LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***[W:1213]

[Renae]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Public/private ownership of firearms is a constitutional right subject to government regulation. What that regulation may be is the question. I favor universal background checks, limited magazine capacity, certain ammo types, and more.

Yeah which would do dick to stop the lat few school shooting, but hey, you'll feel like you did something good, and when shootings still happen you'll demand more measures. We get it.

 

[Renae]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

So you respond to an accusation of posting right wing propaganda by posting even more right wing propaganda. Wonderful!

That word you use, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Why don't you ask the Mayor of London? I mean seriously the price of freedom has always been high. We as Americans learned this during the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWI, WWII and many criminal and terrorist acts over the years. I am not putting down England in any way. They however do not have the same population make up etc. So it's easy for people like you to sit back and armchair quarterback.

FBI data and studies by the University of California, show that since 1800 London has had a murder rate per person of between half and a 20th of New York’s. Looking at 2017, the homicide rate per 100,000 population stood at 1.2 in London and 3.4 in New York.

 

[leekohler2]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

FBI data and studies by the University of California, show that since 1800 London has had a murder rate per person of between half and a 20th of New York’s. Looking at 2017, the homicide rate per 100,000 population stood at 1.2 in London and 3.4 in New York.

They don't like facts. You're going to make them very angry now.

 

[leekohler2]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

That word you use, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Yes it does, Renae. It means exactly what he thinks it means.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

That word you use, it doesn't mean what you think it means.

You really think so?

prop·a·gan·da
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noun
1.
derogatory
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

Seems to me that the shoe fits.

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

I stil ldo not understand your basic premise that being on Social Security threatened ones right to own a firearm. What is the evidence for this claim?

Stop being coy. If someone has had any mental flags in their previous medical records...no matter what the status, they can be denied their 2A rights. I dont know if there is any process for them to challenge this. It's pretty ****ty, even if there is, since we're talking about generally lower socio-economic demographics if they depend on the $. It's discrimination without any due process.

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Nope, only those that are deemed incapable of being the SS payee (require a representative SS payee). The idea being that if one is deemed incapable of handling their finances then they should be deemed incapable of handling a gun.

Ah that was it! I had used an example with this for vets before but forgot the foundation.

 

[justabubba]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***

So seriously is scores of dead and wounded school children each year just simply 'the price of freedom'?

what is your solution to prevent future shootings

 

[justabubba]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Stop being coy. If someone has had any mental flags in their previous medical records...no matter what the status, they can be denied their 2A rights. I dont know if there is any process for them to challenge this. It's pretty ****ty, even if there is, since we're talking about generally lower socio-economic demographics if they depend on the $. It's discrimination without any due process.

why would a person without the mental competence to handle their own financial affairs then be found competent to handle a firearm

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

So are you against security measures being implimented in all schools?
What about educating students on what to look for with troubled students, and a way to deal with it?
What in your Opinion should trump or a future Dem, do exactly?

That stuff is fine and I'd add more to resolve bullying, but we need to FIX the PROBLEM: males that cant handle rejection, failure, resentment, disappointment, jealousy, etc.

We need to figure out how and why our society is now creating so many of theses losers. That is what they are: losers. In the past, losers grew up and often had the last laugh...most of these kids arent of low intelligence. This new set of losers now seems to get older but *not grow up* and then we end up with the mass shooters who seem to have exactly the same issues and motives.

Let's face it...there are probably hundreds of thousands of these losers in our society and even tho they're not blowing away people, they're damaging society from whereever they are: they are negative, bitter, people that will take out their misery on their girlfriends, wives, kids, dogs, people in traffic (road rage?), at work, etc et c etc. We're only noticing the ones that get *publicly and massively violent.*

 

[Renae]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Yes it does, Renae. It means exactly what he thinks it means.

Trying to discredit the views and opinions of those that disagree with you as "propaganda" is both intellectually lazy and dishonest. And he's using it incorrectly as my views are not biased, misleading or derogatory. He, and you, just lack the debate chops to discuss the issue on merit.

 

[Lursa]

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Just because laws cannot prevent every single crime is no reason not to have them in place to reduce the overall level of crime.

It shouldnt be done at the expense of the law-abiding. That's punishment.

Where are your proposed solutions?

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***

Guns are licensed and should not be licensed without passing certain training. This reduces accidents.

Please provide sources that prove that. You're already wrong in that most states do not license firearms.

That training reduces accidents.

And again, you didnt even acknowledge that training has no affect on gun crime or other deliberate shootings. It is not a solution to school shootings.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Hmmm....Let's see.... I somehow took your code? LOL! Are you saying I hacked you or something. You just launched into being a Looney Tunes cartoon character.

No. You removed the BB code so I would not be notified, just like you did this time.

And I will point out that you should be about last person to be pointing out anything to anyone. Believe me.

Hmmm... More ad hominems. The thread is not about me.

And around and around the circle we go!

So in other words? Yep, you still got nothing.

Don't want to take responsibility for be accountable for your actions. Maybe you should move to Texas then. Dismiss yourself!

Yes that's what it is. It could not have anything to do with you being wrong about the law in Texas, and instead of asking for clarification, post nonsense and try to hide your responses. No that could not be it. :roll:

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

How many innocent deaths make the cost prohibitive?

I'm interested in the answer to that question too.

And then we can apply it to deaths on our roads. And then see what additional safety measures we can take to prevent them.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

False. the regulations bluesmoke proposed such as limiting magazine capacities, banning certain types of assault weapons, weapon configurations and ammo could have made a big difference in shootings such Columbine and Florida.

OHMIGAWD....

You are literally clueless...arent you?

Parkland Florida...the shooter used 10 round magazines...not high capacity magazines. Columbine HS...the HIGHEST capacity rifles used was a Hi Point 995 Carbine...a 9mm pistol caliber rifle with a 9 round magazine. 9. The shooters also used double barrel shotguns and handguns.

See...this is the problem. You prattle on about **** you dont know about and then wonder why people oppose calls to ban guns and pass new laws.

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

That's because he's a gun owner, not a gun nut.

This probably deserves a thread of it's own, but I'm just going to post it here.



The officers arrived in 4 minutes.

Trained, seasoned officers yet he still killed 10. So tell me again how underpaid, overworked armed teachers is the answer.

Well they cant save everyone and I dont recommend it for anyone not voluntarily interested and committed but they could save the kids in their classrooms.

 

[nota bene]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Well I take it people trusted the system back then. If a few people were assholes you still had the whole system to fall back on. Now days its just a buncha people trying to collect their paycheck, with a few good adults who try hard but cant beat "the system" and not even the kids trust "the system".

This doesn't explain at all how an individual makes the decision to kill classmates or strangers.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

FBI data and studies by the University of California, show that since 1800 London has had a murder rate per person of between half and a 20th of New York’s. Looking at 2017, the homicide rate per 100,000 population stood at 1.2 in London and 3.4 in New York.

What part of this...

I mean seriously the price of freedom has always been high. We as Americans learned this during the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWI, WWII and many criminal and terrorist acts over the years. I am not putting down England in any way. They however do not have the same population make up etc. So it's easy for people like you to sit back and armchair quarterback. - Black Dog

Do you need explained in detail?

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

False. the regulations bluesmoke proposed such as limiting magazine capacities, banning certain types of assault weapons, weapon configurations and ammo could have made a big difference in shootings such Columbine and Florida.

High cap mags arent going anywhere, they'd just get them on the black market...only 'criminals' will have high cap magazines.

There are plenty in circulation now. I can also tell you why that's proposal has the potential for real harm for the law-abiding but doubt you're interested in that.

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Yeah which would do dick to stop the lat few school shooting, but hey, you'll feel like you did something good, and when shootings still happen you'll demand more measures. We get it.

I HATE useless, feel-good legislation.

Complete garbage that makes low-information Americans feel better.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS***[W:13]***

So seriously is scores of dead and wounded school children each year just simply 'the price of freedom'?

Scores of dead school children? Where the hell did you come up with that nonsense? School shootings do not even make up 1% of gun crime according to the FBI. The lions share belong to black kids being killed in the inner city by gangs. Where is your outrage for that?

 

[Atomic Kid]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

Trying to discredit the views and opinions of those that disagree with you as "propaganda" is both intellectually lazy and dishonest. And he's using it incorrectly as my views are not biased, misleading or derogatory. He, and you, just lack the debate chops to discuss the issue on merit.

Your views are based on talking points of the far right that are purposely misleading and biased. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/same-girl-crying-now-oregon/

One of the common conspiracy themes that gained traction after the Newtown shooting involved “crisis actors,” individuals who had (to that point) been primarily known to populate disaster drills. As the notion of gun grabbing conspiracies became more commonplace, the term was appropriated by folks who believed the faces of those grieving at (staged) shooting scenes or subsequent vigils were in fact paid government operatives assigned to fabricate the appearance of mourning. A common iteration of the rumor involved photographs taken at crime scenes or vigils in Newtown (Connecticut), Aurora (Colorado), Boston:

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/02/no-crisis-actors-parkland-florida/

Conspiracy theorists are undercutting that message by questioning whether some of the students actually attend Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. They claim the teens are really “crisis actors” paid by liberal activists, that they are part of a “deep state” conspiracy involving CNN and the FBI, or that one of the most outspoken students is actually a 28-year-old man who was arrested in South Carolina.

Facebook users have flagged as potentially false several variations of stories advancing those claims, and readers have asked us about them, as well. They are not true.

Conspiracy theories like these often fester in shadowy parts of the internet — on extremist blogs or websites — but these particular rumors got extra exposure when they were highlighted by public figures and amplified on social media with the help of Russian bots.

 

[Lursa]

Re: LIVE COVERAGE: Active shooter in custody at Santa Fe HS

why would a person without the mental competence to handle their own financial affairs then be found competent to handle a firearm

It's a freakin' headache....it's easy to make math mistakes. I do, I've always been lousy at math.

Just because someone has chosen to have someone with more experience handling their financial affairs, which get complicated with retirement funds, health insurance, other public assistance that must be accounted for, etc etc etc. is no reason to believe they cant function just fine in society. Many have been having family members or paying for that assistance pre-SS.

If we assume like you do, we should be removing their driving privileges too. Should that be done? I mean, they are way more likely to be out on the roads, making quick decisions, than needing their firearms daily.