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Los Angeles ranks No. 1 in move-outs for second year, PODS data shows

I'm not optimistic Californians will elect the right candidate for our next Governor. Don't think much can be done about affordability, but plenty room for improvement in other areas. Would start by reigning in legislative overkill.

A bill for every problem? Why California lawmakers introduce longshots

Some of the 2,000 bills introduced each year in the California Legislature are to change policy, but others have different goals.
calmatters.org
 
Michael Cole said:
Cost of living is the main factor.
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Yes, and cost of living is drastically increased by "progressive" policies, and every additional government "service" requires increasing taxes to pay for it.
 
Helix said:
Yeah, I wouldn't be a fan of dealing with that traffic on the daily.
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A lot of new car designs include the kind of comforts that people need if they are in them (during commutes) a long time.....Thanks LA traffic.
 
aociswundumho said:
Yes, and cost of living is drastically increased by "progressive" policies, and every additional government "service" requires increasing taxes to pay for it.
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That's what happens when you have lots and lots and lots of people.
 
So there's hope for some backward red states.
 
Bodecea said:
That's what happens when you have lots and lots and lots of people.
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In general, the cost of government "services" per capita tends to go down as population density goes up due to economies of scale.
 
That was 2012, after years of Conservative Party incompetent mismanagement.
 
Bodecea said:
So there's hope for some backward red states.
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As time goes by, states change their party affiliaitons or go from red to swing to blue and blue to swing to red. Growing up the south was solid blue with the northeast red. California was a red state until 1992, now it’s a blue state. There are several states in the process of changing colors. There has been movement from 2000-2024 for the states from red to blue or blue to red. Below is the movement based on PVI, Partisan Voting Index along with their number of electoral votes for the 2024 presidential election. I only included swing states, no solid red or blue states.

Arizona from an R+6 down to an R+2. Moving blue. 11 electoral votes

Florida from R+1 to a R+3 getting slightly redder. 30 electoral votes

Georgia from a R+10 down to an R+3 Moving blue 16 electoral votes

Michigan from a D+6 to a R+1 Moving Red 15 electoral votes

Minnesota from a D+10 down to a D+1 moving Red 10 electoral votes

Nevada from D+3 to R+1 Moving Red 6 electoral votes

North Carolina from an R+9 down to a R+3 moving blue 16 electoral votes

Ohio From an R+4 up to an R+6 Becoming more red 17 electoral votes

Pennsylvania from D+4 to R+2 moving red 19 electoral votes

Texas from an R+10 down to an R+5 moving blue 40 electoral votes

Wisconsin from a D+10 to a R+2 moving red 10 electoral votes

Cook Partisan Voting Index - Wikipedia

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aociswundumho said:
Yes, and cost of living is drastically increased by "progressive" policies
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???

Do the gay landlords charge you too much rent?

aociswundumho said:
, and every additional government "service" requires increasing taxes to pay for it.
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Unless we use slaves. Wanna be a slave?

Cost of living is associated with income. High income areas have a high cost of living. Using your "theory," that would mean progressive policies will make you rich. Wanna be rich?
 
aociswundumho said:
The entire list is people leaving blue states for red, other than a few areas in Florida. This is going to change political representation in the 2030 census. Dems will lose both house seats and EC votes.
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Or the states that Californians are moving to will turn Blue. As Colorado did.
 
L88 said:
Or the states that Californians are moving to will turn Blue. As Colorado did.
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Texas, Arizona, and Nevada are the top three states they move to, and they are not turning blue.
 
aociswundumho said:
Texas, Arizona, and Nevada are the top three states they move to, and they are not turning blue.
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Arizona and Nevada are "bluer" than they were. Nothing like California, which is why people like those states.

Arizona and Nevada are also libertarian states. Thinking they are bastions of MAGA "conservatism" would be incorrect.

And Las Vegas is more liberal than Reno, yet Reno has a higher cost of living. It would seem "progressive policies" aren't what you claim them to be.
 
Michael Cole said:
???

Do the gay landlords charge you too much rent?
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San Francisco is the gayest city in the country, and one of the most progressive.

 
Michael Cole said:
Arizona and Nevada are "bluer" than they were. Nothing like California, which is why people like those states.
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Ok, so we agree that California is awful.

Michael Cole said:
Arizona and Nevada are also libertarian states.
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What's libertarian about them?

Michael Cole said:
Thinking they are bastions of MAGA "conservatism" would be incorrect.
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I'm only claiming they are Republican.

Michael Cole said:
And Las Vegas is more liberal than Reno, yet Reno has a higher cost of living. It would seem "progressive policies" aren't what you claim them to be.
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That's because not all progressive policies are economic.
 
I was actually thinking of the New York metro area. I know folks that were literally taxed out of their home
 
aociswundumho said:
Ok, so we agree that California is awful.
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??? Why would I think California is anything but awful? When have I ever praised California?

aociswundumho said:
What's libertarian about them?
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Nevada has no income tax. Alcohol, gambling, cannabis and prostitution is legal 24/7. It's also one of the most diverse states. Do what you want and leave others to do what they want. Spend money. About as libertarian as you can get.

aociswundumho said:
I'm only claiming they are Republican.
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Using what metric? AZ and NV are represented by Democratic Senators and several Democratic Representatives. Voter registration is fairly even, last I checked.

They're not Republican. They're independent. Voting for Trump once doesn't make a state Republican.

aociswundumho said:
That's because not all progressive policies are economic.
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Nah. Has nothing to do with that.
 
Logophile said:
I was actually thinking of the New York metro area. I know folks that were literally taxed out of their home
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You're the one who mentioned fixed income. Someone on a fixed income who can't afford property tax has several options.

The point stands. Those with high income, or property, gain the most by moving from high tax states.
 
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Cities and states that don't build housing become too expensive and become overrun with homelessness, making the city a worse place to live for everyone.

LA and SF are two of the most overrated cities in America IMO.
 
Michael Cole said:
The point stands. Those with high income, or property, gain the most by moving from high tax states.
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Yes, blue states drive out their most productive residents, and then increase taxes on those left to make up for it until you're left with something that looks like Detroit.
 
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