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Look what white guilt has created.

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Straight from Americans southwest in the past 2 weeks.

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/

"aging white population"

"you think we are illegal? this is our home"

"we are not immigrants, we are migrants, free to travel the length of the Americans"

"remember when they yelled the british are coming! the british are coming! well the latinos are coming! the latinos are coming!"

"those rednecks out there making decisions for the betterment of their communities"

"you can believe in aztlan, but you don't have to give your lives yet, we are not at that point yet"

"we have the armour, we have the infantry, we have the artillary. all we have to do is combine it under one organized command, so we can wage a war against those whites"

" and people say to me on the senate floor, when i was on the senate, why do you fight so hard for affirmative actions laws and I would tell my white collegues, because you're going to need them"

"we are in a civil war, united the latinos will win"

You think it's bad now? They don't even have a population of 35% yet. Just wait until they have 50% of the population.

Western civilization is coming to an end. I guess this is what the liberals wanted though. Total destruction of our culture, of our society, of our existence.

Current demographics indicate that between 2150-2200, there will be no more whites in the world. Western Europe will be taken over by arabs and America will be taken over by Hispanics. Our culture will be forgotten forever.

As of the year 2003, there are roughly 6.5 billion people in the world. Whites make up around 600 million and that number is rapidly declining. In 100 years, the worldwide population is expected to grow to 12 billion. At that time, whites will be lucky to make up 300 million

So I have a question for all you white guilt liberals. Is it racist to want to preserve ones own culture, history, and people? Or is it just ok to have Latino pride, AZN pride, and Black pride?

Yeah watch the video, and think long and hard. Because in another 20 years, those fanatical illegals pouring in across the border being told the "aging white population is dead" are gonna be at your doorstep, after you spent your whole life telling fellow whites that they have no right to preserve themselves from extinction, no right to curb illegal immigration, or to defend themselves from these fanatics.

Who is gonna protect you when they are marching down your streets speaking spanish telling you that your scum beneath their shoes?

You think they are going to remember how YOU helped them get here illegally and spare YOU while they go after all the other "aging whites" and enact laws that are designed to make all white 2nd class citizens.

Enjoy the future, and the future your children will have under hispanic rule. Lets see if they treat you half as decent as your white guilt has treated them.

Start chanting now Aztlan!! Aztlan!! Aztlan!! and bow down to your new hispanic masters.
 
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It's funny but very sad at the same time. I could just imagine a cartoon of an illegal mexican screaming over a white guilt liberal saying something like "this is my land, my country, and my people, now get out you redneck" and the liberal is over there kissing his feet while on the other side is a group of white Americans that are trying to preserve their history and culture before it's completely annihilated and another liberal is shouting "RACIST".
 
:2funnyhh this thread is too funny. White folk fearing to become the minority in this country. Well join the crowd then.
You honestly think that non-white immigrants are going to "liberate" the southern half of the US? That's nothing but ignorant paranoia.
FYI, this land used to belong to Native American's. If anyone has the ability to claim to be an actual native of this land it is them, no one else has such a right. The rest of us are all decendents of immigrants, or immigrants ourselves. This country was founded on the principles of immigration. Is illegal immigration bad? No, it's not a good or bad situation, it's a legal vs illegal situation, and bottom line is it's illegal and something should be done about it. But you're rational of stopping immigration because the white population is going to be minoritized? Hahahaa, actually I think that's a good thing. Too many white ppl I've met are completely arrogant of thier own identity and feel that it is thier ideologies and beliefs that are the culture of this nation and it is that culture that immigrants should embrace and accultrate to.
Well I guess if you think that way, well sucks to be you then. Hope you sleep well at night.
 


There you have it folks. The pinnacle of ignorant statements. Let's analyze this to get the true feeling of just how asinine a group of statements it really is.

jfuh said:
White folk fearing to become the minority in this country
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There has never been a nation state in the entire history of the world that has not either A) broken apart into seperate smaller nations or B) Gone into civil war, upon the main ethnic group of that country declining to a state of 50% or less. By 2040 the white population of America will reach such a point. Ever heard the phrase "learn from history or repeat it". If not, maybe you ought to.

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You honestly think that non-white immigrants are going to "liberate" the southern half of the US? That's nothing but ignorant paranoia.
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Let me ask you something, do you live in reality? (Perhaps you don't watch the news?) Do you know how all the worlds major empires from the USSR to the Mongolian empire under Genghis Khan, and all those inbetween fell? Let me give you a hint. They all had 2nd and 3rd ethnic groups thatgrew in size and strength that did not speak the language and were not part of the culture. Ultimately these groups consumed the very empires that they were apart of.

Can you put 2 and 2 together or do I have to draw the straight line for you as well? Millions of illegal mexicans not speaking english, waving mexican flags, thinking they own the southwest = cultural conquest which is the same as saying, they now own the land.

jfuh said:
FYI, this land used to belong to Native American's.
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FYI all of the worlds land used to belong to someone else. We have about 6,000 years of wars and changing borders, rising and decling empires and nations. So tell me Einstein, are you volunteering to look over 6,000 years of history to find out where we all *really* belong? I didn't think so. It's put up or shut up.

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Is illegal immigration bad? No, it's not a good or bad situation, it's a legal vs illegal situation, and bottom line is it's illegal and something should be done about it.
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Stop stealing lines from George W Bush :rofl . See it's "illegal" so it *is* a bad situation. See the "illegal" part is what makes it *bad*. Something should be done about it because we have a culture to sustain. One that, as history has taught us gets destroyed when you let masses of unassimilated people come rushing into your country. (Again, try reading some history books before you make comments like this.)



I just want everyone to really REALLY read what this guy just said in this last paragraph. Here on this very thread we have a bunch of websites that are directly linked to the 500,000 or so hispanic mexicans that just marched in the southwest. We have former senators, and current democratic house chairmen, we have mayors of cities in the southwest calling for the destruction of all white people, and a civil war against the rest of America. They are saying that this land belongs to them and they are going to continue to allow illegal immigrants to come in and culturize and take over the American southwest.

Now just go to the link, or read about what these illegals are doing, and then go back and reread jfuh's last paragraph.

Now knowing all this which we have this absolutely golden response by jfuh calling whites arrogant based on the 2 or 3 he knows. What is it like to live life spaced out jfuh?

I almost can't believe he wrote that paragraph. Now I understand why the American education system is ranked 13th in the world right now.
 
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Wow, you post so much about me, yet you only have been on this site for so long and also, have we met? Haven't you learnt never to make assumptions about ppl you don't know?
Questions, So what country is ranked #1?#2 or #3?
Oh and just out of curiosity, why do you care about illegal immigration to the US? ARen't you in the phillipines? Are you white? I guess you think I'm a chico?
While you answer this, I'm pondering whether or not to bother responding to that long post. Hmm :thinking:
 
jfuh said:
So what country is ranked #1?#2 or #3?
Oh and just out of curiosity, why do you care about illegal immigration to the US? ARen't you in the phillipines? Are you white? I guess yout hink I'm a chico huh?
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Is that all you have to say? Pathetic. You get absolutely annihilated in a debate and you cannot refute one single thing said. So what, you want me to sit here and pacify you with a link to the UN with educational statistics and tell you my life story about why I'm in the philippines?

I don't think that would be an acceptable answer if you were debating infront of a live group of people. Fortunately for you, you're on an anonymous message board where you don't actually have to refute facts, you can just run away or divert the topic. Try that in college or any educated place of debate and you'd be laughed right out of the room.

Rebuttal the questions or just stop talking. This thread is for debate not derailment of the subject when you can't refute anything anymore.
 
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Yeah I guess it is disturbing. Afterall you spent so much time to respond to me and here I am writing sentences at you. Just seems wrong some how.

I'll amuse you then, to debate, my young padawan, the opposite party would need to take you seriously. Yet when you post nothing but gibberish hate messages like that to make your point, and personal unbased attacks on the opposition that ads zero credibility to your account.

So perhaps you will humor me with answering this. You mock the US ranks 13th in education, yet you yourself are of US citizenry (really patriotic by the way), and your parents (or parent) were taught in this system hmmm. So who ranks #1, 2 and 3?
 
I thought Atzlan was a white supremacists' hoax.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I thought Atzlan was a white supremacists' hoax.
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Listen to the words of the politicans in the local area of the southwest. Does this sound like a hoax? This isn't even the tip of the iceberg. They have websites, phone numbers, donation numbers.


Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets:
"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die.. Through love of having children, we are going to take over.


Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council:
"They’re afraid we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They’re right. We will take them over. We are here to stay."


Excelsior- The national newspaper of Mexico:
"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."


Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas:
"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population.. I love it. They are ******** in their pants with fear. I love it."


Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party:
"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."


Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor:
"We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country.I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I’m going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back."


Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California
State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Bill Clinton:
"California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn’t like it should leave."


Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General:
We are practicing "La Reconquista" in California."


Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University:
"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos."
 
Read this article straight from the people behind the 700,000 person march in the southwest recently. These people call their movement aztlan. I don't think it can get any more out in the open than this.



http://www.aztlan.net/la_gran_marcha.htm

The article goes on to say.

"It simply means that we now have the numbers, the political will and the organizational skills to direct our own destinies and not be subservient to the White and Jewish power structures. It means that we can now undertake bigger and more significant mass actions to achieve total political and economic liberation like that being proposed by Juan José Gutiérrez, President of Movimiento Latino USA. Juan José Gutiérrez is proposing that the coalition that organized "La Gran Marcha" meet in Arizona or Texas on April 8 to "organize a mass boycott (huelga) against the economy of the USA" to take place on May 1, May 5 or May 19."


Welcome to the future. Where these unAmerican people will do whatever they can to hurt the nation of America until they take from it what they want .
 
RealmOfThePureForms said:
Rebuttal the questions or just stop talking. This thread is for debate not derailment of the subject when you can't refute anything anymore.
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Actually...from what I have read, this thread has little to do with debate, and much to do with your opinion. But that is beside the point.

While there is definately a movement growing for Latino empowerment in this country, it is an inevitable result of out immigration policy (or lack thereof), and the economics of undocumented workers. The displays in the streets are an expected byproduct of the inaction to address issues from the past, and should come as no suprise. As the Latino population in this country grows, so will its influence on politics, which is as it should be.
If, as seems quite clear, you feel Whitey is bein' attacked by this......try joining Stormfront.com, you will find a very willing ear there for the type of "Debate" you seem to require. I would recommend you refrain from insulting the intellect of others though, they dont like that apparently.
Time permitting, I will be more than happy to debate issues with you, even knowing the inevitable debasing comment will be placed in type as you feel the argument slipping away from limited mindset.
 

Oh the type of "debate" I seem to require huh? This is the type of debate America requires if we still want an American in 40 years. Otherwise we will just have a country of illegal unassimilated mexican nationals living in American because a bunch of mexicans were voted into local office and passed laws that only the pro-mexican "American" citizen would ever vote for.

And I have visited and debate on stormfront before. And if you actually read some of the debates that take place there, you'd realize that the site is filled with many decent people who are only seeking to preserve their culture and their history just like every single other race has been trying to do since the beginning of time. There is nothing wrong with what goes on at stormfront and you'd know that if you actually debated there.
 
I think this issue has less to do with the decline of whites than it does the decline of american culture and the self segregation and refusal to assimilate to said country's culture. The word "white" was probaly wrong to use in the first place since all it does is inflame the ignorant liberals who have no clue what is really going on in the country. So just go through this thread and replace every 'white' with 'american'. When I say american I mean blacks, whites, asians everybody.
 
RealmOfThePureForms said:
Enjoy the future, and the future your children will have under hispanic rule. Lets see if they treat you half as decent as your white guilt has treated them.
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Your point: If Hispanics out number whites they will "rule" us.

Your implied premise: Whoever is the majority race "rules" the others.

Your implied points: Whites currently "rule" blacks, Latinos, and all other minorities.

You're implied goal: White Supremacy.


RealmOfThePureForms said:
There you have it folks. The pinnacle of ignorant statements. Let's analyze this to get the true feeling of just how asinine a group of statements it really is.
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You're the one hinting that we shouldn't allow immigrants because of some cryptic and amazingly stupid theory, they will annex part of the country?

I personally think that sharks'll get on land and take over Vermont, we should kill them all.


Examples? That's what I thought.


Yeah, that has nothing to do with the fact that they were malevolent empires.

RealmOfThePureForms said:
Something should be done about it because we have a culture to sustain.
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Our culture won't disappear with a Latino majority. All cultures don't instantly melt together on contact.

What you want is to defend it as the majority culture, which is very different from merely "sustaining" a culture.


Animated? By saying that we need to keep our white supremacy?
 
I can see how this realates to Mexican's invading America (see Mexican flags at recent ralleys - which denote war), but what the hell does this have to do with anyone's race that is *already* an American citizen?

This thread is about racism - pure and simple.

Pathetic pathetic pathetic.
 
It woud seem that they are calling for the death, overthrow and war of Americans to be more specific white Americans. Why does this not seem to be an issue with peope? Why is it being turned into a legal mumbojumbo issue. This being the case, whats the harm in taking an offensive posture against a group that is clearly hosile and is stating it's intention of death and conquest through war and superior numbers. wether you think the threat is credible or not?????????????

I am really curious about this mindset
 
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It's the much pent up anger that we as minorites get from the arrogance of the average white american. Those that ask on meeting: "So where are you from?" Just because we have a different skin tone. Yet because of which, we're never accepted into mainstream society and constantly treated as second class citizens.

Now what's wrong with: "taking an offensive posture against a group that is clearly hosile and is stating it's intention of death and conquest through war and superior numbers." you ask?
Let's see, superior numbers, majority, hostile, oh are you speaking of the caucasian race in the US? Last I heard they are the majority population in the US as well as with hostile intent to "push us back into the hole we came from".

I'm really curious about the mindset.
 
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Those today that are so anti-immigration remind me strongly of what I recall from what ppl said in the past in negativity to the civil rights movement. here's a quote:
Yep, the neighborhood fell apart because of immigrants. So is he a patriot? Or white trash racist?
The speaking of yiddish, the kidnapping and crimes and tearing the neighborhood apart. Sounds quite similar to the anti-immigration rhetoric I'm seeing here.
 
jfuh said:
It's the much pent up anger that we as minorites get from the arrogance of the average white american.
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Source.....
Because me as an average white american has never asked anyone that question. And if you speak english I would have no idea you weren't american. So you better have a source for that comment... Hey .. I like playing you... it's fun
jfuh said:
Those that ask on meeting: "So where are you from?" Just because we have a different skin tone.
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Again source since your saying this is coming from the average white American. Or are you practicing the art of profiling and or sterotyping.
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Yet because of which, we're never accepted into mainstream society and constantly treated as second class citizens.
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Horsesh!t. Utter and complete. The opportunities are there. If you don't know the language and oir the culture then your right. You are going to be left behind. But that is not anyone else fault but there own

NO... I am asking if there is a large group of people that are threatening violence through these means in the country they are in. What is wrong with being offensive instead of waiting for soething to happen. Illegals cost this country a lot of money. I have no problem with immigration... as long as it's legal. If you cross without the right paperwork you are a criminal and should be treated as such
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I'm really curious about the mindset.
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Hope that helped

I think there are not a lot of people that are anti immigration. I think they are anti illegal immigration. There is a difference....
 
Calm2Chaos said:
Source.....
Because me as an average white american has never asked anyone that question. And if you speak english I would have no idea you weren't american. So you better have a source for that comment... Hey .. I like playing you... it's fun
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What comment? The sentence you are responding to has no comments in it. Only the pent up anger of the minorities in this country. Which I am a part of and can speak from expereince. If you want a source for that? Very well: Source
FYI, there are many other countries that do speak English, ie the English. Thus the arrogance I was refering to.

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Again source since your saying this is coming from the average white American. Or are you practicing the art of profiling and or sterotyping.
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Yes, I am profiling. I get it all the time anytime I'm in a public place speaking my native tongue. Sorry to disappoint but other than myself and my friends and family that are a minority, I have no source for this.

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Horsesh!t. Utter and complete. The opportunities are there. If you don't know the language and oir the culture then your right. You are going to be left behind. But that is not anyone else fault but there own
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No, it's not horsesh!t. Ask any minority and they will tell you the same. We are constantly treated as second class citizens. Example: The creation of affirmative action. Very much demeaning.

I don't see any illegals threatening with violence, do you? I just don't buy it. So show me your source that illegals are threatening violence.

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I think there are not a lot of people that are anti immigration. I think they are anti illegal immigration. There is a difference....
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I'm one of the anti-illegal crowd. However you do not hear me spewing "yippie language" or "illegals = crime" or other racist rhetoric. You just hear me say.
I'm against illegal immigration because it's illegal, enough said.
 
jfuh said:
I don't see any illegals threatening with violence, do you? I just don't buy it. So show me your source that illegals are threatening violence.
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I was actually almost assaulted last week because I voiced my opinion to one of the protesters at wal-mart. The first ammendment only applies if you agree with them. Seriousley though you wouldn't believe the amount of intimidation and defamation going on here against those who don't support illegal immigration.
 
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Though it's saddening that you were nearly assaulted, however, you really were asking for it. If you see a fire burning a house, do you call 911? Or do you add more fuel to the flames? You were provoking so it's no wonder, there're other methods to go about such.
Actually, I very much know what's going on in So-Cal on a first person basis. Though I oppose illegal immigration, however I also support these citizens rights to free speech.
 
jfuh said:
Wow, you post so much about me, yet you only have been on this site for so long and also, have we met?
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It doesn't take long for any newcomer to learn. The word is out.
 
jfuh said:
Though it's saddening that you were nearly assaulted, however, you really were asking for it.
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You weren't there. It's funny how you people jump to these conclusions. There were protesters blocking the parking lot in the shopping center. I walked out of the store ignoring them minding my own business. Four 18-20ish male walk by me wave flag in my face and say "viva mexico viva la raza, aztlan por vida". I respond with "viva America" so the one wearing the flag says "kayate pinche gringo" so I ask him why he has so much hate for a country that his parents fought so hard to get into and so much love for a country they fought so hard to get away from. Something must have resonated in that hollow sphere sitting on his shoulders, because he lunged foreward to give me a shove, I respond by stepping foreward onto his instep at the same second he lunges at me and down he goes on his butt. After that the immaturity of the group showed when all his friends started laughing at him. I really thought for a secont that I was going to get jumped by these guys. I guess I did the right thing though, nobody got hurt except for his cause. There were alot of people around to see what happened and I think even some of the protesters were emberassed by what he tried to do.
 
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