List of Anti-Gun NY Assembly members

[DemonMyst]

its so obvious that dm's main goal is to hassle honest gun owners.

Ok?? How does it do that?? Do you have evidense?? Any logic to base your view on?? Well?? Let's hear it..

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

Is this an intelligent comment or are you just trying to be funny??



Most criminals are stupid.. Which is the largest reason they get got.. In most cases, any gun used in a crime hasn't been modified.. zz

Well, since almost all criminals are using a stolen gun in the first place, they're not really likely to care much if the original owner gets tagged with the crime they commit, right?

And criminals aren't so stupid that when they finally have to shoot someone with a gun they hang onto it. In Los Angeles, depending on the value of the peice, it's usually tossed in the bay or the river, or sold anonymously after being thoroughly wiped, inside and out.

I doesn't hinder anyone from by a gun in the least, and nobody has any proof that it will increase cost..

Either stop being stupid or stop pretending everyone else is stupid. The added technology is always added cost, and simple economics says that added cost always reduces demand, ie, fewer people will buy guns.

Welcome to the real world.

I am all for law abiding citizens having guns.. That doesn't mean we need to make them easy for criminals to get in the process.. That is simply stupid..

Nothing that's been recommended on this thread stops any criminal from getting a gun, including this silly microstamping tech.

The arguement of 'It doesn't say who fired the weapon is stupid and you obviously missed the point here.. The point is to determine the weapon used in the crime.. Finger prints and DNA and powerder burns can do the rest..

Gee, you're assuming the registered owner of the gun still knows where it is. And the Mayor has never heard of a successful DNA test on a shell casing. Can you explain when that technology became popular....er possible?

This isn't a fool proof thing.. But nothing is.. My only claim is that it could help and therefor should be supported..

No, it's a waste of time and it's clear the purpose of promoting this technology has nothing to do with crime control.

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

Dude!! Up until my post!! You thought the modification was done to the bullet casing?? How many criminals do you think will actually look this stuff up or go through the hassle of it?? You didn't didn't even do it to appear intelligent on an internet forum.. Most weapons used in crime don't have their serial numbers filed off and that doesn't even require taking the gun apart.. So you can't make the assumption that they will disassemble a gun and file the firing pin.. How many criminals do you think have the time or the know how to even take a gun apart?? Did Jerad Laughner do it?? You seem to think all criminals are like these movie intelligent criminals with all this highteh crap.. Seriously?? Look at the population of our prisons?? What do you think the average IQ is of the people there?? Why don't you watch a weekend full of 'Lockup' on television to get an idea.. If you weren't smart enough to look it up and find out what microstamping casings meant.. What makes you think people that commit crimes will??

Then again, the force with which the serial numbers are stamped into the metal leaves readable strain patterns deep below the serial numbers themselves and these can be read in the lab to some degree of reliability.

They can't contaminate anything because it shows that the bullet was fired from a specific gun.. It helps identify the murder weapon the weapon used in a crime.. Sure it may point to the lawful owner of a gun.. So what?? Fingerprints and other evidence would also point to someone else.. The issue is, identifying the gun that fired the bullet..

Anyone worried about microstamping will take the two minutes to police their brass, if they don't have a makeshift brass catcher to go with their makeshift silencer.

Why shouldn't the guns be required to be equipped with GPS transponders that signal to a recording authority when and where every shot is fired?

Why not make it mandatory that all firearms be signature firearms, useable only by registered owners? That way we'll be sure criminals don't get any new guns...

...won't stop them from using any one of a hundred million old-tech guns in the country, though.

Kinda pointless to put ridiculous mandates on new guns when the old guns can't be forced to undergo a retrofit. It should make you wonder what the real agenda is, since the stated agenda is not consistent with logic.

 

[jamesrage]

It shows what weapon fired the bullet.

This does not in any shape or form prove who fired the weapon.

. Duh.. You can't tell who fired a weapon until you know which weapon was fired. Duh!!

Even if you know what weapon fired the bullet you still do not know who fired it.

Well since it requires a microscope to see.

If it micro stamps the firing pin then I do not need to see it in order to file it off.

. How easy do you really think it is??

A diamond coated file that can be purchased at any hardware store

Who is going to have the fine tools??

Lowes, Home Depot, Harbor Frieght and any other hardware store. Diamond coated files a cheap.
Search results for: 'diamond file'

If most criminals don't even file the guns serial number??

How many criminals are caught because the police traced a serial number? Besides that a serial number proves ownership not usage.

What makes you think they are going to take the time and effort to take a gun apart to look at the firing pin in a microscope to see if it is a number stamp on it?? Duh!!

Wouldn't it be just easier to assume every gun and rifle suspect and just take a diamond coated file to the tip of the firing pin?

Not to easily.. I don't know of to many stores that simply stock parts like that for walk in sales..

Why not? Parts wear our,break or simply get lost.Why would a gun store not sell any spare parts?

Most criminals won't make the effort of taking a gun apart and replacing a part and then putting it back together before they shoot someone..

If you fire a gun enough times then you do have to disassemble a gun and clean it.

I am also sure that someone has thought of your arguement and anyone that sells firing pins only sells one that are also stamped.

Why would they only sell pins that are stamped if there is no law yet requiring microstamping?

As a requirement for purchase the gun owner must show the gun it is going to be put into, show the shop have a record of the number on the pin being sold for a gun with whatever serial number

I am no expert but couldn't I just tell the store clerk what kind of firing pin I need?

.. They have been using gun barrels for years to match bullets to guns.. I haven't seen to many cases of people replacing their gun barrels have you??

Doesn't ballistics testing only work if you have the firearm?

According to the article I pasted.. Yes.. It has to in order to put the number on the spent casing..

Casings themselves can be reloaded.

Never claimed it did.. It matches a bullet to a specific gun.. This isn't rocket science dude.. Why don't you take the time to do some research.. You clearly have no understanding of the topic at hand..

How does this prove who FIRED the gun?

Really how so?? For long time now, investigators would use the marks left on a bullet to match the barrel of a gun.. That in many cases isn't reliable as the bullent can be deformed after being fired.. Putting a number on each casing the gun fires, matched to the gun itself serves the same purpose.. How does that not help??

Matching a bullet to the gun that fired it does not prove who fired it.

I have already addressed all three of these issues.. I don't what it is about this topic that baffles you.. Where did anyone say it would positively identify who fired the weapon??

The argument behind any anti-2nd amendment law is that it prevents crime or solves crimes.

Do you read at all or do you just make this stuff up??

Even your article said that microstamping can easily be defeated by filing the numbers off.

Well.. You didn't look it up before you went off babbling about recycled casings.

I am no expert but I do bother to do a little research.

Reloading Your Own Cartriges/shells. - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

How to Reload a Metallic Cartridge - wikiHow
Rifle Cartridge Reloading--Getting Started

Anti-Gun Micro-Stamping Bills to be Heard in NY
Fact: Reloaded ammo (which is extremely common due to the economics of recycling casings and home reloading tools) will make prosecuting cases nearly impossible once the “reloaded ammo” defense is raised. A case may have two or more markings, making the final shooter impossible to identify.

So I guess that settles that eh?? Nobody made the claim that a finger print on the casing would prove who loaded it.. Making more stuff up??As fo number 3?? Your the best example to destroy your own arguement.. You weren't smart enough to look it up and educate yourself about it..

The more and more you type the more you look uneducated on firearms.

Do you actually think a criminal is going to look it up??

If it becomes law why wouldn't it just be easier to assuming every firing pin has a microstamp on in and just file of a small section? I do not think a microstamp would go that deep in a firing pin, so its not like you have have to go really deep to file off the numbers.

What makes you think a criminal is going to set up shop to take a gun apart,

If he wants to keep his gun in working order after a lot of usage then he has to take it apart in order to clean it so that it will properly fire. taking a firearm apart is not that hard.

look at the firing pin through a microscope to see of there is a number on it.

It would easier just to assume every firing pin has a microstamp on and just file off a small micro layer.

Then gently file it down with a really small file.. Because filing to much away may cause the gun not to fire.

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I can't imagine that you would need to file that much in order to a inversed/reversed microstamp from a firing pin.

Which would mean he would have to go out and buy a new gun an attempt the process all over again.Using your logic!! This law is an awsome idea!! Criminals will be to busy filling down firing pins and destroying the gun itself, and repeating the process.. They would never actually get to committing crimes..

Actually if he actually did screw up he would just need to purchase another firing pin, they are inexpensive parts.
Anti-Gun Micro-Stamping Bills to be Heard in NY MICROSTAMPING Background:
Microstamping is a proposed means for imprinting unique serial numbers onto cartridges fired from a gun. Similar to “ballistic fingerprinting,” it allegedly helps police identify what firearm might have been used in a crime. Microstamping uses precision equipment to remove microscopic amounts of metal from the tip of the firing pin

Myth: Independent testing by forensic technologists shows the technology is reliable

Fact: Firing pins are readily removable and swappable in most models of handguns, and inexpensive replacement parts. Criminals who file down serial numbers on the sides of guns won’t hesitate to file or exchange firing pins.

Fact: 46% of impressions ranked as “unsatisfactory” (i.e., illegible) after only ten rounds.127

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Myth: Filing the firing pin will make the gun inoperable

Fact: Firing pins are designed to be pushed deeply into the primer (igniter) of the round. The depth of the engraving (approximately 0.005 inch)128 is vastly smaller than the tolerance of the firing pins drive depth.

Fact: In a test, the engravings were removed using a 50-year-old knife sharpening stone in less than a minute. The firearm still operated correctly after the filing.129

You have no data on how it will increase cost.. Nor do you have any data on how it will solve or prevent crimes.. So your thoughts there are simply bogus.. You are simply blowing smoke because you truely don't understand this law, nor do you understand what impacts it can or will have..

Anti-Gun Micro-Stamping Bills to be Heard in NY

Fact: The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the representative for firearm manufactures, estimates the cost will be upwards of $150 per firearm, more than tripling the price of self-protection and making it unaffordable for low-income people.

As far as solving crimes?? Good luck counting that one.. Millions?? More??

If that was true then the media would be all over that a like fat bitch on a twinkie and there would be statistics.

In the end, as a registered gun owner and a law abiding citizen.

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Most likely the only gun you probably have says Crossman or Daisy on it.

I don't view it as a violation of my rights to make me jump through some hoops in order to own a gun.

Owning a gun does not make you a 2nd amendment proponent. What makes you a 2nd amendment opponent is the fact you would support these hoops the government is illegally making you jump through in order to exercise your 2nd amendment rights.

I have nothing to hide, they can do all the background checks all they want.. I fail to see why others complain about it..

Should you have to pass a government background check to buy paper,ink, computer, bible, camera, cellphone or anything else to exercise your first amendment rights?

If it all helps keeps guns out of the hands of criminals..

You are either a a liar or delusional if you think anti-2nd amendment laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

I am all for it.. If making it harder for them, makes it a little harder for me.. Then I am all for it..

Of course you are for making it hard for the law abiding to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

I don't know why any law abiding citizen wouldn't be all for it.

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How about the fact it is plain as day written in the US constitution "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."?

Microstamping is a simple thing..

Microstamping is a scheme to increase the cost of firearms thus making it more expensive and thus harder for Americans to exercise their constitutional right to keep and bear arms and a backdoor firearms registry.

I see no downside to it..

Most 2nd amendment opponents don't.

Even if it costs a few extra dollars to buy a gun..

More than a few extra bucks.
Anti-Gun Micro-Stamping Bills to be Heard in NY
Fact: The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the representative for firearm manufactures, estimates the cost will be upwards of $150 per firearm, more than tripling the price of self-protection and making it unaffordable for low-income people.

In many respects I would want my guns to have it, it will also prove the reverse.. My weapons weren't used in a crime.. So really there is no downside here..

Firing pins are interchangeable with the same model of gun. For example a AR-15 firing pin will go into another AR-15 firing pin. If someone steals your casings, gun,switches it or the firing pin itself it will be a downside to you. After all a lot of criminals use stolen guns.

 

[DemonMyst]

Well, since almost all criminals are using a stolen gun in the first place, they're not really likely to care much if the original owner gets tagged with the crime they commit, right?

Actually no.. That is not true at all.. Jared Laughner bought his gun.. As well as his extended clips and his ammo.. You are also forgetting that any moron can go to a gun show and walk out with a pickup full of weapons without giving anyone so much as a name.. So no.. While in some cases the weapon is stolen.. It is by no means the majority.. Please supply some supporting data.. Otherwise your claim is simply false..

Stolen guns are a source of weapons for criminals

All stolen guns are available to criminals by definition. Recent studies of adult and juvenile offenders show that many have either stolen a firearm or kept, sold, or traded a stolen firearm.

According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence. Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.

Studies of adult and juvenile offenders that the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services conducted in 1992 and 1993 found that 15% of the adult offenders and 19% of the juvenile offenders had stolen guns; 16% of the adults and 24% of the juveniles had kept a stolen gun; and 20% of the adults and 30% of the juveniles had sold or traded a stolen gun.

From a sample of juvenile inmates in four States, Sheley and Wright found that more than 50% had stolen a gun at least once in their lives and 24% had stolen their most recently obtained handgun. They concluded that theft and burglary were the original, not always the proximate, source of many guns acquired by the juveniles.

Guns Used In Crime, Feature Articles- FirearmsID.com

Well.. So much for that eh??

And criminals aren't so stupid that when they finally have to shoot someone with a gun they hang onto it. In Los Angeles, depending on the value of the peice, it's usually tossed in the bay or the river, or sold anonymously after being thoroughly wiped, inside and out.

Well this comment is essentially meaningless.. How does this have any bearing on a criminal being smart enough to look up microstamping on the internet or taking a gun apart to look for a microscopic number on the firing pin.. Or in your case, actually take the time to look up what percent of gun crimes are committed with stolen guns.. As you can see, it isn't anything close to almost all now is it??

Either stop being stupid or stop pretending everyone else is stupid. The added technology is always added cost, and simple economics says that added cost always reduces demand, ie, fewer people will buy guns.

Why don't you go look in the mirror and say that Mr. almost all gun crimes are commited with stolen guns!! You don't even know what your talking about.. So stop making yourself look stupid to everyone else and do some research for a change.. So it will add some cost to the gun.. Do you have any clue how much?? Hell no!! You didn't even know how many stolen guns are used in crimes.. An extra $20 dollars on a gun that costs $200 or more isn't going to change much.. But before you have a cow over the economics of the whole thing.. Why don't you get some hard data and actually see if you have something to complain about.. Again, research!!

Welcome to the real world. Nothing that's been recommended on this thread stops any criminal from getting a gun, including this silly microstamping tech.

Yes welcome to the real world.. To bad it seems to baffle you.. There is nothing in the thread that was meant to prevent someone from getting a gun.. Like this silly microstamping stuff.. It wasn't supposed to prevent it either.. All it was supposed to do was to help identify a specific gun that was used in a specific crime.. It is a lot easier to solve a crime involving a gun when you know for certian which gun was used in the crime.. Can anyone argue that?? Absolutely not..

Gee, you're assuming the registered owner of the gun still knows where it is. And the Mayor has never heard of a successful DNA test on a shell casing. Can you explain when that technology became popular....er possible?

Sure.. As soon as you show me where I said that DNA was taken off a shell casing?? Read much?? Cause I never made such a claim.. So how can I answer such a stupid question of you aren't even going to take the time to read what someone actually said.. Fingerprints come off of shell casings.. But even that has no bearing on the reasoning behind the microstamping.. It is simply meant to match bullet to gun.. That is it.. This isn't rocket science.. You don't need to be a genius to figure this out.. Come on now..

No, it's a waste of time and it's clear the purpose of promoting this technology has nothing to do with crime control.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it a waste of time.. It is obvious that you don't undstand it..

 

[DemonMyst]

This does not in any shape or form prove who fired the weapon.

Well.. Nobody ever made the claim it would.. So I fail to see why you gun nuts keep bringing this up..

As for the rest of your post.. Not much to respond to.. I will say that even if a person reloads a cartridge, it will be stamped each time it is fired.. So it would still be possible to tell which weapon it was fired from.. But now you have to ask yourself, how many crimes are committed with recycled cartridges?? Until you figure that out, you might have a point.. But I can tell you it is pretty close to 0%.. Which makes your comments a moot issue..

If you don't agree with the bill then fine.. That is your right.. But so far, none of you have come up with a viable or logical reason against it.. None of you have.. I will give you props though.. You at least tried to get some real data.. But you simply failed miserably.. Nothing in your post shows real world data??

Will the stamping help investigators identify the guns used in crimes?? I fail to see how one more tool in their shed to indentify a gun is a bad thing.. And that is the arguement everyone and including you has failed to make.. If you have hard evidence that it won't help.. Fine.. Let's see it.. Otherwise all you are doing is blowing smoke and showing just how baffled you are over this issue..

 

[DemonMyst]

Look you guys.. This issue isn't that hard.. I don't know why so many of you are making it harder than it is..

The point behind stamping the bullet casings was to match bullet to gun.. It isn't supposed to magically tell investigators who the murderer is.. So constantly asking about who the shooter is, is simply rediculous.. It was never meant to give information on the shooter..

A shell casing is found at the seen of the crime, if it is stamped, it will help identify what weapon fired that bullet.. That is all it will do.. Nothing more.. Ok??

As for cost?? I can't imagine stamping the pins is going to be an overly expensive process.. You also don't know if the government is going to subsidize the cost, or if it will truly be passed on to us the consumer.. If it is passed on to us, how much is that going to add to cost?? You can also by pins as a part.. They are going to have to be stamped too.. How much will it add to the cost of the individual pins.. I am guessing not that much.. In either case.. If you are going to make the case of how it will effect the gun market economy.. Then you all need to get some hard data and some numbers.. Such as cost, any subsidies, or any other factors that need to be considered..

Criminals.. It was never claimed that it couldn't be filed off.. And the fact that it can is simply irrelevent.. If they file it off before they shoot someone?? So what?? If they don't then that is good to.. Who really freaken cares?? Most likely most criminals simply won't take the time to take a gun apart file a pin and then put it back together before they go rob a bank.. Do you think Jared Laughner would have filed his gun?? Do you think a terrorist is going to file a pin?? Most criminals don't even file off the serial number.. They only do that if the gun is stolen.. Which as I have shown most guns used in crimes are not.. The fact of the issue here is that this arguement is based on to many variables.. It is impossible to tell how many will or won't file the pin before using it in a crime.. So that makes the entire point about it criminals a moot issue.. Until I made my initial post in this thread.. Most of you didn't even know what microstamping was.. What makes you think criminals are going to know.. Sure.. In time.. After Law and Order uses it in a few episodes, they may think to look and possibly file.. That is of course they even take the time..

What you all need to understand is that there really isn't much to argue about here.. Can you show or make a viable arguement that microstamping a firing pin is a bad thing and will do more harm than good?? Until that arguement is made and proven viable, there isn't much anyone can say agaisnt this.. This is just another tool in the shed for investigators to help solve crimes..

Locks can be picked, but I am sure you all still use them to lock your doors, your cars, your valuables.. If they can simply be picked, then why bother?? Kinda stupid eh?? If criminals can file the pins, then why bother?? Yes.. It is stupid..

 

[TurtleDude]

Ok?? How does it do that?? Do you have evidense?? Any logic to base your view on?? Well?? Let's hear it..

you want to increase the costa of gun ownership

QED

 

[jamesrage]

Look you guys.. This issue isn't that hard.. I don't know why so many of you are making it harder than it is..

The point behind stamping the bullet casings was to match bullet to gun.. It isn't supposed to magically tell investigators who the murderer is.. So constantly asking about who the shooter is, is simply rediculous.. It was never meant to give information on the shooter.. .
A shell casing is found at the seen of the crime, if it is stamped, it will help identify what weapon fired that bullet.. That is all it will do.. Nothing more.. Ok??

Ballistics testing can match the bullet to the gun and is not so easily or cheaply defeated as micro-stamping. The only valid reason for micro-stamping is to purposely increase the prices.

As for cost?? I can't imagine stamping the pins is going to be an overly expensive process..

Something that adds a different sequential number microstamped to the end of a firing pin

You also don't know if the government is going to subsidize the cost,

Why would the same people trying to **** on the 2nd amendment subsidize something they want to keep out of the hands of citizens?

or if it will truly be passed on to us the consumer.

Its a added cost to manufacturing and doing business. So why would it not be passed onto the consumer?

If it is passed on to us, how much is that going to add to cost??

If a company is pushing for this then it must be very profitable therefor noticible to the consumer.

You can also by pins as a part..They are going to have to be stamped too.. How much will it add to the cost of the individual pins.. I am guessing not that much.. In either case.. If you are going to make the case of how it will effect the gun market economy.. Then you all need to get some hard data and some numbers.. Such as cost, any subsidies, or any other factors that need to be considered..

It must be very profitable is a company is actually proposing micro stamping.

Criminals..

Crminals the same people most of whom are probably repeat offenders and therefore are not going to walk into a store to purchase a firearm.

It was never claimed that it couldn't be filed off.. And the fact that it can is simply irrelevent..

The fact it can easily be filed off is very relevant because it is deliberately adding a unnecessary cost to gun in order to increase the cost.

If they file it off before they shoot someone?? So what??

Just like all the other anti-2nd amendment laws this one is rendered useless.

If they don't then that is good to.. Who really freaken cares??

The consumer who has to pay extra money for that micro-stamping is the one who should care. You are basically saying lets increase the cost of firearms who cares.

Most likely most criminals simply won't take the time to take a gun apart file a pin and then put it back together before they go rob a bank.

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I do not know if you know this but most criminals do not want to get caught. I know your Crossman or Daisy may not be easy to take apart. But real firearms are easy to take apart. The reason they are easy to take apart because after a certain amount of usage they must be cleaned so that they can remain operational.

Do you think Jared Laughner would have filed his gun??

If he was worried about not getting caught and Arizona required microstamping then yes.

Do you think a terrorist is going to file a pin??

Assuming they legally bought the gun and it had a microstamp and they plan on getting away with it then yes.

Most criminals don't even file off the serial number.

Here is a firing pin fro a AR-14/M-16. The sharp pointy end is what strikes the primer.

Are you telling me that it would be so difficult for a criminal to take a diamond coated micro-file that probably costs a buck or two(maybe six dollars or more if the hardware store only sells sets) to a very easily removable part. A reversed micro stamped image on a firing pin is not going to be that deep.

. They only do that if the gun is stolen.

Why would the file off the numbers of a stolen gun? Doesn't the fact the gun is stolen means it can not be traced back to them on paper?

Which as I have shown most guns used in crimes are not.. The fact of the issue here is that this arguement is based on to many variables..

You have not shown anything.

It is impossible to tell how many will or won't file the pin before using it in a crime.. So that makes the entire point about it criminals a moot issue..

The fact it can easily be filed off is not a moot point. It proves that it is a useless to add microstamping.

Until I made my initial post in this thread.. Most of you didn't even know what microstamping was.

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Bull ****.

What makes you think criminals are going to know..

Criminals do not want to get caught.

What you all need to understand is that there really isn't much to argue about here.. Can you show or make a viable arguement that microstamping a firing pin is a bad thing and will do more harm than good?? Until that arguement is made and proven viable, there isn't much anyone can say agaisnt this.. This is just another tool in the shed for investigators to help solve crimes..

The argument has been made several times why this is bad. You like every 2nd amendment opponent choose to ignore those arguments.

Locks can be picked, but I am sure you all still use them to lock your doors, your cars, your valuables.. If they can simply be picked, then why bother?? Kinda stupid eh?? If criminals can file the pins, then why bother?? Yes.. It is stupid.

A firing pin is a very simple part.So its not even comparable to a lock.
Locks have complex parts.

 

[theangryamerican]

Oh hey look, more idiotic gun bias that needs debunking! Yay!

MICROSTAMPING

Background: Microstamping is a proposed means for imprinting unique serial numbers onto cartridges fired from a gun. Similar to “ballistic fingerprinting,” it allegedly helps police identify what firearm might have been used in a crime. Microstamping uses precision equipment to remove microscopic amounts of metal from the tip of the firing pin


Myth: Independent testing by forensic technologists shows the technology is reliable
Fact: Firing pins are readily removable and swappable in most models of handguns, and inexpensive replacement parts. Criminals who file down serial numbers on the sides of guns won’t hesitate to file or exchange firing pins.
Fact: 46% of impressions ranked as “unsatisfactory” (i.e., illegible) after only ten rounds.1

Myth: Filing the firing pin will make the gun inoperable
Fact: Firing pins are designed to be pushed deeply into the primer (igniter) of the round. The depth of the engraving (approximately 0.005 inch)2 is vastly smaller than the tolerance of the firing pins drive depth.
Fact: In a test, the engravings were removed using a 50-year-old knife sharpening stone in less than a minute. The firearm still operated correctly after the filing.3
Fact: Even if a criminal does not file down the firing pin, they might retrieve spent cartridges. If they use a revolver, the cartridges stay with the firearm and are rarely recovered by police.

Myth: The cost per firearm will be cheap
Fact: The National Shooting Sports Foundation, the representative for firearm manufactures, estimates the cost will be upwards of $150 per firearm, more than tripling the price of self-protection and making it unaffordable for low-income people.4 The Brady Campaign dispute those with firearm manufacturing experience claiming micro-stamping would cost only 50¢?

Myth: The numbers will let police find the gun’s owner
Fact: Most crime guns are stolen property, 5 which makes finding the original owner worthless.

Anyone advocating this lunacy is only interested in restricting the rights of the law abiding, because rediculous measures like this do nothing to stop the criminals.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Dude!! Up until my post!! You thought the modification was done to the bullet casing?? How many criminals do you think will actually look this stuff up or go through the hassle of it?? You didn't didn't even do it to appear intelligent on an internet forum.. Most weapons used in crime don't have their serial numbers filed off and that doesn't even require taking the gun apart.. So you can't make the assumption that they will disassemble a gun and file the firing pin.. How many criminals do you think have the time or the know how to even take a gun apart?? Did Jerad Laughner do it?? You seem to think all criminals are like these movie intelligent criminals with all this highteh crap.. Seriously?? Look at the population of our prisons?? What do you think the average IQ is of the people there?? Why don't you watch a weekend full of 'Lockup' on television to get an idea.. If you weren't smart enough to look it up and find out what microstamping casings meant.. What makes you think people that commit crimes will??

The microstamp is done from the firing pin, on to the bullet casing.
Removing and filling off the micro stamps would be a peace of cake.

They can't contaminate anything because it shows that the bullet was fired from a specific gun.. It helps identify the murder weapon the weapon used in a crime.. Sure it may point to the lawful owner of a gun.. So what?? Fingerprints and other evidence would also point to someone else.. The issue is, identifying the gun that fired the bullet..

Sure they could, collecting shells from another person, who was not present at the crime, with the microstamped casings would contaminate the screen.

And yet most don't even bother filing off the serial number of the gun.. It is very doubtful that someone is going to take a gun apart, to attempt to file off a number that requires a microscope to see.. You are also assuming that somehow he can tell which gun is microstamped just by looking at it.. Seriously dude.. You really need to think things through here.. Visually there is no way to tell if a gun is microstamped and who is going to take it apart to look at the fire pin in a microscope to see if it is?? Come on now..

Actually that happens all the time.
Criminals file of the serial number so the gun can't be traced to them.

The micro stamps is nearly visible to the naked eye.
It would be incredibly easy to grind it off.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh hey look, more idiotic gun bias that needs debunking! Yay!



Anyone advocating this lunacy is only interested in restricting the rights of the law abiding, because rediculous measures like this do nothing to stop the criminals.

I can change out the firing pin in a colt 1911 in less than two minutes. an M-16 even quicker. Revolvers take more work but then again, they don't tend to leave expended cases at the scene.

Here is what the gun haters want

they want new features to be required on handguns

and after that law is passed they will try to pass laws banning the possession of all older weapons that do not have that feature

 

[jamesrage]

I can change out the firing pin in a colt 1911 in less than two minutes. an M-16 even quicker. Revolvers take more work but then again, they don't tend to leave expended cases at the scene.

Here is what the gun haters want

they want new features to be required on handguns

and after that law is passed they will try to pass laws banning the possession of all older weapons that do not have that feature

Thats how baby steps work. Kind of like the Firearm Owners Protection Act making a list of prohibited people from owning a gun, when down the road gives them an excuse to force people to submit to a background check to exercise a right.