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Our 'Alamo' is currently occupied by 'family'. Im really not thinking about getting into a sustained firefight with a whole lot of people. I dont see that as a winning scenario. If we need to go full on survivalist mode each pack has several thousand rounds of 22lr ammo, 1 case of 45 ammo and some fishing gear, along with a good assortment of supplies that you would need to basically go cold weather camping and live for a good while in the mountains. A quick stop at the gun case on the way out and there are several Ruger 10/22s and a few MK2s, and for a bit more punch 45 carbines and 45 handguns (I'm a big fan of weapons redundancy).
I stress...I am not all that concerned about a worst case scenario. Big cities...maybe...but I think a lot of them have the potential on their current path to end up like Detroit already without a catastrophic 'push'.
Read Bill Fortschen's One Second After.
I'm not interested in survival at all costs, but this is a middle-aged perspective.
I'm not exactly a prepper but I too bought a Ruger 10/22 and have a few thousand rounds of ammo for it. You can kill anything with a 22 from a mouse to a moose. That kid that died in Alaska that was trying to live off the land killed a moose with his 22. I agree if things went bad the cities would get the worst the quickest and I think the farther out in the sticks you are the better off you would be. Once the people in the cities cannibalized each other there would not be any gasoline to get to far away from large urban areas and most country people already hunt, garden etc so there would be far more cooperation and far less crime.
I don't care if the power goes out just so the cable does not
I'm not exactly a prepper but I too bought a Ruger 10/22 and have a few thousand rounds of ammo for it. You can kill anything with a 22 from a mouse to a moose. That kid that died in Alaska that was trying to live off the land killed a moose with his 22. I agree if things went bad the cities would get the worst the quickest and I think the farther out in the sticks you are the better off you would be. Once the people in the cities cannibalized each other there would not be any gasoline to get to far away from large urban areas and most country people already hunt, garden etc so there would be far more cooperation and far less crime.
I've already answered this post, but I had another thought. I don't have enough ammunition. Or enough guns.
It's not beyond the realm of possibility that power grids could be taken out by terrorists that would put us in the dark for 4-5 months. That's reality. If that ever happened, we would quickly revert to survival of the fittest. Bullets would count.
I'd really prefer civilization be maintained, of course. One likes being able to go out for Chinese or Mexican on the weekend, and not getting shot at too often. :mrgreen:
When my Mom was alive, I had plans to take care of her. Had an Oxygen concentrator for her (she was on the stuff full time), a generator and other backup power to run it, stocked up on her meds, etc.
No plans to bug out... I live in a semi-rural area on the old family farm, in most scenarios I'm well-placed to stay put.
However if it came to having to bug out, it would likely have become impossible to keep her alive. She would NOT have wanted me and my son to sacrifice ourselves for her... her life was nearing its end and she knew that, she would not have wanted us to stay behind to die with her if it came to that.
Just as I wouldn't want my son to stay and die with me, if I was unable to keep up, and if he could continue on by himself and live.
Hard choices.... another good reason why I'd prefer to stick with civilization if possible.
Obviously I prefer civilization remain as well.
That's great you had a plan for your mom and good you had a place to be.
My elders are spread from coast to coast and down south to the bottom of California. Only my parents are in range here. There is no feasible plan for all to survive.
The idea that it would be entertaining for civilization to collapse, is beyond my understanding. One has only to look to countries like Syria, Somalia, Darfur to see how really exciting chaos is.
Sorry, I'm such a wet blanket. LOL
Oh there's no question it would suck.
Now, I like end-of-civilization books and movies and discussions because I am facinated by human behavior in situations where all the existing rules and structure and support are stripped away. There are people who have told me plainly that the minute there's no more grocery store and no more law and order, they're going total amoral bandit at once. There are other people who will try to continue to behave according to the rules of civilized behavior regardless of the circumstances. Then you have others who will adapt and alter their behavior... but who will resist sacrificing their core principles and fundamental morals strongly. I think the latter group has the best chance of survival for various reasons.
However, even though I could be referred to as a "prepper" of sorts (argh, what a hideous term to be stuck with), I most emphatically do NOT wish anything of the TEOTWAWKI variety to actually HAPPEN. There's no question it would suck... and even for the well-prepared survival is hardly assured.
It's a reliable weapon, dead nuts accurate, and while it isnt exactly a man stopper, I wouldn't want to get peppered by one.
We have some rather substantial ordinance at the ranch. I just really don't think we'll ever have to use it. I very much hope not.
Oh there's no question it would suck.
Now, I like end-of-civilization books and movies and discussions because I am facinated by human behavior in situations where all the existing rules and structure and support are stripped away. There are people who have told me plainly that the minute there's no more grocery store and no more law and order, they're going total amoral bandit at once. There are other people who will try to continue to behave according to the rules of civilized behavior regardless of the circumstances. Then you have others who will adapt and alter their behavior... but who will resist sacrificing their core principles and fundamental morals strongly. I think the latter group has the best chance of survival for various reasons.
However, even though I could be referred to as a "prepper" of sorts (argh, what a hideous term to be stuck with), I most emphatically do NOT wish anything of the TEOTWAWKI variety to actually HAPPEN. There's no question it would suck... and even for the well-prepared survival is hardly assured.
I agree, the discussion is interesting to me too. I've seen a fair number of TEOTWAWKI (terrific way to say it) movies and "enjoyed" them. I just wouldn't want to live through them.
Human nature is very fascinating. I think those willing to keep to core principles would have a greater chance, too. We survived to this point owing to a sense of community and rules of conduct. Anarchy didn't get us here, that's for sure. That's my reasoning.
EMP is a real threat and would have significant repercussions. However, several things heavily mitigate that threat.
1: Lack of availability of missiles that could deliver an such a pulse.
2: EMP shielding is effective and relatively cheap. Most key facilities have it.
3: robust contingency plans that the government has to restore key services.
America—at all levels of governance—is unprepared for an EMP attack. Despite the clear recommendations of both the 2004 and 2008 EMP Commissions, U.S. government agencies have not taken planning for their response to an EMP attack out of the theoretical stages. This is especially alarming considering the official consensus on the severity of the threat and on appropriate solutions as articulated by the EMP Commission, the other aforementioned commissions, and the overwhelming majority of the expert community. DHS and DOE have both independently identified the United States’ vulnerability to an EMP attack, but have neither created emergency management plans nor taken action to better protect critical U.S. infrastructure from attack. DOD has begun to adopt the recommendations of the 2004 EMP Commission, but U.S. forces still remain vulnerable. State and local governments remain unaware and unprepared for the threat of an EMP attack.
I think the perfect weapon for such a scenario would be a bow and arrow. Quiet so it doesn't attract unwanted attention, yet accurate and can shoot pretty long distances (like up to 50-60 yards pretty accurately if you're good). The only problem with it is that it is kind of large and bulky. Hmmmm.
Arrows don't well withstand multiple uses. I used to bowhunt...but I wouldn't want to trust my life to one for defensive purposes or hunting.
EMP is a real threat and would have significant repercussions. However, several things heavily mitigate that threat.
1: Lack of availability of missiles that could deliver an such a pulse.
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I am reading a book by James Wesley Rawles, Patriot. It is about the collapse of society and a group of survivalist fighting off roving gangs of looters. The picture he paints is very dark with prisons emptied out and no rule of law. The survivalist stay locked in a steel shuttered house filled with food and water and watch the world around them collapse in riots, rape robbery and murder. I just started the book and it may have a happy ending but it makes me wonder if things got that bad would I even want to survive. So I ask the question of you guys, survive or die, which is preferable?
By the way James has an interesting survival blog. SurvivalBlog.com
If anarchy becomes the norm, first thing we should do is kill all the violent felons right in the prisons....
I'd wanna survive. I hope I get to see this day. Yay anarchy and lawlessness.
Arrows don't well withstand multiple uses. I used to bowhunt...but I wouldn't want to trust my life to one for defensive purposes or hunting.
A) The newer carbon arrows are much more durable than the old aluminums.
B)In honing my (and others) skills I/we handmade bows using simple hand tools; axe, knife, sand/rocks (for sanding) and sinew for strings. We fashioned arrows from river cane, fletched with turkey feathers and tipped with knapped flint heads…one of my ‘crew’ was successful in harvesting a deer but the rest of us lost interest…but we ALL (4) did make weapons that were deadly enough...when the bullets/powder runs out one must be prepared...it still beats a spear.
Our 'Alamo' is currently occupied by 'family'. Im really not thinking about getting into a sustained firefight with a whole lot of people. I dont see that as a winning scenario. If we need to go full on survivalist mode each pack has several thousand rounds of 22lr ammo, 1 case of 45 ammo and some fishing gear, along with a good assortment of supplies that you would need to basically go cold weather camping and live for a good while in the mountains. A quick stop at the gun case on the way out and there are several Ruger 10/22s and a few MK2s, and for a bit more punch 45 carbines and 45 handguns (I'm a big fan of weapons redundancy).
I stress...I am not all that concerned about a worst case scenario. Big cities...maybe...but I think a lot of them have the potential on their current path to end up like Detroit already without a catastrophic 'push'.
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