is it true? It is said to be 'conspiracy theory', and certainly there are strange conspiracy theories and conspiratorial thinking (a sort of exaggeration or embellishment projected into events that are not fully understood) but surely there must be a way to understand and to state the *real truth*.

Are these changes ruining America? Maybe to mutants and racists I suppose. These changes though are what the majority are advocating for.

Oh I definitely understand what you are getting at, Mr Fight the Powers That Be. But I tend to believe that what people *advocate* for is not necessarily something that arises organically within the masses. What I imply is that what is being *advocated* has links to the mechanisms of social control -- PR and propaganda essentially. And one has to examine the 'structure of power' to see who and what has the sort of control over the mechanisms of dissemination of information -- and then, if you will, pull back the curtain to see what is there.

I recognize that the worried declaration, as with Fitzgerald in The Great Gatsby:

"Have you read The Rise of the Colored Empires by this man Goddard? ... Well, it's a fine book, and everybody ought to read it. The idea is if we don't look out the white race will be -- will be utterly submerged. It's all scientific stuff; it's been proved."​

... is generally panned and ridiculed. But I have to say that I do not see *progress* and *ascent* going on around me, speaking generally, as I see every day more and more evidence of decline. The last time I was up in the States I was appalled by what I saw on the streets. This is not the beginning of a great Social Unity with attendant projects. It is really something else.

But doesn't this hinge on this issue that what we see, what we see right in front of us, is distorted by our unwillingness to really see? Thus I return, time and again, to my core statement: We refuse to see the truth and to state the truth. We employ lies and deceptions to trick ourselves.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Humans are not basically good. They are evil, cunning, ruthless and greedy. We have to constantly fight to suppress these traits. We see now the Democrat party on full totalitarian mode with Pelosi running the show. They are in cahoots with MSM, Twitter and FB along with corporations to ruin America as we know it.

I like *declarative statements*. Those attempts to define what is, to explain it and state it in direct unambiguous terms.

Is that all?

 

[Paradoxical]

I like *declarative statements*. Those attempts to define what is, to explain it and state it in direct unambiguous terms.

Is that all?

Some of my posts get overly long and people don't read posts that are too long. They tune out or just skim through it at best. The short answer to your question "Is that all?" is that there is much more, but posting it here would be of no use. This particular site is literally filled not with just liberals but far leftists and Communists and outright socialists. It's like trying to convince a Mormon that Jesus is not really waiting for them on another planet or that Joseph Smith was a known huckster. Everything you say and I say falls on deaf ears.

So, no. That is not all I have to say. The world as we knew it just 10 years ago has drastically changed As we have seen from Master Debater, this is what the left wants. They want what Angela Davis is....a Communist. They want to be controlled by a powerful central government that they imagine will be benevolent. They see China as that government, which is why the Democrats in power, nor any single left-wing poster here, ever criticizes China. Like it or not, humans are where we are because of evolution and the need to survive. Conservatives have lost the narrative. The left-wing has taken over the school system. Young humans are being indoctrinated into a belief that blacks are where they are not because of their culture but because whitey is the problem. They want to achieve equality not through education, hard work, and personal responsibility but by taking from the achievers. They are winning the battle of ideas. The result WILL be the destruction of America and then the world. There is no turning back now.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

In 2009 The Atlantic ran this article titled The End of White America?

The lead paragraph:

The election of Barack Obama is just the most startling manifestation of a larger trend: the gradual erosion of “whiteness” as the touchstone of what it means to be American. If the end of white America is a cultural and demographic inevitability, what will the new mainstream look like—and how will white Americans fit into it? What will it mean to be white when whiteness is no longer the norm? And will a post-white America be less racially divided—or more so?​

​

In that article President Bill Clinton is quoted from a speech he gave:

"Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in Hawaii or Houston or New York City. Within five years, there will be no majority race in our largest state, California. In a little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States. No other nation in history has gone through demographic change of this magnitude in so short a time ... [These immigrants] are energizing our culture and broadening our vision of the world. They are renewing our most basic values and reminding us all of what it truly means to be American."​

​

Further questions asked in the cited article:

Not everyone was so enthused. Clinton’s remarks caught the attention of another anxious Buchanan—Pat Buchanan, the conservative thinker. Revisiting the president’s speech in his 2001 book, The Death of the West, Buchanan wrote: “Mr. Clinton assured us that it will be a better America when we are all minorities and realize true ‘diversity.’ Well, those students [at Portland State] are going to find out, for they will spend their golden years in a Third World America.”​

​

Today, the arrival of what Buchanan derided as “Third World America” is all but inevitable. What will the new mainstream of America look like, and what ideas or values might it rally around? What will it mean to be white after “whiteness” no longer defines the mainstream? Will anyone mourn the end of white America? Will anyone try to preserve it?​

 

[Paradoxical]

In 2009 The Atlantic ran this article titled The End of White America?

The lead paragraph:

The election of Barack Obama is just the most startling manifestation of a larger trend: the gradual erosion of “whiteness” as the touchstone of what it means to be American. If the end of white America is a cultural and demographic inevitability, what will the new mainstream look like—and how will white Americans fit into it? What will it mean to be white when whiteness is no longer the norm? And will a post-white America be less racially divided—or more so?​

​

In that article President Bill Clinton is quoted from a speech he gave:

"Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in Hawaii or Houston or New York City. Within five years, there will be no majority race in our largest state, California. In a little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States. No other nation in history has gone through demographic change of this magnitude in so short a time ... [These immigrants] are energizing our culture and broadening our vision of the world. They are renewing our most basic values and reminding us all of what it truly means to be American."​

​

Further questions asked in the cited article:

Not everyone was so enthused. Clinton’s remarks caught the attention of another anxious Buchanan—Pat Buchanan, the conservative thinker. Revisiting the president’s speech in his 2001 book, The Death of the West, Buchanan wrote: “Mr. Clinton assured us that it will be a better America when we are all minorities and realize true ‘diversity.’ Well, those students [at Portland State] are going to find out, for they will spend their golden years in a Third World America.”​

​

Today, the arrival of what Buchanan derided as “Third World America” is all but inevitable. What will the new mainstream of America look like, and what ideas or values might it rally around? What will it mean to be white after “whiteness” no longer defines the mainstream? Will anyone mourn the end of white America? Will anyone try to preserve it?​

I agree with what your post implies and this is really what the left wants. They have had "equality" and "fairness" drilled into their heads now for the past 5 decades. They imagine that white people get all the breaks and all the luck and minorities are there because of being oppressed by white people. If anyone disagrees with that and says minorities are there because of their culture that teaches racism and resentment you are shouted down as a racist. Leftism has adopted almost all of the Christian playbook on how to gain and keep converts. Christians first promote love of all by their imaginary God, which implies that all of us are the same and equal in God's eye and he loves us all and just wants us to believe. They teach that through prayer you can get this God of theirs to grant you favors. In that storyline, Christians do NOT preach that getting where and what you want is up to you. They teach that the Lord provides. These teachings are highly dangerous and wrong. What do they teach for the nonbelievers? You go to hell to be tortured eternally and if you don't believe you are bad and selfish and don't care for your fellow man because you should give what you have to others. The tribe denigrates and insults nonbelievers as heathens and sinners.

I want someone here to tell me how these indoctrination techniques have not been adopted by the left.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Like it or not, humans are where we are because of evolution and the need to survive. Conservatives have lost the narrative. The left-wing has taken over the school system. Young humans are being indoctrinated into a belief that blacks are where they are not because of their culture but because whitey is the problem. They want to achieve equality not through education, hard work, and personal responsibility but by taking from the achievers. They are winning the battle of ideas. The result WILL be the destruction of America and then the world. There is no turning back now.

A couple of notes -- and keep in mind that this thread has a loooooonnngggg history so far. Many things were mentioned in the early pages of it.

Many Conservatives, most Conservatives, have abandoned the field. This true. This goes back I think (or can be illustrated nicely) by reference to WF Buckley's debate with James Baldwin. In 'the court of public opinion' Buckley lost. And here the ascent of the Progressive American narrative that defined the 1960s began. I make the suggestion that it has a base less in idea and more in sentiment. But those are strong sentiments.



I have a somewhat different view of Black culture, the Black demographic in America, and the *core problem*, but it is not one that is received well because it tends to clang against our sensibilities. African American culture is essentially non-compatable with the culture that originally established the nation America. It is not a question of *wrong* or *bad* it is a question and problem that arises in the relatively simple fact that the African American's very presence within this system was brought about by force. The participation in this American Project was never assented to. And at a fundamental level, it is resisted.

It is all quite reasonable really. Any people forced to conform and adapt, as prisoners essentially, into a system not their own will react against this subjugation. Even if *cooperation* is exhibited on the surface, there is a level, a sub-somatic level, where opposition and extreme and violent anger lives. But it is unrealistic to expect that *they* (to speak rather grossly) will ever 'get over' this anger.

No, the memory remains, and it is not so much rational and mental as it is subconscious and physical. Revenge -- that human, all too human need -- must be enacted. You have to do somewhat equal harm to those that did harm, or are perceived as having done harm, that you have suffered. It is a rule of human life I think.

The uprisings in the present follow a familiar paradigm. It is always the same thing. But now the differences are palpable. The stage has been set at a demographic level (and is being exploited) for the ascendency of a power-grouping that can and will solidify its power in the United States. That power structure is governmental and corporate.

Where I disagree is with this statement: "Young humans are being indoctrinated into a belief that blacks are where they are not because of their culture but because whitey is the problem".

Let's state the truth: African Americans are *where they are* because of the colonial project of Whites. That is, they were ripped out of their context and forced to labor in fields not their own. The more that this idea is concretized in them (as awareness) the more a sense of justifiable rebellion is also cemented. But this is all 'normal' really. Quite literally, African Americans are still expected to adapt to the current of history that brought them here. What is the alternative? So, African Americans live within an awareness of a forced context. They could never, not while maintaining dignity, accept this and adapt to it. So the need arises to *assert power* in projects of self-definition. It does not matter if that self-definition has destructive consequences, which it may, because it is always better to be making one's own choices rather than having those choices made by others or by *historical processes*.

In this sense it is not so much *whitey* who is the problem -- I mean any specific person or an agglomeration of persons -- but the entire System of America. All its symbols, all its history, is filled with hypocrisies that are glaringly obvious -- to those who were forced to perform in it.

So, they must be torn down.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Is that all you have the fortitide for? List making?

How am I doing so far, Mr Fight the Power? Am I 'speaking the truth' or am I 'wrapped up in white wing lies'?

How do you see it?

 

[Alizia Tyler]

This particular site is literally filled not with just liberals but far leftists and Communists and outright socialists.

This definitely seems to be so.

 

[Paradoxical]

This definitely seems to be so.

This is not just true here but in society in general today. the left has won the game of indoctrination and they don't realize it. That Biden has an approval rating of around 50% is chilling. People in the United States have now accepted huge governmental controls through the use of fear, guilt, intimidation, self-loathing, and not wanting to be accused of being a racist. They have accepted the slurs and vitriol hurled at them through MSM and the Democrats in power and don't respond in kind because they are afraid. Black people and their supporters want that. they are angry and being taught that slavery and Jim Crow is the reason they are not successful and that they are entitled to what others have without working for it. This is why blacks walk out of stores now with armfuls of merchandise, beat up Asians, and call white people terrorists. This is why the Dems are having the hearings. They WANT people to hate white people and think that we are filled with white people who are violent when all statistics show it is just the opposite.

This is why Soros is spending millions to have left-wing District attorneys and judges so they can not prosecute crimes in the inner cities and then say they reduced crime.

 

[jaeger19]

This is silly and didn’t happen.

Sure.. just like you don;t think covid happened.

I love your intellectual disconnects. So on one hand you believe that politicians are trying to control you by mask wearing, and emasculating you. That the whole covid deal is about control and fear.

but then you cannot wrap your head around those same politicians.. writing an ID law with the intent to accept those ID's that their constituents hold.. while not accepting the ID's of those that tend to vote for their political opponents?

THATS what's silly on your part.

The facts are that democrats have been against voter ID laws because often those laws have been done to deny photo ID's that their constituents are more likely to have, for example college/student photo ID.
While only accepting those that republican voters often have.. like drivers licenses.

Its NOT because democrats think " black people are too stupid to get ID".

You need to keep quiet and embarrass yourself less.

 

[Ouroboros]

Well that explains it and also proves my earlier point. Thanks

It was explained to you, but clearly even the simplest things are way over your head.

"There’s no explaining wit to those who have not the gift."

Yep, predictable like most Mad Libs. Although I didn’t predict you using the exact same reversal twice. I guess I can never anticipate the depths of lameness to which Mad Libs will descend in their futile attempts to be clever.

You just keep lying on the ground (in both senses of the word “lying”) and moo every once in a while; maybe someone will come along and pick you up.