Long covid long vax

[Fledermaus]

There has NEVER been an mRNA vaccine before! It was developed as gene therapy for terminal cancer patients!

So what?

Billions of doses and yet no appreciable number of bodies...

It makes NO SENSE to talk about traditional vaccines, my post is about covid mRNA vaccines!

So what?

Billions of doses and yet no appreciable number of bodies...

 

[Fledermaus]

There is NO evidence that covid mortality decreased because of the vaccines!

Time to first lie. First sentence.

Covid evolved to become less serious, and most people acquired natural immunity. We have NO idea what the vaccines may have done to save lives. There was no control group, no follow up.

Ask the first person to die of Omicron strain how well natural immunity works... Oh, wait.

 

[Good4Nothin]

How about the fact that unvaccinated people were roughly TEN TIMES more likely to get hospitalized or die?
Debating you on this is useless. Your posts reflect profound ignorance of medicine-and the facts. Your posts are therefore constantly being ridiculed here and with good reason.

How is that a "fact?" What controlled research showed this?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Every vaccine has dangers. Every one.

Billions of doses and yet no appreciable number of bodies...

Some have more dangers than others. And these have unknown dangers.

 

[Good4Nothin]

So what?

Billions of doses and yet no appreciable number of bodies...



So what?

Billions of doses and yet no appreciable number of bodies...

Billions of doses with no control group or follow up. No investigation of longterm adverse effects.

 

[Good4Nothin]

People have stopped getting vaccinated because they are no longer afraid of Covid. A level of herd immunity has been reached where most people have either been infected or immunized multiple times. Furthermore the existing variants are not as lethal as some of the earlier ones. It has very little to do with imaginary side effects that you continue to whine about.
Your posts have been incredibly ignorant and short sighted. How many more people would have died of Covid had the vaccines not been fast tracked? The fact of the matter is that they have been around for a long time now and have an excellent safety profile, no matter what you think. I’d love to see you name a single vaccine in history that works 100% of the time and has no side effects.
Your constant whining about the Covid vaccines is boring.

Yes, that is true, people are no longer afraid of covid because most have had the infection and have good immunity, and the variants are much weaker. But the article I linked says covid is a FATAL DISEASE, so everyone should keep getting the boosters!!

 

[Fledermaus]

Billions of doses with no control group or follow up. No investigation of longterm adverse effects.

And yet again.... No bodies ....

Seems to be a trend.

Some have more dangers than others. And these have unknown dangers.

And yet again.... More claiming...

No supporting.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yes, that is true, people are no longer afraid of covid because most have had the infection and have good immunity, and the variants are much weaker. But the article I linked says covid is a FATAL DISEASE, so everyone should keep getting the boosters!!

People are still dying.

Therefore it is still a fatal disease.

 

[snakestretcher]

Most drugs have to be tested for more than 3 months. The covid mRNA vaccines were given to tens of thousands, but after 3 months they decided they were safe and effective, so they got rid of the control group. That 3 months was the ONLY time these vaccines were subjected to controlled study. And even in that 3 months, they were not checking whether health was damaged, aside from death.

Even the vaccine makers admitted from the beginning that longterm effects were not known. And they are still not known and not studied.

But many people, or others they know, have experienced adverse effects. So most Americans do not get the boosters any more.

If the vaccines aren't safe, where are the reports of large numbers of deaths? How do you know that checks for potential damage to health were not carried out? I suspect you pulled that little nugget out of your fundament.
Again, just because trials and development were carried out quickly, it does not follow that established clinical trial procedures and protocols were not adhered to-which appears to be the basis of your argument.
The vast majority of reported adverse events were mild; 70% of them complaining of fatigue. I get that from the annual flu shot.

 

[snakestretcher]

There is NO evidence that covid mortality decreased because of the vaccines! Covid evolved to become less serious, and most people acquired natural immunity. We have NO idea what the vaccines may have done to save lives. There was no control group, no follow up.

There is plenty of evidence, but everything in your book is either a set-up, a conspiracy, has a nefarious motive, or something is being hidden from you. Nothing will sway you from your beliefs and conspiracy theorising.

The Relationship of COVID-19 Vaccination with Mortality Among 86,732 Hospitalized Patients: Subpopulations, Patient Factors, and Changes over Time

Information on COVID-19 vaccination effects on mortality among patients hospitalized with COVID-19 could inform vaccination outreach efforts and increase understanding of patient risk.Determine the associations of vaccination status with mortality in ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Risk of death reduces after COVID-19 vaccine but protection wanes after six months

The risk of death from COVID-19 decreases significantly after vaccination but this protection diminishes after six months, providing evidence for continued booster doses, a new study has found.

www.rsm.ac.uk

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-excess-deaths-covid-19-vaccines-2024-02-06/

 

[snakestretcher]

The drug companies have no motivation to investigate the dangers of these vaccines. Of course many deaths were reported, but of course denied. And there has been very little research studying long term adverse effects. Although there is starting to be, for example the articles I posted in this thread.

There is also the fact that if the vaccines worsen existing conditions, the vaccine is not likely to be blamed. And if it causes new diseases, that might be blamed on advancing age. People don't always make the connection, and of course their doctors don't either.

But many are noticing health problems resulting from the vaccines. And that could explain why 75% of Americans have STOPPED getting them.

Lot of 'ifs' there, but no substance. I can make uneducated guesses from confirmation bias too.

Why Do We Favor Information That Confirms Our Existing Beliefs?

Confirmation bias can prevent us from considering other information when making decisions since we tend to only see factors that support our beliefs.

www.verywellmind.com

 

[Good4Nothin]

People are still dying.

Therefore it is still a fatal disease.

People die of the flu. Do we refer to it as a FATAL disease?

 

[Ethel2]

Yes, that is true, people are no longer afraid of covid because most have had the infection and have good immunity, and the variants are much weaker. But the article I linked says covid is a FATAL DISEASE, so everyone should keep getting the boosters!!

Inasmuch as people are still dying from Covid it is a disease that can be fatal.
As far as boosters go, at this point in time it’s an individual decision. If you’re high risk it might be a good idea to keep up with your shots. The benefit to lower risk people is still there but probably pretty minimal.
This was definitely not the case a few years ago.

 

[Fledermaus]

People die of the flu. Do we refer to it as a FATAL disease?

Do we?

I don't care.

COVID is still killing people.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Inasmuch as people are still dying from Covid it is a disease that can be fatal.
As far as boosters go, at this point in time it’s an individual decision. If you’re high risk it might be a good idea to keep up with your shots. The benefit to lower risk people is still there but probably pretty minimal.
This was definitely not the case a few years ago.

In 2020, no one had natural immunity to covid because it was new. Old people about to die anyway caught it and died.

There was never a risk for healthy children and young people. But the shots are recommended by the CDC for everyone down to 6 months old.

The risk of autoimmune diseases, heart disease, neurological disorders, cancer, etc., from the vaccines is still not known. The more of these shots you get, the greater the risk. The covid spike is toxic, and it is especially toxic from the vaccine because it is genetically altered and therefore unnatural.

People like you trust the experts and do not bother trying to understand how mRNA vaccines work, and how they can disrupt processes within cells and cause disease.

And, of course, the general public doesn't try to understand. If they distrust the covid vaccines it is because of what they have heard or experienced.

 

[Fledermaus]

In 2020, no one had natural immunity to covid because it was new. Old people about to die anyway caught it and died.

Not only old people.

There was never a risk for healthy children and young people. But the shots are recommended by the CDC for everyone down to 6 months old.

Because not all children are healthy. And many dies with no known comorbidities.

The risk of autoimmune diseases, heart disease, neurological disorders, cancer, etc., from the vaccines is still not known.

A pretty good calculation can be made in that billions of doses have gone out without all the issues you imagine.

The more of these shots you get, the greater the risk. The covid spike is toxic, and it is especially toxic from the vaccine because it is genetically altered and therefore unnatural

Toxic spikes....

People like you trust the experts and do not bother trying to understand how mRNA vaccines work, and how they can disrupt processes within cells and cause disease.

What disease has COVID been shown to cause that is not overshadowed by COVID numbers?

And, of course, the general public doesn't try to understand. If they distrust the covid vaccines it is because of what they have heard or experienced.

They understand that medical professionals know far more about the risks than you.

 

[Ethel2]

In 2020, no one had natural immunity to covid because it was new. Old people about to die anyway caught it and died.

There was never a risk for healthy children and young people. But the shots are recommended by the CDC for everyone down to 6 months old.

The risk of autoimmune diseases, heart disease, neurological disorders, cancer, etc., from the vaccines is still not known. The more of these shots you get, the greater the risk. The covid spike is toxic, and it is especially toxic from the vaccine because it is genetically altered and therefore unnatural.

People like you trust the experts and do not bother trying to understand how mRNA vaccines work, and how they can disrupt processes within cells and cause disease.

And, of course, the general public doesn't try to understand. If they distrust the covid vaccines it is because of what they have heard or experienced.

Another post loaded with nonsense. I will respond one more time to your nonsense and after that I will let you bray at the moon with it. Get some education about the issue.
Healthy children and young people also died from covid. Why on earth a parent would not protect their child from misery or worse with a vaccine with an excellent safety profile is beyond me. Its dumb. Now this pertains to the earlier variants that were far more virulent. In addition, with the earlier variants (and to a lesser extent with the existing variants) transmission was reduced if you are vaccinated. Therefore there is less chance of someone at higher risk contracting the virus and DYING from it. Remember: in some older adults who are immune compromised even if they get vaccinated they may not be able to generate a good immune response to the vaccine. Those people are at high risk from the idiots who refused to get vaccinated. Thats why early on vaccine mandates were enforced.
As for your uninformed assumption that only people at high risk should get vaccinated, well, guess what. Most adults (51.8%) have at least one comorbidity that places them in the high risk category. Over a quarter of adults have more than one comorbidity (see link below).
Your continued paranoid posts about the boogie man in the bushes resembling long term side effects is summarily dismissed until you can offer proof from a reliable source that these side effects are common. Of course there are some side effects. Thats true with every vaccine, but the mRNA vaccines have fewer than most.
Now for the link on comorbidities then I will end this discussion because your posts are so uninformed that they really don't deserve any more of my time:

"Data from the 2018 National Health Interview Survey (NHIS) were used to estimate percentages for US adults by selected demographic characteristics. More than half (51.8%) of adults had at least 1 of 10 selected diagnosed chronic conditions (arthritis, cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, coronary heart disease, current asthma, diabetes, hepatitis, hypertension, stroke, and weak or failing kidneys), and 27.2% of US adults had multiple chronic conditions."

Prevalence of Multiple Chronic Conditions Among US Adults, 2018

Preventing Chronic Disease (PCD) is a peer-reviewed electronic journal established by the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. PCD provides an open exchange of information and knowledge among researchers, practitioners, policy makers, and others who strive to...

www.cdc.gov

 

[year2late]

People die of the flu. Do we refer to it as a FATAL disease?

I bad flu year (unless you are way over 100 years old) is about 70 thousand dead.

Not sure you want to compare flu and covid.

Define fatal disease.

Covid carried an extremely high numbers of deaths. Nothing close to a bad flu year. But the rate of fatality was low - since so many were infected. The millions that did get ill enough to be hospitalized clogged up our nations hospitals coast to coast. People without covid died because of covid - due to poor access to care due to overburdened first responders and overburdened hospitals.

Many aggressive cancers have a high mortality rate. Does that make it fatal? Depends on the patient.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I bad flu year (unless you are way over 100 years old) is about 70 thousand dead.

Not sure you want to compare flu and covid.

Define fatal disease.

Covid carried an extremely high numbers of deaths. Nothing close to a bad flu year. But the rate of fatality was low - since so many were infected. The millions that did get ill enough to be hospitalized clogged up our nations hospitals coast to coast. People without covid died because of covid - due to poor access to care due to overburdened first responders and overburdened hospitals.

Many aggressive cancers have a high mortality rate. Does that make it fatal? Depends on the patient.

Aggressive cancer could be referred to as usually fatal.

Covid NOW is hardly ever fatal for anyone. At the beginning of the pandemic, no one had natural immunity to covid. It evolved to be less serious. Calling covid a FATAL disease now is ridiculous.

Obviously, that was in the article so it could be published in a pro-covid-vaccine journal.

Why risk getting long covid by having more and more boosters, for a disease that isn't even serious anymore? The CDC partners with the drug industry to sell drugs and make billions.

 

[Ethel2]

Aggressive cancer could be referred to as usually fatal.

Covid NOW is hardly ever fatal for anyone. At the beginning of the pandemic, no one had natural immunity to covid. It evolved to be less serious. Calling covid a FATAL disease now is ridiculous.

Obviously, that was in the article so it could be published in a pro-covid-vaccine journal.

Why risk getting long covid by having more and more boosters, for a disease that isn't even serious anymore? The CDC partners with the drug industry to sell drugs and make billions.

 

[Fledermaus]

Aggressive cancer could be referred to as usually fatal.

Covid NOW is hardly ever fatal for anyone. At the beginning of the pandemic, no one had natural immunity to covid. It evolved to be less serious. Calling covid a FATAL disease now is ridiculous.

Obviously, that was in the article so it could be published in a pro-covid-vaccine journal.

Why risk getting long covid by having more and more boosters, for a disease that isn't even serious anymore? The CDC partners with the drug industry to sell drugs and make billions.

If it is a fatal disease, it is fatal disease.....

Not sure why you can't comprehend this.

 

[Good4Nothin]

If it is a fatal disease, it is fatal disease.....

Not sure why you can't comprehend this.

People can die from the common cold. So the cold is a fatal disease? Every time you get a cold you think you're going to die?

 

[Fledermaus]

People can die from the common cold. So the cold is a fatal disease? Every time you get a cold you think you're going to die?

A fatal disease is a fatal disease.

 

[Good4Nothin]

A fatal disease is a fatal disease.

So every disease is fatal, because it is possible to die from any disease.

 

[Fledermaus]

So every disease is fatal, because it is possible to die from any disease.

Every disease....

Interesting claim.

Care to back that up?