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Live Thread for Super Tuesday Democratic Primaries News and Results

When I started making predictions (I had a thread with some big calculations) I said I expected the final balance of the night to be a Sanders victory with and advantage of 100 delegates over Biden.

Even though most people are calling this a big night for Biden, I think once California speaks, we may still get to something like that: Sanders with 100 more delegates, all 12 states considered.

But the thing is, subsequent calculations for all the other March races, made me end with the idea that by the end of March Biden would reverse Bernie's advantage and might be some 20 delegates ahead.

I'm still kind of behind my predictions. We'll see.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I'm thinking...

What if these people would get together... Joe would say, "well, what we want is to beat Trump. So even though we are ideologically very different, the need to win makes strange bedfellows. So, Bernie, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." And Bernie would say "good deal, I'll accept, and I say the same, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." "Deal, I'll accept it too."

I think a Bernie-Biden or a Biden-Bernie ticket would beat Trump, because both the moderates and the progressives would vote for the ticket, and progressives + moderates are more numerous in this country than conservatives.

Very strange? Yes. Far-fetched? Yes. Almost impossible to happen? Probably...

But, what if??
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That actually seems pretty logical.
I think a younger---relatively speaking---veep would be a better idea...at this point, who knows?
 
swing_voter said:
I get the feeling Trump is toast.

Too many people tired of his BS.

Biden will win.
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I'm thinking, so. But still, the electoral map swing-states' demographics are very much in Trump's favor.
 
GreatNews2night said:
You are putting Biden down on a night when he overperformed all expectations in the South and the NE. That's how you're sticking your head in the sand.
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Overperformed in the South? Did we really expect the South to vote for a socialist over a centrist?
 
GreatNews2night said:
I'm thinking...

What if these people would get together... Joe would say, "well, what we want is to beat Trump. So even though we are ideologically very different, the need to win makes strange bedfellows. So, Bernie, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." And Bernie would say "good deal, I'll accept, and I say the same, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." "Deal, I'll accept it too."

I think a Bernie-Biden or a Biden-Bernie ticket would beat Trump, because both the moderates and the progressives would vote for the ticket, and progressives + moderates are more numerous in this country than conservatives.

Very strange? Yes. Far-fetched? Yes. Almost impossible to happen? Probably...

But, what if??
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No chance.

Bernie hates the Democrat party just as much as he hates the Republicans.

He's only interested in pushing his ideology until his final breath.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Well, one would hope that the POTUS would be protected, just like he is protected if there is an attack. If the POTUS needs to wear a hazmat suit for the duration of the pandemic, so be it.
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How will he campaign/do his rallies?
 
Linc said:
Universally-hated centrist? Are you seriously a Sanders supporter? No one hates Biden, but you’re a poor messenger for Sanders. You’re nothing more than a trump supporter in disguise.
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Lol, yes a Trump supporter in disguise. Have you read my posts on Trump for the last 5-6 years? :lamo
 
Chomsky said:
FYI - Arlington Heights Hospital has their 3rd case of COVID-19.
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Three at the same place?

And that scares me because if anyone is gonna screw up infection precautions, its gonna be Northwest Community Hospital.

Not the sharpest tools in the shed, from my experience.
 
MovingPictures said:
I feel ya', but the reality is that Sanders is simply not seen as a viable alternative to establishment candidates, pure and simple.

There is a way to shake up the party, but Sanders platform just ain't it.
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The same was being said about Trump.
 
radioman said:
That might be interesting.
Many Trump supporters think the coronavirus is a hoax.
If DJT showed up at a rally in a hazmat suit, I wonder how these folks would react?
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LOL, it would be extremely funny. And given that Trump is a germophobe, not excluded.
 
Chomsky said:
How will he campaign/do his rallies?
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I'm not thinking just Trump, I'm thinking if this thing flares up again in the Fall, and we get old men Sanders or Biden as POTUS... the Secret Service would have an interest in protecting the POTUS from the virus.
 
Erod said:
Biden is like McCain, Romney, or Kerry.

Just safe in a field of blah.
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After 4 years of Trump, many of us can use a little of that 'blah'. We're tired of constant turmoil. The "No Drama Obama" era looks pretty good now, in retrospect.
 
Chomsky said:
Charlie Baker may be the last of the now extinct breed - the Rockefeller Republican! (AKA moderate Northeast Republicans)

Besides the party difference, they weren't much different than the J.F.K. Democrats. Back when the parties met in the middle to move the country forward. I'd give anything to go back to those days ...
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I was in college and rotc while JFK was Potus. I supported Goldwater in '64 yet by 1968 I voted for Humphrey. Voted McGovern in '72 etc.

My MA Gov. Charlie Baker as a 21st century Republican makes the Rockefeller Republican party look like rightwingers. Charlie Baker is very easy to recognize as a 21st century Northeast Republican -- open, accessible, responsive to the popular opinion and will regardless of party, fair minded, competent and effective, personable and a regular guy which the Rockefeller Republicans were not. Baker is a non ideological doer who values defense, national security and bipartisan, consensus international relations.

That is, Baker is a new breed of 21st century NE Republican, not the last of a now extinct breed. He's consolidated what his Republican MA predecessor governors pioneered, John Volpe, Frank Sargent then Bill Weld especially, and Mitt Romney. FYI I voted for for 'em all for governor except for Romney which is a faux pas I regret; no regrets however that I didn't vote for Romney against Sen. Kennedy and didn't vote for Romney for Potus; voted twice for Charlie Baker. Of course, I approve of Romney as US Senator from Utah.

NBC said just now MA went for Biden which surprises me not at all or in the least bit. While I wasn't going to predict it I fully expected it.
 
RCP has already called all races except Texas and Maine.

Vermont, Utah, Colorado and California for Sanders. All the others for Biden. Texas and Maine too close to call.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I'm thinking...

What if these people would get together... Joe would say, "well, what we want is to beat Trump. So even though we are ideologically very different, the need to win makes strange bedfellows. So, Bernie, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." And Bernie would say "good deal, I'll accept, and I say the same, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." "Deal, I'll accept it too."

I think a Bernie-Biden or a Biden-Bernie ticket would beat Trump, because both the moderates and the progressives would vote for the ticket, and progressives + moderates are more numerous in this country than conservatives.

Very strange? Yes. Far-fetched? Yes. Almost impossible to happen? Probably...

But, what if??
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What’s the over under on a team like that both finishing a four year term? At 78, life expectancy is about 8 years. Eyeballing it, that means its probably 50:50 one will die in the next four years, and thats not even considering what post MI mortality might be for Bernie.

I think we can say an 8 year term is pretty much out of the question.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I'm thinking...

What if these people would get together... Joe would say, "well, what we want is to beat Trump. So even though we are ideologically very different, the need to win makes strange bedfellows. So, Bernie, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." And Bernie would say "good deal, I'll accept, and I say the same, if I win, I'll invite you to be my veep." "Deal, I'll accept it too."

I think a Bernie-Biden or a Biden-Bernie ticket would beat Trump, because both the moderates and the progressives would vote for the ticket, and progressives + moderates are more numerous in this country than conservatives.

Very strange? Yes. Far-fetched? Yes. Almost impossible to happen? Probably...

But, what if??
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Nope. An old veep, to old to run for the top job 8 years later, is not the way to go. Not at all.
 
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

Biden took MA!
 
Vegas betting odds for the nomination are now showing 63.1% for Biden, 34% for Bernie. A reversal of what they were showing last week.
 
GreatNews2night said:
What? YOU said that FL, NC, and VA didn't really matter because of WI and MI... YOU don't seem to know what swing states are, and you don't seem to grasp the math for the EC... and YOU are the one LOL'ing? Amazing.

I was just giving you an example of the MATH, genius! YOU said nobody was talking of FL and NC... I showed to you that if those swing states had found differently, the math would have been different.

Are you taking this as some sort of support for Hillary? I hate Hillary! And again, I voted for Bernie and will vote for him again in November if he is the nominee.

Look, fellow, you are too clueless. I lost my patience with you. Welcome to my Ignore list. Have a nice life. :2wave:
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...And nobody was talking about FL and NC, because MI and WI were the states Hillary should have won. The working class in those states are sick of neoliberal policies. But go ahead and add me to the ignore list if it makes your ego feel better. :2wave:
 
btthegreat said:
I like a Biden Warren ticket right now. She wants something that she is hanging around for.
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I can't see them together. Biden needs someone younger, a female, and many people like the idea of a female of color. Whoever he chooses, they better be dynamic.

I think a Bernie and Warren ticket is more likely.
 
Chomsky said:
Nope. An old veep, to old to run for the top job 8 years later, is not the way to go. Not at all.
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I know, their age would be a problem... but if the goal is to kick out Trump, short of Michelle Obama running (won't happen), it would be the second biggest sure thing. But I'm not proposing it as something realistic... just daydreaming. I know it won't happen.

Again, probably, if Biden wins, he will get Stacey Abrams as veep. Bernie should, too, but I'm less sure he'd invite her.
 
btthegreat said:
I think we have learned a few things since then about the risks when you vote for 'anti-establishment' candidates.
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Anti-establishment candidate is one thing, bat-**** crazy anti-establishment candidate is another.
 
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