Louisiana Lawmaker Forced to Clarify There Was No ‘Good’ in Slavery

[Aunt Antifa]

As I have said I say again: I believe you are deeply involved in lies & deceptions. I do not believe a single word of your *enormous complaint* about US culture today, and though you have endless justifications for your violent, unreasoning hatred of America, and you are deeply involved in a general, animus-driven hatred-campaign against *white wingers* as you call them, I believe that you lie about everything.

…but now please read the 800 blocks of text I’ve written. Thx.

 

[Ouroboros]

No one is denying slave labor was the impetus for America's economic rise, in fact that's one of the poignant arguments in favor of reparations for the descendents of those slaves who's backs that wealth was built on, what people disagreed with you on was whether or not this was a benefit for slaves.

Nope, I answered the question with which the thread began. The critics of Garofalo wanted to promote the idea that no good could come from slavery if the slaves suffered, but that’s a separate issue from determining if the real world good existed at all.

 

[Ouroboros]

Don't look but Alizia admitted that slavery benefitted America, considering that admission it's hard to argue that America doesn't owe their descendants reparations for benefits America received off their backs.

But even if you think White Culture owes you something, can you discern in it anything that separates it from White Supremacist Culture?

 

[Alizia Tyler]

…but now please read the 800 blocks of text I’ve written. Thx.

My best response to you — the only possible response since you have no ideas, no discourse, no real purpose that I discern — comes from The Animal Kingdom!

 

[Ouroboros]

Okay..thats funny.
1. Western states use federal land for grazing..at a much much cheaper rate than private. They use federal land for timber..for mining..and for oil and gas.
Not to mention the tons of money western states get for recreation like hunting and fishing.
2. Meanwhile..the federal government picks up most of the bill for management like fire suppression

Did no other empire lay out funds for projects that benefited both themselves and their vassals? From where did all those Roman roads come from, if not from the Roman Empire?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

But even if you think White Culture owes you something, can you discern in it anything that separates it from White Supremacist Culture?

No no: white culture doesn’t owe something, the country does. The fact that you folks keep conflating the two is why we still have white supremacist culture in 2021.

 

[Ouroboros]

Cool! If this was all you were interested in, you should open a museum. Problem solved! I love going to museums to learn about different cultures. Have you tried doing so? There is a museum called the Smithsonian that has done an excellent job of preserving Caucasian-European culture; you should check it out as it will allay most of your fears.

Perhaps you can even participate in some community events. Before COVID, here in San Jose in which whites are a minority due to the large Asian population, I attended both an Italian festival as well as the Portuguese cultural festival. Both were super cool and helped to preserve and strengthen the cultures without writing long essays that all summarize as “keep the coloreds out” - just think, you could have avoided all this if you’d just gone to some of these festivals. Heck I’m one of those coloreds that offends you and even I was welcomed to them. (though, the Portuguese one got weird when a speaker said “and wherever in the world we went, we were loved!” — that part got awkward)

the other thing you could try doing is writing a book about European culture and traditions. It also would help accomplish your goal without requiring you to be the white segregationist that you currently are. Just think, you could keep your cultural traditions intact even while a colored person sits in the same diner as you or drinks from the same water fountain. It’s possible and I strong suggest that you introspection about how white kids can enjoy their traditions even if there is a black child in the school bus with them.

Are you arguing that a few Italian festivals prove that there is no attack upon the Culture of White People?

 

[Alizia Tyler]

Any means necessary were used! Any lie, any distortion, became fair game as long as its object was unseating Donald Trump and driving a certain constituency back underground. I refer to these events and efforts as para-democratic because they seem to involve the concerted efforts of powerful embedded players who use para-democratic forces and efforts to secure their will.

All that I have said is that I believe it proper, right and good that White Caucasian Americans develop a specific consciousness in our present. The nature of the intensely indoctrinated American system (ideological indoctrination) is so powerful that the ideas that I tend to recommend and support are vilified as manifestation so Hitlerian evil. That is, in essence, how the game is played.

So, this is really what I am involved in: talking about these things. You are completely free to describe what you believe that I do, think, value and work toward in any way that you wish — have at it with gusto & panache!

It is all useful to me because it helps me develop a reasoned and ethical response to your many lies & distortion. What happens here, in microcosm, definitely has a connection to what is going on there, in macrocosm.

Ultimately, the important thing is not the you&me but the larger picture. So my interest is in talking about that larger picture. About social molding, about a manager-class that molds ideology, and all of this in a climate of various extremely accelerating social-control within a global setting.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Are you arguing that a few Italian festivals prove that there is no attack upon the Culture of White People?

There is no such thing as white culture.

 

[Master Debator]

Nope, I answered the question with which the thread began. The critics of Garofalo wanted to promote the idea that no good could come from slavery if the slaves suffered, but that’s a separate issue from determining if the real world good existed at all.

I don't see any conflict between what I wrote and what they claim. Recognizing slavers in the South and merchants in the north and the country they controlled, literally, since they were the only ones allowed a vote or have a say in governance, benefitted off of slavery isn't the same thing as saying "good" came out of it. "Good" is a moral distinction. Is it "good" when theives profit off of plunder? When drug dealers profit off the sales of narcotics? Can you not see the distinction between profit and "good"?

 

[Ouroboros]

No no: white culture doesn’t owe something, the country does. The fact that you folks keep conflating the two is why we still have white supremacist culture in 2021.

I’m sure I’ll be amused by any example you can supply of this alleged conflation, since you’re claiming it’s been going on for some time.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I’m sure I’ll be amused by any example you can supply of this alleged conflation, since you’re claiming it’s been going on for some time.

Who is it you were saying thinks “white culture” owes them somthing?

 

[Ouroboros]

There is no such thing as white culture.

Are you going to define culture to support that? I warn you, Jaeger’s astoundingly awful definition will be hard for you to top.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Are you going to define culture to support that? I warn you, Jaeger’s astoundingly awful definition will be hard for you to top.

No, I’m not going to do the thing where you demand I say words and you hand wave off those words. If *you* have a specific argument you care to make in objection to or support of something I said, do that.

This ain’t a talk show, you ain’t a talk show host, and I didn’t agree to be your guest.

 

[Master Debator]

So, this is really what I am involved in: talking about these things. You are completely free to describe what you believe that I do, think, value and work toward in any way that you wish — have at it with gusto & panache!

It is all useful to me because it helps me develop a reasoned and ethical response to your many lies & distortion. What happens here, in microcosm, definitely has a connection to what is going on there, in macrocosm.

Ultimately, the important thing is not the you&me but the larger picture. So my interest is in talking about that larger picture. About social molding, about a manager-class that molds ideology, and all of this in a climate of various extremely accelerating social-control within a global setting.

That's what liberty is Alizia. You get to produce your narrative, we get to produce ours and we spar verbally and debate and democracy decides which of us wins. Your culture is losing. Fewer and fewer people care for your type of ideology. I suggest you find some emotional acceptance of this fact and learn to be happy as part of a second rate community of nobodies that the generally public typically ignores until we get an opportunity to shame and laugh at you on social media.

 

[Ouroboros]

I don't see any conflict between what I wrote and what they claim. Recognizing slavers in the South and merchants in the north and the country they controlled, literally, since they were the only ones allowed a vote or have a say in governance, benefitted off of slavery isn't the same thing as saying "good" came out of it. "Good" is a moral distinction. Is it "good" when theives profit off of plunder? When drug dealers profit off the sales of narcotics? Can you not see the distinction between profit and "good"?

If a profit preserves a nation from falling apart, then it is a demonstrable “good” on those terms.

A lot of people over the centuries suffer because a given nation’s leaders choose this or that course, not only slaves. The courses chosen may be fairly condemned as to whether they have benefited the nation as a whole. But the courses can’t logically be compared to outright crimes like drug dealing, where the profit is purely individual.

 

[Ouroboros]

Who is it you were saying thinks “white culture” owes them somthing?

That would be Master Debator. Try to keep up.

 

[phoenix2020]

Are you arguing that a few Italian festivals prove that there is no attack upon the Culture of White People?

I won’t say that since of course it’s up to you to prove that there is an attack upon the Culture of White People. That of course would be inclusive of defining what said Culture is. Instead I will reiterate what I already said: that since @Alizia Tyler is interested in preserving and strengthening European/Caucasian culture, she can accomplish this through a variety of means that do not require her to remain the white nationalist and white segregationist that she is. That’s right, she can enjoy her culture WHILE black people eat at the same diner she is in! It’s somewhat surprising she does not realize this. Heck, I’ve lived in majority white environments most of my life and still managed to hold on to my parents’ culture.

 

[Master Debator]

But even if you think White Culture owes you something, can you discern in it anything that separates it from White Supremacist Culture?

Both Alizia and I said America, I don't know where you get white culture from. I think America owes the descendants of American slavery reparations which I'm not even a part of. My people were slaves of England in the West Indies. None if my relatives, as far as I know, where ever slaves in America.

 

[Ouroboros]

No, I’m not going to do the thing where you demand I say words and you hand wave off those words. If *you* have a specific argument you care to make in objection to or support of something I said, do that.

This ain’t a talk show, you ain’t a talk show host, and I didn’t agree to be your guest.

I can’t argue against a bare assertion with no logic behind it. So I guess you “win.”

 

[Aunt Antifa]

That would be Master Debator. Try to keep up.

If you don’t want to discuss what you believe, this is probably why I won’t waste time giving you examples. Shrug.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I can’t argue against a bare assertion with no logic behind it. So I guess you “win.”

We’re all picking up on that.

 

[Ouroboros]

That's what liberty is Alizia. You get to produce your narrative, we get to produce ours and we spar verbally and debate and democracy decides which of us wins. Your culture is losing. Fewer and fewer people care for your type of ideology. I suggest you find some emotional acceptance of this fact and learn to be happy as part of a second rate community of nobodies that the generally public typically ignores until we get an opportunity to shame and laugh at you on social media.

Still not getting what you mean by liberty. Are you defining it as freedom of speech?

 

[phoenix2020]

I can’t argue against a bare assertion with no logic behind it. So I guess you “win.”

C’mon give yourself more credit. After all, you have no problem making bare assertions with no logic behind them. Surely you can learn to argue in the same way.

 

[Ouroboros]

I won’t say that since of course it’s up to you to prove that there is an attack upon the Culture of White People. That of course would be inclusive of defining what said Culture is. Instead I will reiterate what I already said: that since @Alizia Tyler is interested in preserving and strengthening European/Caucasian culture, she can accomplish this through a variety of means that do not require her to remain the white nationalist and white segregationist that she is. That’s right, she can enjoy her culture WHILE black people eat at the same diner she is in! It’s somewhat surprising she does not realize this. Heck, I’ve lived in majority white environments most of my life and still managed to hold on to my parents’ culture.

Okay, but what are your standards of proof? Jaeger would recognize no proof of CRT’s agenda except what its proponents claimed it to be. I provided a link to pushback against a children’s book author, one Highinbotham, who was advocating anti white racism in that book. Whether or not you agree with all aspects of the screed against the book, can you entertain the possibility that the author might have an agenda beyond what she states? Libs have historically had no problems with such deep readings, as we saw with the flurry of outrage over Melania Trump’s jacket.