London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

[volsrock]

London is now more crime ridden and dangerous than New York City, with rape, robbery and violent offences far higher on this side of the Atlantic.

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest


Those gun control measures sure are doing a bang up job:lamo


Importing Muslims combined with hands off police enforcement, except for monitoring and arresting Brits for so called "hate speech",not working out so well for London.

 

[Hawkeye10]

NYC had gotten very good at policing before this new mayor, now I am not so sure:

Even after the 2016 increase, incident numbers last year remained well under 2012 levels and were flanked by other cities both above and below. Baton Rouge experienced about 938 violent crimes per 100,000 residents in 2016, compared to about 1,070 in New Orleans, 1,105 in Chicago, 719 in Los Angeles and 573 in New York City.

Rising violent crime rates preceded recent rash of homicides across city of Baton Rouge, parish | Crime/Police | theadvocate.com


I certainly expect our national trend to go only up for a good long time, we are a mess.

 

[Aristaeus]

London is now more crime ridden and dangerous than New York City, with rape, robbery and violent offences far higher on this side of the Atlantic.

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest


Those gun control measures sure are doing a bang up job:lamo


Importing Muslims combined with hands off police enforcement, except for monitoring and arresting Brits for so called "hate speech",not working out so well for London.

Difficult to compare as there will be differences in the reporting levels and how figures are collected and analysed. New York still has a higher murder rate.

Not sure why tou brought up gun control? Do you really want to campare gun crime/gun death stats? Vecause you won't win that one.

Nothing to do with Muslims and your perception of police enforcement is way off.

 

[BitterPill]

London is now more crime ridden and dangerous than New York City, with rape, robbery and violent offences far higher on this side of the Atlantic.

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest


Those gun control measures sure are doing a bang up job:lamo


Importing Muslims combined with hands off police enforcement, except for monitoring and arresting Brits for so called "hate speech",not working out so well for London.

Nevertheless, the homicide rate in London is much less than in New York, 1.6 per 100,000 to 5.6 per 100,000:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...ork-crime-free-day-deadliest-cities-worldwide

yet more evidence gun control helps.

 

[BitterPill]

NYC had gotten very good at policing before this new mayor, now I am not so sure:

Rising violent crime rates preceded recent rash of homicides across city of Baton Rouge, parish | Crime/Police | theadvocate.com


I certainly expect our national trend to go only up for a good long time, we are a mess.

From my linked article:

New York City's violent crime rate has not been particularly high in recent years, but few expected the news that not a single incident was reported for the entirety of Monday.​

I guess that's last Monday. Don't know what to think of that.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Before you pop the champagne bottles, you're still dramatically more likely to be murdered in NYC than London, and based on your logic we can only assume its because of the filthy violent protestant Christians we allowed immigrate here. America is for native Americans, these white European immigrants do not share our values. OUT OUT OUT!

 

[BitterPill]

Before you pop the champagne bottles, you're still dramatically more likely to be murdered in NYC than London, and based on your logic we can only assume its because of the filthy violent protestant Christians we allowed immigrate here. America is for native Americans, these white European immigrants do not share our values. OUT OUT OUT!

It seems you live in Europe, so if you're going for sarcastic irony, that's pretty good.

I'll buy it.

 

[davidgarcia]

The article indicates the patrolling of police being more often than before and not about gun control measures. Nevertheless, it is difficult to say that the one city is more secured than the other since the crime rates are still extremely significant

 

[RabidAlpaca]

It seems you live in Europe, so if you're going for sarcastic irony, that's pretty good.

I'll buy it.

I figure if we're blaming immigrants for all the crime rates nice atheist immigrants like me are why Europe is so safe and protestant Christian immigrants are why the US is so incredibly violent.

Won't someone please think of the children and get them out?

 

[BitterPill]

I figure if we're blaming immigrants for all the crime rates nice atheist immigrants like me are why Europe is so safe and protestant Christian immigrants are why the US is so incredibly violent.

Truth is, the US doesn't appear to have appreciably more violent criminal acts, fewer in fact, than Britain, just more violent incidents where someone is shot:

Types of Violent Crime

The US has a very specific brand of violence. Perhaps our criminals are just more motivated than the rest of the world, or perhaps having a firearm for every man, woman or child in America ups the ante in confrontations. Either way, the involvement of guns in violent crime (and the defense against violent crime) is a decidedly American phenomena amongst developed nations.

With gun restrictions making it harder to obtain private weapons in the UK, violent crimes involving guns have greatly decreased. The number of total violent crimes, however, is almost double that of the US. Of those crimes, only 19% even involve a weapon, and only 5% of those involve a firearm. That means that of you’re roughly 1/100 chance of being involved in a violent crime in Britain and Wales in any given year, you have roughly a 1/10,000 chance of being in a violent crime involving a gun.

In the US your chances of being involved in a violent crime are less than 1/250.

Alternately, in the US your chances of being involved in a violent crime are less than 1/250. Of those involved with violent crimes, however, you have greater than a 1/10,000 chance of being involved in a violent crime involving a gun. In a country with less than half the violent crime, you have a greater chance of being the victim of a violent crime involving a gun.

Here’s where gun control advocates would say that the proliferation of easily available and private firearms enable gun crimes. This is also where gun rights advocates would point to the much lower violent crime rate in a similarly governed and wealthy nation. In a way, they’re both right. Much as the US is both in line with other developed nations on violent crime, and an outlier–with several cities more dangerous than anywhere in Europe or Asia–violent crime in America is as sprawling as the opportunities to commit crime.​

The British seem a rather violent lot. Good thing they don't have an overabundance of firearms like we do.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Truth is, the US doesn't appear to have appreciably more violent criminal acts, fewer in fact, than Britain, just more violent incidents where someone is shot:

Types of Violent Crime
The US has a very specific brand of violence. Perhaps our criminals are just more motivated than the rest of the world, or perhaps having a firearm for every man, woman or child in America ups the ante in confrontations. Either way, the involvement of guns in violent crime (and the defense against violent crime) is a decidedly American phenomena amongst developed nations.
With gun restrictions making it harder to obtain private weapons in the UK, violent crimes involving guns have greatly decreased. The number of total violent crimes, however, is almost double that of the US. Of those crimes, only 19% even involve a weapon, and only 5% of those involve a firearm. That means that of you’re roughly 1/100 chance of being involved in a violent crime in Britain and Wales in any given year, you have roughly a 1/10,000 chance of being in a violent crime involving a gun.
In the US your chances of being involved in a violent crime are less than 1/250.
Alternately, in the US your chances of being involved in a violent crime are less than 1/250. Of those involved with violent crimes, however, you have greater than a 1/10,000 chance of being involved in a violent crime involving a gun. In a country with less than half the violent crime, you have a greater chance of being the victim of a violent crime involving a gun.
Here’s where gun control advocates would say that the proliferation of easily available and private firearms enable gun crimes. This is also where gun rights advocates would point to the much lower violent crime rate in a similarly governed and wealthy nation. In a way, they’re both right. Much as the US is both in line with other developed nations on violent crime, and an outlier–with several cities more dangerous than anywhere in Europe or Asia–violent crime in America is as sprawling as the opportunities to commit crime.​

The British seem a rather violent lot. Good thing they don't have an overabundance of firearms like we do.

Jesus H. Christ is this dishonest. You just post some nonsense chart without a source or a definition of violent crime then try to turn the US's higher crime rate into a positive with "Perhaps our criminals are just more motivated than the rest of the world." :roll:

Here are some actual, real statistics:

Murder rate per 100k people: List of countries by intentional homicide rate
US - 4.88
UK - 0.92

So you're about 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US.

Rape rate per 100k people: Rape statistics by country
US - 27.3
UK -17

And about 60% more likely to be raped. There is no comparison when you look at the actual statistics and not an unsourced, cherry-picked blog.

 

[joG]

Nevertheless, the homicide rate in London is much less than in New York, 1.6 per 100,000 to 5.6 per 100,000:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...ork-crime-free-day-deadliest-cities-worldwide

yet more evidence gun control helps.

How high is the homicide rate by ethnicity or race? I suspect that Americans of Vietnamese decent are way less prone to homicide than the Brits.

 

[BitterPill]

Jesus H. Christ is this dishonest. You just post some nonsense chart without a source or a definition of violent crime then try to turn the US's higher crime rate into a positive with "Perhaps our criminals are just more motivated than the rest of the world." :roll:

That's not entirely true. The data in the link I proffered comes from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).

Here are some actual, real statistics:

Murder rate per 100k people: List of countries by intentional homicide rate
US - 4.88
UK - 0.92

So you're about 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US.

Rape rate per 100k people: Rape statistics by country
US - 27.3
UK -17

And about 60% more likely to be raped. There is no comparison when you look at the actual statistics and not an unsourced, cherry-picked blog.

That's a fine kettle of fish. You accuse my source that uses UN data of being 'an unsourced, cherry-picked blog,' yet you offer Wiki.

In any case, I stand by the UN data.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Regardless of the geography, the culture is changing.

I would rather discuss the root causes and how to fix the violence problem.

NYC and London get show cased here, but there are hundreds of cities with a violence problem.

 

[BitterPill]

How high is the homicide rate by ethnicity or race? I suspect that Americans of Vietnamese decent are way less prone to homicide than the Brits.

I'm not sure if the UN data includes ethnicity or race in its homicide statistics:

The many faces of homicide

Based on elements including premeditation, motivation, context, instrumentality and the relationship between victim and perpetrator, this study identifies three distinct homicide typologies in order to shed light on different types of lethal violence:

A classification of intentional homicide

​

https://www.unodc.org/gsh/en/many-faces-of-homicide.html

 

[RabidAlpaca]

That's not entirely true. The data in the link I proffered comes from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).
That's a fine kettle of fish. You accuse my source that uses UN data of being an 'unsourced, cherry-picked blog,' yet you offer Wiki.
In any case, I stand by the UN data.

Your first little infographic didn't have a source, and it attempts to dramatically misrepresent the data. It doesn't even compare the same things on both sides of the chart. Let's take a look at YOUR LINK at the UNODC here then:

Homicide rate per 100k people by country -

UK - 1.0
Denmark - 0.8
Germany - 0.8
France - 1.2
Romania - 1.5
Poland - 1.2
US - 4.7

There is no country in western Europe that comes anywhere near the US in murder rate or violent crime, not even close. If you've formulated the thesis that Europe is actually more dangerous, post the link here, point directly to the data and explain it, like I just did.

 

[BitterPill]

Your first little infographic didn't have a source, and it attempts to dramatically misrepresent the data. Let's take a look at YOUR LINK at the UNODC here then:

Homicide rate per 100k people by country -

UK - 1.0
Denmark - 0.8
Germany - 0.8
France - 1.2
Romania - 1.5
Poland - 1.2
US - 4.7

There is no country in western Europe that comes anywhere near the US in murder rate or violent crime, not even close. If you've formulated the thesis that Europe is actually more dangerous, post the link here, point directly to the data and explain it, like I just did.

My apology for omitting a link to my source. I am usually quite meticulous about providing links to sourced material for this very reason - I get called on it and have to apologize. Also, I don't ever use Wiki as a source though it can be useful for finding other more reliable sources:

https://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/violent-crime-us-abroad/

Nevertheless, there is still more violent crime in Britain per capita than in the US, but I'm not saying Europe is more dangerous vis-a-vis homicide. The opposite seems to be born-out by the data; our criminals are much more likely to use a firearm than criminals in Britain or Europe for that matter.

 

[PeteEU]

For the love of god.. not this BS again. Guess The grand baby in the White House tweeting bull**** again stirred up this false news yet again.

It comes down to definitions.

Violent crimes are defined by the FBI as the following.. Murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
Violent crimes in the UK are defined as the following.. all crimes against a person, including simple assaults, all robberies, and ALL sexual assaults...

So there is a HUGE difference in the statistical definitions of violent crime. So in the UK Harvey Wienstien and Trump groping women is a violent crime.. in the US it is not. Harvey and Trump raping women without force is not a violent crime in the US, but it is in the UK.

 

[PeteEU]

That's not entirely true. The data in the link I proffered comes from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).



That's a fine kettle of fish. You accuse my source that uses UN data of being 'an unsourced, cherry-picked blog,' yet you offer Wiki.

In any case, I stand by the UN data.

Careful on comparing rape statistics. UN data has a huge disclaimer on the website, saying that the reporting and definition in the legal system influence the statistics massively.

For example, in the US the FBI defines forcible rape as a violent crime... all other types are not a violent crime. The UK defines all types of rape as a violent crime.

Or in some US states, marital rape is not illegal, but it is in Europe. In Sweden looking wrong at a woman can get a rape accusation. In the US and even the UK (I think), if a woman is raped 10 times by the same man, it is still counted as one rape. In Sweden it would be counted as 10 rapes. That kinda skews the statistics big time no?

 

[PeteEU]

My apology for omitting a link to my source. I am usually quite meticulous about providing links to sourced material for this very reason - I get called on it and have to apologize. Also, I don't ever use Wiki as a source though it can be useful for finding other more reliable sources:

https://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/violent-crime-us-abroad/

Nevertheless, there is still more violent crime in Britain per capita than in the US, but I'm not saying Europe is more dangerous vis-a-vis homicide. The opposite seems to be born-out by the data; our criminals are much more likely to use a firearm than criminals in Britain or Europe for that matter.

As pointed out... no. Violent crime definitions vary vastly, so hard to compare. You need to add a lot of "non violent" crime to the stats in the US to get to the same definition as the UK violent crime statistics.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Difficult to compare as there will be differences in the reporting levels and how figures are collected and analysed. New York still has a higher murder rate.

Not sure why tou brought up gun control? Do you really want to campare gun crime/gun death stats? Vecause you won't win that one.

Nothing to do with Muslims and your perception of police enforcement is way off.

Interesting you should bring that up, because in the US, typically the highest gun crime areas also have the strictest gun control.

Trump may be partially correct in that an increase in radical Muslim immigrants have contributed to an increase in some of the crime London is seeing, including rape, but NYC also has some gun restrictions, although that doesn't seem to stop the criminals.

People are afraid to look too closely at correlations these days. They're afraid they might appear to be racist or bigoted.

 

[BitterPill]

For the love of god.. not this BS again. Guess The grand baby in the White House tweeting bull**** again stirred up this false news yet again.

It comes down to definitions.

Violent crimes are defined by the FBI as the following.. Murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
Violent crimes in the UK are defined as the following.. all crimes against a person, including simple assaults, all robberies, and ALL sexual assaults...

So there is a HUGE difference in the statistical definitions of violent crime. So in the UK Harvey Wienstien and Trump groping women is a violent crime.. in the US it is not. Harvey and Trump raping women without force is not a violent crime in the US, but it is in the UK.

That would be easy to figure. Simply use either the US or UK definition for the crimes and crunch the numbers.

I'll put you in charge of that, and don't let me down.

 

[PeteEU]

That would be easy to figure. Simply use either the US or UK definition for the crimes and crunch the numbers.

I'll put you in charge of that, and don't let me down.

HA! no way, got a life! (okay not...) Not even sure the FBI bothers with non-violent crime stats.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

My apology for omitting a link to my source. I am usually quite meticulous about providing links to sourced material for this very reason - I get called on it and have to apologize. Also, I don't ever use Wiki as a source though it can be useful for finding other more reliable sources:
https://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/violent-crime-us-abroad/
Nevertheless, there is still more violent crime in Britain per capita than in the US, but I'm not saying Europe is more dangerous vis-a-vis homicide. The opposite seems to be born-out by the data; our criminals are much more likely to use a firearm than criminals in Britain or Europe for that matter.

You literally just posted a blog, and the blog lists no sources for any of its claims throughout the text, it just adds a few generic links at the bottom like OECD.org - OECD, as if we're supposed to go rustle through that entire collection of data to find the data he's using to form his fallacious conclusions. Did you give up on the UNODC data after I showed you it supports my position and not yours? How is "violent crime" defined and where is the data showing it's higher anywhere in Europe? It obviously isn't murder, rape or anything else, I assume he included bicycle theft or something inane as violent crime in order to boost the numbers.

So by all means, point to any metric whatsoever that shows anywhere in western Europe is more dangerous than the US. You're making up excuses to avoid admitting that we have a problem.

For the love of god.. not this BS again. Guess The grand baby in the White House tweeting bull**** again stirred up this false news yet again.

It comes down to definitions.

Violent crimes are defined by the FBI as the following.. Murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault.
Violent crimes in the UK are defined as the following.. all crimes against a person, including simple assaults, all robberies, and ALL sexual assaults...

So there is a HUGE difference in the statistical definitions of violent crime. So in the UK Harvey Wienstien and Trump groping women is a violent crime.. in the US it is not. Harvey and Trump raping women without force is not a violent crime in the US, but it is in the UK.

This. If you compare any of the major violent crime types, murder, rape, assault, etc. the US will be worse off in every single category.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Careful on comparing rape statistics. UN data has a huge disclaimer on the website, saying that the reporting and definition in the legal system influence the statistics massively.

For example, in the US the FBI defines forcible rape as a violent crime... all other types are not a violent crime. The UK defines all types of rape as a violent crime.

Or in some US states, marital rape is not illegal, but it is in Europe. In Sweden looking wrong at a woman can get a rape accusation. In the US and even the UK (I think), if a woman is raped 10 times by the same man, it is still counted as one rape. In Sweden it would be counted as 10 rapes. That kinda skews the statistics big time no?

While that's true, the OP does not assert that rape-reporting in London has changed so they are still showing large uptick in rape -- the way they report it. That uptick correlates with a very large increase in Muslim immigration into London, and although they do not have evidence of actual causation, there is reason to look into the correlation. They should also determine whether there are other correlations and look into those.