Live discussion of Robert Mueller's testimoony today - hopefully respectful

[Josie]

Oh please....:lamo

I agree. Grasping at straws. This isn't good for the Dems and I bet most of them are facepalming right now hoping it ends quickly.

 

[Pound4abrown]

He won't be. JMO.

He can be, and we already suspected it (but now Mueller confirmed it). But it won't happen.

People who complained about the Clintons being above the law more than likely won't complain about Trump being above the law.

I agree with you. I don't think any POTUS, ever will ever go to jail. Just don't see it happening.

 

[tres borrachos]

I'm not sure if that is the smart move because Trump and his cultists will spin it into some grand conspiracy theory. I think the Dems just need to get someone moderate up there, who is well spoken, and they just need to highlight the continued list of Trumps....trumpisms.

The Mueller thing is getting played out and tired. Trump is the OJ President. We all know he did it, but we can't quite nail him in a court of law. So might as well move on, he'll do something else in the future.

This entire testimony makes both Trump and Barr look bad. Trump's base won't care. The left already hates him. It's all about the middle.

 

[cabse5]

Rep. Lieu: "The reason again that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting President, correct?"

Mueller: "That is correct."

The entertainment and fireworks over Mueller's testimony is here, on DP. Of course, we're more expertise and intelligent than those on capitol hill.

 

[Ikari]

I agree with you. I don't think any POTUS, ever will ever go to jail. Just don't see it happening.

Oh goodness no. No side wants to open up the Accountability can of worms. They've all done stuff that could get them in trouble, and if they start up that....they're all toast.

They just want the headlines and the talking points so they can point fingers and pretend to be different.

 

[ocean515]

Trump is ****ed. This testimony will be brought in front of a federal judge. The judge will have abundant reasons to conclude that Congressional investigations into obstruction of justice should move forward. Subsequently, Congress will have the authority granted to them by a federal judge, to compel witnesses to appear and give testimony without having the authority to claim executive privilege.

Fine. Let the circus continue. After all, that was the strategy that appears to have been adopted when it became clear the President didn't collude with Russia.

Any port in the storm, right? Any means necessary, right?

 

[Common Sense 1]

Muller is going to have a answer for this? Did he lie about it?


Ryan Saavedra
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BREAKING: A joint statement from the DOJ and the SC's office says that Barr's remark that Mueller repeatedly affirmed that he was *not* saying that Trump would have been charged with obstruction if he was not president, does *not* contradict what Mueller said today.
4:27 PM - 29 May 2019


Ryan Saavedra on Twitter: "BREAKING: A joint statement from the DOJ and the SC's office says that Barr's remark that Mueller repeatedly affirmed that he was *not* saying that Trump would have been charged with obstruction if he was not president, does *not* contradict what Mueller said today.… https://t.co/vn1tNFikJX"

 

[Pound4abrown]

Oh goodness no. No side wants to open up the Accountability can of worms. They've all done stuff that could get them in trouble, and if they start up that....they're all toast.

They just want the headlines and the talking points so they can point fingers and pretend to be different.

Word.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Congressman Reschenthaler brought fought some interesting facts into the nature of the investigation.

 

[tres borrachos]

I agree with you. I don't think any POTUS, ever will ever go to jail. Just don't see it happening.

Never in my lifetime will that happen.

Trump is no exception. He isn't going to be charged. We all know now that Mueller thinks he's guilty of obstruction, but Trump won't be charged. Clinton won't be charged for anything. Neither will Obama. Ever.

 

[ocean515]

I agree. Grasping at straws. This isn't good for the Dems and I bet most of them are facepalming right now hoping it ends quickly.

The Dems wrote a script and developed a singular agreed to strategy. Not a good plan when the train has left the tracks.

 

[Ikari]

This entire testimony makes both Trump and Barr look bad. Trump's base won't care. The left already hates him. It's all about the middle.

It is all about the middle, but I'm not sure this is something that will swing one any more than already. Perhaps, if for some reason there have been folk not paying attention to any of this before who are now suddenly paying attention. I think the Dems already will have an easier time with the middle this next go around since we've now seen Trump. I think he turned off a lot of the middle quickly. So something as contentious and unproductive as the Mueller thing I don't think will sway them much more. It will be more about the candidate they choose and how they present the whole of the Trump presidency and his unending series of buffoonish blunders.

 

[Taylor]

Could.

Mueller couldn't possibly answer "would".

As a hypothetical - would you have charged if he wasn't a sitting president? We already know that people who are sitting presidents can be charged.

 

[Irwin Corey]

The entertainment and fireworks over Mueller's testimony is here, on DP. Of course, we're more expertise and intelligent than those on capitol hill.

You can't be more expertise.

 

[Pound4abrown]

I love how a former Jag officer, just told a decorated war veteran his actions while doing his job was un-American.
Law and order party my ass.

 

[jmotivator]

Guess we'll need a clearer and more complete mandate from Bill Barr investigating interference in the 2016 election...

Well, the interesting thing, to me, is that while there are reasons to fault much of Mueller's doddering testimony and seeming obliviousness to the report he signed his name to, it is very possible that the active investigations into the handling of the Hillary case and the IG investigation into the FBI handling of the Russia investigation would prohibit Mueller from answering questions.

 

[tres borrachos]

It is all about the middle, but I'm not sure this is something that will swing one any more than already. Perhaps, if for some reason there have been folk not paying attention to any of this before who are now suddenly paying attention. I think the Dems already will have an easier time with the middle this next go around since we've now seen Trump. I think he turned off a lot of the middle quickly. So something as contentious and unproductive as the Mueller thing I don't think will sway them much more. It will be more about the candidate they choose and how they present the whole of the Trump presidency and his unending series of buffoonish blunders.

I completely agree. And I suspect most people in the middle already think Trump is a disaster, which explains his terrible polls in this "terrific" economy. He can't get the middle on board. And i think this hearing will make it a little bit harder.

The Dems need talking points, and Mueller has basically handed them to them. But the Dems have a history of idiocy (look at their 2016 candidate) so who knows if they will smartly capitalize on Mueller's words. Time will tell.

 

[jmotivator]

I love how a former Jag officer, just told a decorated war veteran his actions while doing his job was un-American.
Law and order party my ass.

So, what are your opinions of decorated war veteran General Michael Flynn? :roll:

 

[tres borrachos]

As a hypothetical - would you have charged if he wasn't a sitting president? We already know that people who are sitting presidents can be charged.

Not sure I understand your question. I'm not in a position to charge anyone for anything?

 

[Common Sense 1]

Confused-Looking Mueller Repeatedly Asks for Questions To Be Repeated

Montage: Confused-Looking Mueller Repeatedly Asks for Questions To Be Repeated :: Grabien News

Former Special Counsel Robert Mueller frequently appeared confused during his much-anticipated Capitol Hill testimony Wednesday.

Mueller, who is often celebrated in the media for laser-like thinking, had to ask lawmakers to regularly repeat their questions, seemingly struggling to pay attention.

At other points, Mueller got confused about whether the members of Congress were asking him questions or if they were reading from his own report.

In just the first 90 minutes of the hearing, Mueller needed help understanding questions more than 10 times.

In one such exchange, Mueller, under questioning from Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wisc.), asked: “And where are you reading from on that?”

“I’m reading from my own question” the lawmaker reminded him.

“Then can you repeat it?” Mueller asked, eliciting laughter from the audience.

Montage: Confused-Looking Mueller Repeatedly Asks for Questions To Be Repeated :: Grabien News

 

[jmotivator]

I also am wondering if he knew the democrat questions in advance. He seemed more prepared for those, yet was flat footed when asked questions by Republicans.

He democrat legal team headed by Weissman would have done his briefing.

He absolutely does. It has already been reported that Mueller was part of closed door discussions with the Democrats in the lead up to the hearing.

 

[Integrityrespec]

Mueller isn't the least bit intimidated. Nor should he be. He's there to answer the questions that are asked of him, and so far, that's what he's done.

Except most answers are "I can't get into that".

 

[Ikari]

I completely agree. And I suspect most people in the middle already think Trump is a disaster, which explains his terrible polls in this "terrific" economy. He can't get the middle on board. And i think this hearing will make it a little bit harder.

The Dems need talking points, and Mueller has basically handed them to them. But the Dems have a history of idiocy (look at their 2016 candidate) so who knows if they will smartly capitalize on Mueller's words. Time will tell.

Unfortunately true. The Dems don't always play it smart, and this rise of the far-left ideology I think isn't helping their branding right now either.

But we shall see what happens. If the Dems are smart, I don't think they'll have an issue sweeping through the Presidency nor the Congress come 2020. Though I don't really expect them to be smart about it.

 

[jmotivator]

The Dems wrote a script and developed a singular agreed to strategy. Not a good plan when the train has left the tracks.

I am just laughing at the stories from earlier in the week that the Democrats have been running mock trials all week preparing for Jim Jordan... not only were they not prepared for Rep. Jordan, they are getting the beat down from everyone with an R after their name.

 

[HumblePi]

Or, in Trump's case, you regard integrity as a sign of weakness to be exploited.

That's absolutely true. Trump lying isn't a new revelation to anyone, but understanding that he's been a pathological liar from a young age helps clarify the fact that his perception of lying is far different than what it actually is for normal people. For him, lying is merely a tool he's used all his life to get what he wants, there is no morality or sense of right or wrong associated with it.