Louisiana Lawmaker Forced to Clarify There Was No ‘Good’ in Slavery

[jaeger19]

Then by that argument there is no culture for any other racial/ethnic/ “clinist” group either. Is that the argument you are making? And to what in-groups does the word “culture” apply in your universe?

I’m not expecting consistency from you given your earlier BS statements on culture, or your BS excuse for attaching an ethnic stereotype to a profession.

Nope.. not true. I have a culture. It's just not the same one that every other white person in America .
Just like not every black person shares the exact same culture..
Or every Asian shares the exact same culture with all other Asians.
And in no way did I attach an ethnic steretype..
Anymore than a Montana ranchers is an ethnic stereotype.
You love to just make up crap as you go along.

 

[jaeger19]

Translation;

You cut through the things you don’t comprehend until you find something you can latch onto as a supposed moral failing.

Nope.. I just cut through all your bs.
SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.
1. Show me the evidence that because I am white you can tell me my culture and how it's identical with all other white people's.
2. Show me the evidence of CRT Causing psychological harm to children

3. Show me the evidence of CRT being actually applied or used by any entity

By the way..I don't believe in this entire discussion dud I mention anything about " moral failing".
The only fail I mention is the failure of you and alizia to provide any valid eviidence for your assertions.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

And what planet do you live on, where real physical injuries are worse than the threat to injure?

Ah, I should have expected! Nice to meet a denizen of Bizarro World.

Give my regards to Earth-2.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

to wear out opponents with a faux Socratic approach.

Nifty way to put it! It’s exactly right: pseudo-questions not to discover truth but to block the possibility of defining it.

 

[Ouroboros]

Nope.. not true. I have a culture. It's just not the same one that every other white person in America .
Just like not every black person shares the exact same culture..
Or every Asian shares the exact same culture with all other Asians.
And in no way did I attach an ethnic steretype..
Anymore than a Montana ranchers is an ethnic stereotype.
You love to just make up crap as you go along.

Yep, you went back to the old “culture is only my own personal experience” claptrap.

FYI, it’s yet another of your many straw men to claim that everyone within a given ethnicity MUST share precisely the same attitudes and affiliations. The idea is that a significant majority do share many similar attitudes and affiliations, many of which, as Tyler said, stem not from actual racial proclivities but from having come from cultures with overlapping belief systems.

A job, like a rancher or a stockbroker, is not an ethnic stereotype. You might find a few ranchers in New York State but Montana is better known for them for reasons of environment. Same thing for stockbrokers, who may be able to get work in Montana but aren’t going to have access to the best resources.

 

[Ouroboros]

Nope.. I just cut through all your bs.
SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.
1. Show me the evidence that because I am white you can tell me my culture and how it's identical with all other white people's.
2. Show me the evidence of CRT Causing psychological harm to children

3. Show me the evidence of CRT being actually applied or used by any entity

By the way..I don't believe in this entire discussion dud I mention anything about " moral failing".
The only fail I mention is the failure of you and alizia to provide any valid eviidence for your assertions.

You’ve accepted Derick Bell’s claim of systemic racism with no solid evidence, so that proves that your concept of evidence is merely whatever you want it to be.

Thomas Sowell has been mentioned many times on this thread. He probably doesn’t give you the kind of “evidence” you claim to want, but you’ll let someone like Bell or Hannah-Jones skate on by just because they make unprovable proclamations with which you already agree.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

1. Show me the evidence that because I am white you can tell me my culture and how it's identical with all other white people's.

First, I have no doubt that I can present the evidence, yet I doubt that you can receive the evidence. The problem is there and no where else. I will reduce this to the most simple. To understand Indo-European Culture, all of the cultures and nations of Europe and in what they were constructed on (or through), and thus to identify what is the essence of (your term) *white culture*, one need only turn the the Greeks. I suggest The Legacy of Greece (Oxford 1921) edited by RW Livingstone.

What came out of Greece, and very especially when the Hebrew world met the Greek world through Paul's missionary work there, is Greco-Christian Culture. And it is the foundation of all Occidental cultures. Insofar as those cultures are European, and are White-Caucasian, there is a *white culture* though this is an incomplete term.

Religion / Philosophy / Mathematics & Astronomy / Natural Science / Biology / Medicine / Literature / History Political Thought / Art / Architecture

In each of these categories the foundation in Occidental culture lies. In each of these categories everything that you can name as accomplishment resides. I say of course Occidental accomplishment and attainment which does not negate that other cultures recognize these categories. However, what the Occident did in each of these categories defines the substructure and the over-structure of what we are.

Now, why do you not know this? It is called, plainly & simply, ignorance -- verging in to nescience.

You have lost a sound connection with your own foundations. How did this come about? Well, that is always the question that skulks in the background, isn't it?

2. Show me the evidence of CRT Causing psychological harm to children.

If you were to apply CRT to a kindergarten or first-grade class of mixed children and were to put a label on each of them, you would write African American, Latino, Chinese, Japanese and then European on the label you'd affix to them, would you not? But, on the label of the white child you'd have to write in parentheses *Racist Oppressor* if you were to follow through with ideology latent CRT. The teacher of that class would have to explain each *oppression* of each child, but the white child would be described as the author of oppression and, here is a small detail, the author and maintainer of the *system of oppression* itself.

All the children would receive this as *teaching* and as truth, and they would see and relate to that white child as the author of evil.

Now, ask yourself if this would produce any psychological harm to that child. And there you have your answer.

3. Show me the evidence of CRT being actually applied or used by any entity.

1) Moderator Chris Wallace asked President Trump during last week’s debate why he “directed federal agencies to end racial-sensitivity training that addresses white privilege or critical race theory.” Mr. Trump answered: “I ended it because it’s racist.” Participants “were asked to do things that were absolutely insane,” he explained. “They were teaching people to hate our country.”​

​

The examples are instructive. At a series of events at the Treasury Department and federal financial agencies, diversity trainer Howard Ross taught employees that America was “built on the backs of people who were enslaved” and that all white Americans are complicit in a system of white supremacy “by automatic response to the ways we’re taught.”​

​

In accompanying documents, Mr. Ross argues that whites share an inborn oppressive streak. “Whiteness,” employees are told, “includes white privilege and white supremacy.” Consequently, whites “struggle to own their racism.” He instructs managers to conduct “listening sessions” in which black employees can speak about their experience and be “seen in their pain,” while white employees are instructed to “sit in the discomfort” and not “fill the silence with your own thoughts and feelings.” Members of “the group you’re allying with,” Mr. Ross says, are not “obligated to like you, thank you, feel sorry for you, or forgive you.” For training like this, Mr. Ross and his firm have been paid $5 million over 15 years, according to federal disclosures.​

​

​

 

[Alizia Tyler]

[cont. from previous]

​

2) President Joe Biden has doubled down on his promises to expand the diversity and equity of the federal workforce, even as political uproar around critical race theory nearly derailed the Senate confirmation of his choice for Office of Personnel Management director.​

​

Biden signed an executive order on “Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility in the Federal Workforce” on June 25, charging the heads of federal agencies, the directors of OPM and the Office of Management and Budget, and the chair of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission with developing policies and practices to expand diversity and inclusion of the federal workplace.​

​

“As the nation’s largest employer, the federal government must be a model for diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility, where all employees are treated with dignity and respect. Accordingly, the federal government must strengthen its ability to recruit, hire, develop, promote and retain our nation’s talent and remove barriers to equal opportunity. It must also provide resources and opportunities to strengthen and advance diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility across the federal government,” Biden wrote.​

​

3) One of the great challenges that brands face today is to implement inclusion policies and eradicate sexist, elitist and racist practices, both in their internal operation and in the image they project. For this reason, Coca-Cola believed it was convenient for its workers to participate in an anti-racism course to learn to be “less white”.​

​

The seminar entitled 'Facing Racism' , given by Robin DiAngelo , was presented through LinkedIn Education publicly, although not free of charge. The company admitted that, in effect, it invited its workers to take the course, but they clarify that it was not mandatory.​

[ @jaeger19 ]

So, no thanks will I get. That is why I am awarding myself:

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Dear @jaeger19 :

Say something really really stooooooooooooopid here.

I have vaccinated myself against nearly every known form!

Fear not you will affect me!

Let loose!

 

[jaeger19]

Yep, you went back to the old “culture is only my own personal experience” claptrap.

FYI, it’s yet another of your many straw men to claim that everyone within a given ethnicity MUST share precisely the same attitudes and affiliations. The idea is that a significant majority do share many similar attitudes and affiliations, many of which, as Tyler said, stem not from actual racial proclivities but from having come from cultures with overlapping belief systems.

A job, like a rancher or a stockbroker, is not an ethnic stereotype. You might find a few ranchers in New York State but Montana is better known for them for reasons of environment. Same thing for stockbrokers, who may be able to get work in Montana but aren’t going to have access to the best resources.

Nope.. I never ever ever said.. that culture was "my own personal experience". Stop making crap up.

The idea is that a significant majority do share many similar attitudes and affiliations, many of which, as Tyler said, stem not from actual racial proclivities but from having come from cultures with overlapping belief systems.

Wait.. "come from cultures"...? Um.. that means that they come from different cultures. Otherwise they would share the SAME culture.
You guys love making this stuff up as you go along. Whenever you are asked to define something.. or explain or provide evidence of your assertions.. off you go on another strawman or tangent.

Thats right.. a job is not an ethnic stereotype. SO.. why do you accuse me of using an ethnic stereotype when I mentioned Jewish stockbroker? You just make crap up.

 

[jaeger19]

You’ve accepted Derick Bell’s claim of systemic racism with no solid evidence, so that proves that your concept of evidence is merely whatever you want it to be.

Thomas Sowell has been mentioned many times on this thread. He probably doesn’t give you the kind of “evidence” you claim to want, but you’ll let someone like Bell or Hannah-Jones skate on by just because they make unprovable proclamations with which you already agree.

Nope.. I did not "accept Derrick Bells claim of systemic racism with no solid evidence".. Yet another of your mammoth lies.

I have REPEATEDLY.. on this website and on multiple forums... provided STUDIES.. actually RESEARCH.. that showed institutional racism in police interactions, banking, mortgage lending, Justice system, and in education. MULTIPLE STUDIES.
Here is an example:

Significant findings from Shoub’s and her colleagues’ analysis of the North Carolina dataset include:

• Blacks were 63 percent more likely to be stopped even though, as a whole, they drive 16 percent less. Taking into account less time on the road, blacks were about 95 percent more likely to be stopped.
• Blacks were 115 percent more likely than whites to be searched in a traffic stop (5.05 percent for blacks, 2.35 percent for whites).
• Contraband was more likely to be found in searches of white drivers.

https://www.sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php#.YPCffj2Sk2w
Stop just making crap up. All you do is whine and cry because you cannot show me any evidence of what you claim. I on the other hand can produce evidence.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Wait ... "come from cultures"...? Um ... that means that they come from different cultures. Otherwise they would share the SAME culture.
You guys love making this stuff up as you go along.

You are genuinely confused, but I am here mercifully to help! When I use the term *our culture* I make an effort to get to the core of it, or to the *seed* if you wish. I outlined this in my last post. To encapsulate, it simply we can refer to it as Greco-Christian culture. I am not making this up! I am referring to defined school of thought. That school of thought would be understood by educated Germans, French, Italians, Hungarians, Spaniards, etc.

So, please note that I am referring to substructure, or foundation -- the stuff or the material with which a general culture is built.

So all the various diverse regional cultures, as it pertains to the Occident, have been constructed through these categories of concern as we might call them: Religion / Philosophy / Mathematics & Astronomy / Natural Science / Biology / Medicine / Literature / History Political Thought / Art / Architecture.

You are not taking this into consideration when you bring out the notion of culture or *a culture*. You are not understanding the connective, understructure -- the foundation. This foundation has tangible and non-tangible elements. And by 'non-tangible' I refer to metaphysical.

There is a French culture, obviously, and it is distinct from Spanish culture, and similarly from Romanian culture. But what is the connecting material? Obvious the Christian religion -- Greco-Christianity -- but in different manifestations.

Even a lonesome cowboy on the high plains of Montana . . . riding down the paths and biways of the West . . . strumming his old guitar-box -- (what's your horse's name?) -- should be able to grasp what I am saying here.

If you can't quite get it . . . listen to the lonesome whippoorwill! She will tell you exactly what I am trying to say!

And if you listen very closely . . .

So to recap: those of Occidental cultures, those of European descent and background (matrix) do indeed share the same Culture but they come from different cultures.

But at this point we will have to broach the topic of POSTMODERNISM and Pastiche Culture. These are strange and confusing currents that have infiltrated perception.

Ready?

 

[Alizia Tyler]

[We might have to send out a search-party for @Master Debator I fear someone kidnapped and is cucking him against his notably resilient will!]

(in solidarity)

 

[Ouroboros]

Nope.. I never ever ever said.. that culture was "my own personal experience". Stop making crap up.


Wait.. "come from cultures"...? Um.. that means that they come from different cultures. Otherwise they would share the SAME culture.
You guys love making this stuff up as you go along. Whenever you are asked to define something.. or explain or provide evidence of your assertions.. off you go on another strawman or tangent.

Thats right.. a job is not an ethnic stereotype. SO.. why do you accuse me of using an ethnic stereotype when I mentioned Jewish stockbroker? You just make crap up.

Man, you have to have even your own errors spelled out. It’s an ethnic stereotype to speak of associate Jews with money making professions because for centuries Jews were accused of having special talents there. In terms you might understand, it’s like assuming all basketball players are black.

The separate cultures have enough in common that they can assimilate into a new culture of shared beliefs and experiences— which is precisely what happened when many Europeans formed American culture.

 

[jaeger19]

First, I have no doubt that I can present the evidence, yet I doubt that you can receive the evidence. The problem is there and no where else. I will reduce this to the most simple. To understand Indo-European Culture, all of the cultures and nations of Europe and in what they were constructed on (or through), and thus to identify what is the essence of (your term) *white culture*, one need only turn the the Greeks. I suggest The Legacy of Greece (Oxford 1921) edited by RW Livingstone

Hmmm.. Lets get this straight. So my culture which is based largely on my German immigrant heritage.
Is based on the Greek culture? Bull. Come now.

If you were to apply CRT to a kindergarten or first-grade class of mixed children and were to put a label on each of them, you would write African American, Latino, Chinese, Japanese and then European on the label you'd affix to them, would you not? But, on the label of the white child you'd have to write in parentheses *Racist Oppressor* if you were to follow through with ideology latent CRT

1. Well.. I have never seen any evidence that the pioneers of CRT said that we should label children with "Racist Oppressor".. Please provide evidence that the originators of CRT believed white children should be labeled "racist oppressor"
2. Please provide the evidence that CRT is being applied in this manner in classrooms across the country.
3. Please provide the evidence that psychological harm has occurred to children because of CRT

Alizia.. you just dug yourself a bigger hole. Again.. no evidence is forthcoming from you.

In accompanying documents, Mr. Ross argues that whites share an inborn oppressive streak. “Whiteness,” employees are told, “includes white privilege and white supremacy.” Consequently, whites “struggle to own their racism.” He instructs managers to conduct “listening sessions” in which black employees can speak about their experience and be “seen in their pain,” while white employees are instructed to “sit in the discomfort” and not “fill the silence with your own thoughts and feelings.” Members of “the group you’re allying with,” Mr. Ross says, are not “obligated to like you, thank you, feel sorry for you, or forgive you.” For training like this, Mr. Ross and his firm have been paid $5 million over 15 years, according to federal disclosures.​

​

​

Well.. Alizia.. please point out the exact paragraphs where that was taken.. Because I read the first of your linked documents.. And I found no where that Mr Ross argued that whites "share an inborn oppressive streak".
By the way.. the paragraph is taken out of context of many lessons on how to have a difficult conversation about race.

For example.. to listen to what your employees have to say and to not get upset if what they say makes you uncomfortable:

With some context: By the way.. This isn;t what just white employees are supposed to do.. thats a flat out lie.

Some principles to consider if you're facilitating a listening session, or in a one on one conversation about race.

2. Listen deeply and really work to hear what each other has to say, as if what they have to say, as if what they have to say is true for them. We often want to talk someone out of their experience, especially if it conflicts with our own. Resist this and sit in the discomfort that someone else has a different experience than you. Its an expression of accepting that someone else's reality is different and equally as legitimate as yours. You will definitely not agree with all views, and if someone presents what can be interpreted as a racist view, with the intention to be inflammatory or provoke others on the call, you can say that you understand that this is their view, but its not helping move the conversation forward. (restate the intention

So.. thats the ACTUAL paragraph with full context. Please looking at that whole paragraph.. please explain why you have a problem with what it says.

 

[jaeger19]

You are genuinely confused, but I am here mercifully to help! When I use the term *our culture* I make an effort to get to the core of it, or to the *seed* if you wish. I outlined this in my last post. To encapsulate, it simply we can refer to it as Greco-Christian culture. I am not making this up! I am referring to defined school of thought. That school of thought would be understood by educated Germans, French, Italians, Hungarians, Spaniards, etc.

So, please note that I am referring to substructure, or foundation -- the stuff or the material with which a general culture is built.

So all the various diverse regional cultures, as it pertains to the Occident, have been constructed through these categories of concern as we might call them: Religion / Philosophy / Mathematics & Astronomy / Natural Science / Biology / Medicine / Literature / History Political Thought / Art / Architecture.

You are not taking this into consideration when you bring out the notion of culture or *a culture*. You are not understanding the connective, understructure -- the foundation. This foundation has tangible and non-tangible elements. And by 'non-tangible' I refer to metaphysical.

There is a French culture, obviously, and it is distinct from Spanish culture, and similarly from Romanian culture. But what is the connecting material? Obvious the Christian religion -- Greco-Christianity -- but in different manifestations.

Even a lonesome cowboy on the high plains of Montana . . . riding down the paths and biways of the West . . . strumming his old guitar-box -- (what's your horse's name?) -- should be able to grasp what I am saying here.

If you can't quite get it . . . listen to the lonesome whippoorwill! She will tell you exactly what I am trying to say!

And if you listen very closely . . .

So to recap: those of Occidental cultures, those of European descent and background (matrix) do indeed share the same Culture but they come from different cultures.

But at this point we will have to broach the topic of POSTMODERNISM and Pastiche Culture. These are strange and confusing currents that have infiltrated perception.

Ready?

You just said it. There is French culture and it is DISTINCT from Spanish Culture and similarly from Romanian culture.
In other words.. they are distinct cultures.. not one.
You just blew up your own argument.

You might want to work on debate techniques. You rarely win a debate by defeating your own argument with your own words!!!

 

[jaeger19]

Man, you have to have even your own errors spelled out. It’s an ethnic stereotype to speak of associate Jews with money making professions because for centuries Jews were accused of having special talents there. In terms you might understand, it’s like assuming all basketball players are black.

The separate cultures have enough in common that they can assimilate into a new culture of shared beliefs and experiences— which is precisely what happened when many Europeans formed American culture.

I see.. so according to you.. there is no such thing as Jewish stockbrokers?
I guess there aren;t black athletes either.
Or white golfers..
OR..
You just said it.. Separate cultures. You also just defeated your own argument.

Whoa.. interesting. So.. according to you.. Europeans are the only ones that formed AMERICAN culture?

Please explain how Europeans are the only contributors to AMERICAN culture.

 

[Master Debator]

[We might have to send out a search-party for @Master Debator I fear someone kidnapped and is cucking him against his notably resilient will!]

(in solidarity)

Miss me? I'm helping my daughter move into her new apartment so you're going to have do without me for the week.

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Hmmm. ... Lets get this straight. So my culture which is based largely on my German immigrant heritage is based on the Greek culture? Bull. Come now.

In your weird way you are sort of creative. I wonder what webs of nonsense you will weave to try to make is seem as if you have any sense what you are talking about! What crazy stuff are you going to spout?!? It better be good!

Greco-Roman World

The term "Greco-Roman world" (also "Greco-Roman culture" /ˌɡrikoʊˈroʊmən/ or /ˌɡrɛkoʊˈroʊmən/; spelled Graeco-Roman in the Commonwealth), as understood by modern scholars and writers, refers to geographical regions and countries that culturally—and so historically—were directly and intimately influenced by the language, culture, government and religion of the ancient Greeks and Romans. A better-known term is classical civilization. In exact terms the area refers to the "Mediterranean world", the extensive tracts of land centered on the Mediterranean and Black Sea Basins, the "swimming pool and spa" of the Greeks and the Romans, in which those peoples' cultural perceptions, ideas, and sensitivities became dominant in classical antiquity.​

Romano-Germanic culture

The term Romano-Germanic describes the conflation of Roman culture with that of various Germanic peoples in areas successively ruled by the Roman Empire and Germanic "barbarian monarchies".​

​

These include the kingdoms of the Visigoths (in Hispania and Gallia Narbonensis), the Ostrogoths (in Italia, Sicilia, Raetia, Noricum, Pannonia, Dalmatia and Dacia), the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms in Sub-Roman Britain, and finally the Franks who established the nucleus of the later "Holy Roman Empire" in Gallia Aquitania, Gallia Lugdunensis, Gallia Belgica, Germania Superior and Inferior, and parts of the previously unconquered Germania Magna. Additionally, minor Germanic tribes – the Vandals, the Suebi, the Burgundians, the Alemanni, and later the Lombards − also established their kingdoms in Roman territory in the West.​

​

The cultural syncretism of Roman and Germanic traditions overlaid the earlier syncretism of Roman culture with the Celtic culture of the respective imperial provinces, Gallo-Roman culture in Gaul and Romano-British culture in Britain. This results in a triple fusion of Celtic-Roman-Germanic culture for France and England in particular.​

Catholic Church in Germany ("Germania")

The earliest stage of Christianization of the various Celtic people and Germanic people occurred only in the western part of Germany, the part controlled by the Roman empire. Christianization was facilitated by the prestige of the Christian Roman Empire amongst its pagan subjects and was achieved gradually by various means. The rise of Germanic Christianity was at times voluntary, particularly among groups associated with the Roman Empire. Aspects of primeval pagan religion have persisted to this day, including the names of the days of the week.​

​

As Roman rule crumbled in Germany in the 5th century, this phase of Catholicism in Germany came to an end with it. At first, the Gallo-Roman or Germano-Roman populations were able to retain control over big cities such as Cologne and Trier, but in 459 these too were overwhelmed by the attacks of Frankish tribes. Most of the Gallo-Romans or Germano-Romans were killed or exiled. The newcomers to the towns reestablished the observance of the pagan rites. The small remaining Catholic population was powerless to protect its faith against the new ruling Frankish lords.​

​

But as soon as 496, Frankish King Clovis I was baptized together with many members of his household. In contrast to the eastern German tribes, who became Arian Christians, he became a Catholic. Following the example of their king, many Franks were baptized too, but their Catholicism was intermixed with pagan rites.​

 

[Alizia Tyler]

[cont. from previous]

Greater Germania and the Frankish *world* are at the very center of the Europe and the Occident.

Germania Superior

Germania Superior ("Upper Germania") was an imperial province of the Roman Empire. It comprised an area of today's western Switzerland, the French Jura and Alsace regions, and southwestern Germany. Important cities were Besançon (Vesontio), Strasbourg (Argentoratum), Wiesbaden (Aquae Mattiacae), and Germania Superior's capital, Mainz (Mogontiacum). It comprised the Middle Rhine, bordering on the Limes Germanicus, and on the Alpine province of Raetia to the south-east. Although it had been occupied militarily since the reign of Augustus, Germania Superior (along with Germania Inferior) was not made into an official province until c. 85 AD.​

 

[Alizia Tyler]

You rarely win a debate by defeating your own argument with your own words!!!

You have simply not understood what I said and why I said it.

This is not a *debate*. I am providing you with the most basic and elemental information in these last posts. This is all new to you. You have never had to think about any of this, ever!

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Whoa

Not an acceptable term of discourse. Ten demerit points.

 

[Ouroboros]

Nope.. I did not "accept Derrick Bells claim of systemic racism with no solid evidence".. Yet another of your mammoth lies.

I have REPEATEDLY.. on this website and on multiple forums... provided STUDIES.. actually RESEARCH.. that showed institutional racism in police interactions, banking, mortgage lending, Justice system, and in education. MULTIPLE STUDIES.
Here is an example:


https://www.sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php#.YPCffj2Sk2w
Stop just making crap up. All you do is whine and cry because you cannot show me any evidence of what you claim. I on the other hand can produce evidence.

Your evidence just tells you what you want to hear. Allegations of systemic racism will always be interpretations, not facts.

 

[Ouroboros]

You are genuinely confused, but I am here mercifully to help! When I use the term *our culture* I make an effort to get to the core of it, or to the *seed* if you wish. I outlined this in my last post. To encapsulate, it simply we can refer to it as Greco-Christian culture. I am not making this up! I am referring to defined school of thought. That school of thought would be understood by educated Germans, French, Italians, Hungarians, Spaniards, etc.

So, please note that I am referring to substructure, or foundation -- the stuff or the material with which a general culture is built.

So all the various diverse regional cultures, as it pertains to the Occident, have been constructed through these categories of concern as we might call them: Religion / Philosophy / Mathematics & Astronomy / Natural Science / Biology / Medicine / Literature / History Political Thought / Art / Architecture.

You are not taking this into consideration when you bring out the notion of culture or *a culture*. You are not understanding the connective, understructure -- the foundation. This foundation has tangible and non-tangible elements. And by 'non-tangible' I refer to metaphysical.

There is a French culture, obviously, and it is distinct from Spanish culture, and similarly from Romanian culture. But what is the connecting material? Obvious the Christian religion -- Greco-Christianity -- but in different manifestations.

Even a lonesome cowboy on the high plains of Montana . . . riding down the paths and biways of the West . . . strumming his old guitar-box -- (what's your horse's name?) -- should be able to grasp what I am saying here.

If you can't quite get it . . . listen to the lonesome whippoorwill! She will tell you exactly what I am trying to say!

And if you listen very closely . . .

So to recap: those of Occidental cultures, those of European descent and background (matrix) do indeed share the same Culture but they come from different cultures.

But at this point we will have to broach the topic of POSTMODERNISM and Pastiche Culture. These are strange and confusing currents that have infiltrated perception.

Ready?

I like the phrase “Greco-Christian” culture as an umbrella term that is not necessarily limited to Caucasian cultures but whose influence was most concentrated in those cultures. I recall someone making a good argument about the hybridization that arose from the philosophical priorities of the Greeks blended with the pietism of the Jews and Christians, cant recall who made it though.

 

[Ouroboros]

Hmmm.. Lets get this straight. So my culture which is based largely on my German immigrant heritage.
Is based on the Greek culture? Bull. Come now.



1. Well.. I have never seen any evidence that the pioneers of CRT said that we should label children with "Racist Oppressor".. Please provide evidence that the originators of CRT believed white children should be labeled "racist oppressor"
2. Please provide the evidence that CRT is being applied in this manner in classrooms across the country.
3. Please provide the evidence that psychological harm has occurred to children because of CRT

Alizia.. you just dug yourself a bigger hole. Again.. no evidence is forthcoming from you.


Well.. Alizia.. please point out the exact paragraphs where that was taken.. Because I read the first of your linked documents.. And I found no where that Mr Ross argued that whites "share an inborn oppressive streak".
By the way.. the paragraph is taken out of context of many lessons on how to have a difficult conversation about race.

For example.. to listen to what your employees have to say and to not get upset if what they say makes you uncomfortable:

With some context: By the way.. This isn;t what just white employees are supposed to do.. thats a flat out lie.



So.. thats the ACTUAL paragraph with full context. Please looking at that whole paragraph.. please explain why you have a problem with what it says.

The entire document is rife with scenarios in which POC do all the talking and Whites do all the listening. Typical cherry picking Mad Lib.