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In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
I get what you're saying, but unless they are avenging a wrong that was done to them personally, I would think they were doing for some other larger cause, and even though their actions are alone... unsanctioned or unapproved, if you will... it's still part of that larger cause.I don't know.
I think someone can act alone but be influenced enough, by a group idea/belief/platform, that would disqualify them from the lone wolf status.
I guess, for right now, a real lone wolf to me, is someone who acts without influence.
I get what you're saying, but unless they are avenging a wrong that was done to them personally, I would think they were doing for some other larger cause, and even though their actions are alone... unsanctioned or unapproved, if you will... it's still part of that larger cause.
In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
Agree with "not legally". I would still associate them with the group, though, especially if the group had done a "call to arms" or something like that.Not legally, she isn't. She might be influenced by the group. She might have learned from the group. She might blow the same kind of people up. So she is a part of the larger problem but not of the group.
In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
Agree with "not legally". I would still associate them with the group, though, especially if the group had done a "call to arms" or something like that.
In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
A soldier is someone who is directly affiliated with an organization and who, militarily, participates in that organization's conventional warfare tactics under direct orders.In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
In YOUR mind, is a "lone wolf" terrorist who claims allegiance to an organized group part of that group?
Example: A person...
- acting alone,
- self-admittedly influenced by an organized group (ISIS, as one possibility),
- acting to further said group's goals,
- but, never met with or officially joined said group,
...part of said group?
No, I wouldn't say they are a part of that group. But they were certainly influenced by them.
At the end of the day it doesn't make a difference.
The same amount of people are dead.
I think it absolutely does make a difference. Difference in response in the future. It doesn't do any good to look at one aspect when trying to thwart another attack when the attack is coming from somewhere else.At the end of the day it doesn't make a difference.
The same amount of people are dead.
Agree with "not legally". I would still associate them with the group, though, especially if the group had done a "call to arms" or something like that.
but in this case in France there was no association, he was just a marginalized individual...it doesn't matter what he says he wasn't ISIS trained...if we start seeing them as joined to some radical group it helps nothing and overlooks the actual problem...mental illness
Mental illness seems to be an all too common excuse.
Sometimes otherwise decent people do really bad things.
In most cases, I think "mental illness" is a cop out. It's equivalent to throwing up our hands and saying, "Well, there's nothing we can do about THAT, so I guess we don't have to do anything."but in this case in France there was no association, he was just a marginalized individual...it doesn't matter what he says he wasn't ISIS trained...if we start seeing them as joined to some radical group it helps nothing and overlooks the actual problem...mental illness
mental illness is no excuse for violent behaviour and we can never allow it to become an excuse
but to minimize the reality of mental illness as the chief reason in lone wolves committing atrocities who are attached to no group means we miss an opportunity to nix the acting out
how is saying he was mentally ill a cop out....if so then saying he belonged to a group that he didn't is actually the cop out....that is throwing up our hands and doing nothingIn most cases, I think "mental illness" is a cop out. It's equivalent to throwing up our hands and saying, "Well, there's nothing we can do about THAT, so I guess we don't have to do anything."
they do yes... so?ETA: I also believe that most marginalized individuals know damn well what they're doing.
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