List of Anti-Gun NY Assembly members

[Cold Highway]

Recently a ammo bill went through Albany which mandates that all ammo be micro stamped. A bill that does nothing but increase the cost of ammo and hinders people's ability to own firearms.

New York Microstamping Votes

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Recently a ammo bill went through Albany which mandates that all ammo be micro stamped. A bill that does nothing but increase the cost of ammo and hinders people's ability to own firearms.

New York Microstamping Votes

They actually passed that ****?

 

[jamesrage]

I can't say that I am surprised. As far as some of those politicians are concerned the constitution is toilet paper.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I can't say that I am surprised. As far as some of those politicians are concerned the constitution is toilet paper.

A business has been pushing this, just so they can cash in on the micro stamping technology.

 

[Risky Thicket]

The law is ridiculous. Beyond stupid. How is that going to work with people who hand load? How about buying ammo from other states? What is the law supposed to accomplish? Prevent crime? Hardly. I don't understand the reasoning behind it.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

WTF is this psycho hitlist bull**** lackey vs patriot? I'm glad national security crawls the internet for this ****.

 

[jamesrage]

WTF is this psycho hitlist bull**** lackey vs patriot? I'm glad national security crawls the internet for this ****.

Listing which elected official for what on a certain issue is a hitlist? The only thing that is bull**** is your claim this is a hitlist. The people have every damn right to know what their elected officials IE their employees are doing or how they are voting on various issues,especially if those employees are trying to wipe their ass with various constitutional rights.

 

[jamesrage]

A business has been pushing this, just so they can cash in on the micro stamping technology.

If there were not any politicians trying to wipe their ass with the 2nd amendment then no company would be able to push for laws requiring micro-stamping. These anti-2nd amendment loons see this as a way to further restrict the 2nd amendment rights of honest law abiding citizens.

 

[MKULTRABOY]

You're hilarious and all, but, I'm sorry, referring to politicians 'wiping their ass with the constitution' and linking a site with psychologically anal titles as 'lackey' and patriot seem worthy enough. I can rest easy knowing tabs are kept on the hardest nuts.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

If there were not any politicians trying to wipe their ass with the 2nd amendment then no company would be able to push for laws requiring micro-stamping. These anti-2nd amendment loons see this as a way to further restrict the 2nd amendment rights of honest law abiding citizens.

Getting around that technology is so ludicrously easy, these things only exist to make it more expensive for the law abiding shooter.
Not to mention that they have to watch their shell casings, criminals could steal them and frame a person.

 

[jamesrage]

Getting around that technology is so ludicrously easy, these things only exist to make it more expensive for the law abiding shooter.
Not to mention that they have to watch their shell casings, criminals could steal them and frame a person.

A casing at the crime does not in any shape or form prove who fired the weapon and that casings are recycled. Which even makes the law more absurd.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

A casing at the crime does not in any shape or form prove who fired the weapon and that casings are recycled. Which even makes the law more absurd.

Not to mention that you can file off the imprinting, so to destroy the traceable evidence.

 

[DemonMyst]

A casing at the crime does not in any shape or form prove who fired the weapon and that casings are recycled. Which even makes the law more absurd.

If you actually did some research you would know your comments were actually quite stupid.. The stamping occurs when the bullet is fired.. The modification is to the gun..

In order for bullet microstamping to work, a weapon must be fitted with a special firing pin which has been etched with a unique serial number. When the gun is fired, the firing pin strikes the casing of the bullet, marking it with the serial number. While the microstamp is generally too small to read with the naked eye, it can be identified on a microscope, allowing investigators to cross-reference the serial number with a database of registered weapons.

What is Bullet Microstamping?

It is amazing what you all will complain about on a forum.. Yet know absolutely nothing about it.. So go ahead and recycle your casings.. It won't matter at all.. There is nothing wrong with this law and everyone should support it.. If it is something that can make catching murderers and criminals a little easier, then what is wrong with it?? No, it isn't fool proof.. But if the two of you weren't smart enough to look up what microstamping is and how it works.. Then most likely criminals won't look it up either..

 

[jamesrage]

If you actually did some research you would know your comments were actually quite stupid.. .

How does this change the fact a casing does not prove who fired fired the weapon?

The stamping occurs when the bullet is fired..

So in other words the tip of the firing pin or where ever the microstamp is can be easily filed off.

The modification is to the gun.

It is a modification to the firing pin which can easily be replaced.

It is amazing what you all will complain about on a forum.. Yet know absolutely nothing about it.. So go ahead and recycle your casings.

Doesn't the microstamp strike the casing?

. It won't matter at all.. There is nothing wrong with this law and everyone should support it

The microstamping does not prevent crime nor is a casing evidence you fired a gun.

If it is something that can make catching murderers and criminals a little easier,

It does not make catching criminals easier.

1.Because a shell casing left at a crime scene does not in any shape or form prove who fired the gun.

2.A finger print on the casing does not even prove you loaded it into the magazine or cylinder.

3.If criminals were actually worried they will just file the numbers off.

then what is wrong with it?

Whats wrong with it is that it is designed to increase the price of firearms and a backdoor registry. It will not solve or prevent crimes.

No, it isn't fool proof.. But if the two of you weren't smart enough to look up what microstamping is and how it works.. Then most likely criminals won't look it up either..

Just like criminals get gun permits and register their firearms before using them to commit a crime that they do not want anyone finding out about? How many crimes have been prevented or solved using the firearm registries in states that require you to register your firearms? How many firearm registries in the world have have been used to prevent or solve crimes?

 

[TurtleDude]

If you actually did some research you would know your comments were actually quite stupid.. The stamping occurs when the bullet is fired.. The modification is to the gun..



What is Bullet Microstamping?

It is amazing what you all will complain about on a forum.. Yet know absolutely nothing about it.. So go ahead and recycle your casings.. It won't matter at all.. There is nothing wrong with this law and everyone should support it.. If it is something that can make catching murderers and criminals a little easier, then what is wrong with it?? No, it isn't fool proof.. But if the two of you weren't smart enough to look up what microstamping is and how it works.. Then most likely criminals won't look it up either..

honest people need to be well armed because there are those who think like you do

 

[Risky Thicket]

If you actually did some research you would know your comments were actually quite stupid.. The stamping occurs when the bullet is fired.. The modification is to the gun..



What is Bullet Microstamping?

It is amazing what you all will complain about on a forum.. Yet know absolutely nothing about it.. So go ahead and recycle your casings.. It won't matter at all.. There is nothing wrong with this law and everyone should support it.. If it is something that can make catching murderers and criminals a little easier, then what is wrong with it?? No, it isn't fool proof.. But if the two of you weren't smart enough to look up what microstamping is and how it works.. Then most likely criminals won't look it up either..

You sound like the same kind of person who supports putting signs on doors at places like Starbucks and Target saying that guns are not permitted, and being falsely confident that criminals would never bring a gun in the store and break the law. :roll:

If a person is going to use a firearm to commit a crime only the dumbest of the dumb would use traceable firearms and ammunition. In addition, there are like a bazillion firearms in public now. Retrofit them? I don't think that is viable.

 

[TurtleDude]

You sound like the same kind of person who supports putting signs on doors at places like Starbucks and Target saying that guns are not permitted, and being falsely confident that criminals would never bring a gun in the store and break the law. :roll:

If a person is going to use a firearm to commit a crime only the dumbest of the dumb would use traceable firearms and ammunition. In addition, there are like a bazillion firearms in public now. Retrofit them? I don't think that is viable.

people like him want to hassle and increase the costs of shooting for honest people for some sick reason

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

The law is ridiculous. Beyond stupid. How is that going to work with people who hand load? How about buying ammo from other states? What is the law supposed to accomplish? Prevent crime? Hardly. I don't understand the reasoning behind it.

Government is all about control.

The control freaks do not care overmuch if they get full control this week all at once, or next year, after a hundred baby steps.

Remember how the fascists got that seat belt wrapped around you.

Once it becomes law, and people evade the law by buying ammunition from Pennsylvania, there were be a push to federalize the microstamping requirement, guaranteed. There will also be a push to ban home-loading.

One step at a time, until your Second Amendment is a peculiarly worded bit of nonsense on an archaic document no one reads.

 

[Mayor Snorkum]

From Wiki:
Firearm microstamping, ballistic imprinting and ballistic engraving are all names given to a controversial[1] technology that has been developed with the goal of aiding in ballistics identification; it involves the use of laser technology to engrave a microscopic marking onto the tip of the firing pin and onto the breech face of a firearm. When the firearm is fired, these etchings are transferred to the primer by the firing pin and to the cartridge case by the breech face, using the pressure created when a round is fired. After the spent cartridges are ejected, these microscopic markings are imprinted on the cartridges, which can then be recovered by police and examined by forensic ballistics experts to obtain information to be used to trace the firearm through its life to the registered owner.[2] This technology will be required in California starting in 2010, however, law enforcement is specifically exempt.[3]

The Mayor sees no valid reason why law enforcement should be held exempt from this law. Nothing better to find out which idiot Thug-With-A-Badge fired which shots where, right? Isn't this a law about accountability?

Clearly, since the police oppose it for themselves, it should not be applied at all.

Also, anyone besides the most devoted idiot beleive that a micro-etched stamp won't fade with time? Any law-abiding citizen firing off a few boxes at the range will have his factory imposed microstamping erased.

Since California isn't going to ban files, whetstones, Dremel-tools, sand paper, sand, rocks, etc, no criminal, not, not one single criminal, will be arrested or convicted on the basis of this ridiculous microstamping requirement.

Clearly the only thing this law is good for is the occasional snagging of a citizen defending his home, and the imposition of yet another financial barrier to the ownership of guns, as explicitly prohibited by the Second Amendment.

If the cops don't have to comply with the law, neither should anyone else.

 

[TurtleDude]

The Mayor sees no valid reason why law enforcement should be held exempt from this law. Nothing better to find out which idiot Thug-With-A-Badge fired which shots where, right? Isn't this a law about accountability?

Clearly, since the police oppose it for themselves, it should not be applied at all.

Also, anyone besides the most devoted idiot beleive that a micro-etched stamp won't fade with time? Any law-abiding citizen firing off a few boxes at the range will have his factory imposed microstamping erased.

Since California isn't going to ban files, whetstones, Dremel-tools, sand paper, sand, rocks, etc, no criminal, not, not one single criminal, will be arrested or convicted on the basis of this ridiculous microstamping requirement.

Clearly the only thing this law is good for is the occasional snagging of a citizen defending his home, and the imposition of yet another financial barrier to the ownership of guns, as explicitly prohibited by the Second Amendment.

If the cops don't have to comply with the law, neither should anyone else.

there should be no legal distinction between civilian police officers and other civilians when it comes to gun laws save perhaps specific locations where Police officers can possess weapons (like a courtroom for example or a prison).

as to type of weapon or other such stuff there should be absolutely no difference

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

If you actually did some research you would know your comments were actually quite stupid.. The stamping occurs when the bullet is fired.. The modification is to the gun..



What is Bullet Microstamping?

It is amazing what you all will complain about on a forum.. Yet know absolutely nothing about it.. So go ahead and recycle your casings.. It won't matter at all.. There is nothing wrong with this law and everyone should support it.. If it is something that can make catching murderers and criminals a little easier, then what is wrong with it?? No, it isn't fool proof.. But if the two of you weren't smart enough to look up what microstamping is and how it works.. Then most likely criminals won't look it up either..

All someone has to do is disassemble the gun, file the firing pin down, reassemble and it was all for naught.

Not only that but they can contaminate the scene with shell casings from another, lawful owner.

Habitual criminals don't want to be caught, they will take the path of least resistance, which includes the incredibly easy way to not be identified by filing off the micro stamp from the pin.

 

[DemonMyst]

You sound like the same kind of person who supports putting signs on doors at places like Starbucks and Target saying that guns are not permitted, and being falsely confident that criminals would never bring a gun in the store and break the law. :roll:

Is this an intelligent comment or are you just trying to be funny??

If a person is going to use a firearm to commit a crime only the dumbest of the dumb would use traceable firearms and ammunition. In addition, there are like a bazillion firearms in public now. Retrofit them? I don't think that is viable.

Most criminals are stupid.. Which is the largest reason they get got.. In most cases, any gun used in a crime hasn't been modified..

I doesn't hinder anyone from by a gun in the least, and nobody has any proof that it will increase cost.. I am all for law abiding citizens having guns.. That doesn't mean we need to make them easy for criminals to get in the process.. That is simply stupid..

The arguement of 'It doesn't say who fired the weapon is stupid and you obviously missed the point here.. The point is to determine the weapon used in the crime.. Finger prints and DNA and powerder burns can do the rest..

This isn't a fool proof thing.. But nothing is.. My only claim is that it could help and therefor should be supported..

 

[DemonMyst]

All someone has to do is disassemble the gun, file the firing pin down, reassemble and it was all for naught.

Dude!! Up until my post!! You thought the modification was done to the bullet casing?? How many criminals do you think will actually look this stuff up or go through the hassle of it?? You didn't didn't even do it to appear intelligent on an internet forum.. Most weapons used in crime don't have their serial numbers filed off and that doesn't even require taking the gun apart.. So you can't make the assumption that they will disassemble a gun and file the firing pin.. How many criminals do you think have the time or the know how to even take a gun apart?? Did Jerad Laughner do it?? You seem to think all criminals are like these movie intelligent criminals with all this highteh crap.. Seriously?? Look at the population of our prisons?? What do you think the average IQ is of the people there?? Why don't you watch a weekend full of 'Lockup' on television to get an idea.. If you weren't smart enough to look it up and find out what microstamping casings meant.. What makes you think people that commit crimes will??

Not only that but they can contaminate the scene with shell casings from another, lawful owner.

They can't contaminate anything because it shows that the bullet was fired from a specific gun.. It helps identify the murder weapon the weapon used in a crime.. Sure it may point to the lawful owner of a gun.. So what?? Fingerprints and other evidence would also point to someone else.. The issue is, identifying the gun that fired the bullet..

Habitual criminals don't want to be caught, they will take the path of least resistance, which includes the incredibly easy way to not be identified by filing off the micro stamp from the pin.

And yet most don't even bother filing off the serial number of the gun.. It is very doubtful that someone is going to take a gun apart, to attempt to file off a number that requires a microscope to see.. You are also assuming that somehow he can tell which gun is microstamped just by looking at it.. Seriously dude.. You really need to think things through here.. Visually there is no way to tell if a gun is microstamped and who is going to take it apart to look at the fire pin in a microscope to see if it is?? Come on now..

 

[DemonMyst]

How does this change the fact a casing does not prove who fired fired the weapon?

It shows what weapon fired the bullet.. Duh.. You can't tell who fired a weapon until you know which weapon was fired. Duh!!

So in other words the tip of the firing pin or where ever the microstamp is can be easily filed off.

Well since it requires a microscope to see.. How easy do you really think it is?? Who is going to have the fine tools?? If most criminals don't even file the guns serial number?? What makes you think they are going to take the time and effort to take a gun apart to look at the firing pin in a microscope to see if it is a number stamp on it?? Duh!!

It is a modification to the firing pin which can easily be replaced.

Not to easily.. I don't know of to many stores that simply stock parts like that for walk in sales.. Most criminals won't make the effort of taking a gun apart and replacing a part and then putting it back together before they shoot someone.. I am also sure that someone has thought of your arguement and anyone that sells firing pins only sells one that are also stamped.. As a requirement for purchase the gun owner must show the gun it is going to be put into, show the shop have a record of the number on the pin being sold for a gun with whatever serial number.. They have been using gun barrels for years to match bullets to guns.. I haven't seen to many cases of people replacing their gun barrels have you??

Doesn't the microstamp strike the casing?

According to the article I pasted.. Yes.. It has to in order to put the number on the spent casing..

The microstamping does not prevent crime nor is a casing evidence you fired a gun.

Never claimed it did.. It matches a bullet to a specific gun.. This isn't rocket science dude.. Why don't you take the time to do some research.. You clearly have no understanding of the topic at hand..

It does not make catching criminals easier.

Really how so?? For long time now, investigators would use the marks left on a bullet to match the barrel of a gun.. That in many cases isn't reliable as the bullent can be deformed after being fired.. Putting a number on each casing the gun fires, matched to the gun itself serves the same purpose.. How does that not help??

1.Because a shell casing left at a crime scene does not in any shape or form prove who fired the gun.
2.A finger print on the casing does not even prove you loaded it into the magazine or cylinder.
3.If criminals were actually worried they will just file the numbers off.

I have already addressed all three of these issues.. I don't what it is about this topic that baffles you.. Where did anyone say it would positively identify who fired the weapon?? Do you read at all or do you just make this stuff up?? Well.. You didn't look it up before you went off babbling about recycled casings.. So I guess that settles that eh?? Nobody made the claim that a finger print on the casing would prove who loaded it.. Making more stuff up?? As fo number 3?? Your the best example to destroy your own arguement.. You weren't smart enough to look it up and educate yourself about it.. Do you actually think a criminal is going to look it up?? What makes you think a criminal is going to set up shop to take a gun apart, look at the firing pin through a microscope to see of there is a number on it.. Then gently file it down with a really small file.. Because filing to much away may cause the gun not to fire.. Which would mean he would have to go out and buy a new gun an attempt the process all over again.. Using your logic!! This law is an awsome idea!! Criminals will be to busy filling down firing pins and destroying the gun itself, and repeating the process.. They would never actually get to committing crimes..

Whats wrong with it is that it is designed to increase the price of firearms and a backdoor registry. It will not solve or prevent crimes.

You have no data on how it will increase cost.. Nor do you have any data on how it will solve or prevent crimes.. So your thoughts there are simply bogus.. You are simply blowing smoke because you truely don't understand this law, nor do you understand what impacts it can or will have..

Just like criminals get gun permits and register their firearms before using them to commit a crime that they do not want anyone finding out about? How many crimes have been prevented or solved using the firearm registries in states that require you to register your firearms? How many firearm registries in the world have have been used to prevent or solve crimes?

I am not sure what your point is here.. Given the rest of your post I am not sure you even have one.. It is impossible to say how many crimes were prevented.. If they were prevented, then we have no way of counting them because didn't happen.. Typically speaking a would be criminal isn't goint to walk into a police station and inform the officers there that the serial number on the gun prevented him from killing someone.. As far as solving crimes?? Good luck counting that one.. Millions?? More?? This isn't the time of the old west when someone was shot and killed, it was relied upon a wittness to see who did it.. Now there are millions of things we can do and look at to solve crimes.. Countless cameras in and around our society.. Many in the pockets or purses of wittnesses.. DNA evidence.. Fingerprints.. Gun tracking.. Forensics.. As well as many other things..

You seem locked in on it showing who shot the gun.. That isn't the point.. The point is to identify the specific gun it was fired from.. Or identify the murder weapon if you will.. Through other means they will put the weapon in the hands of the shooter.. But you can't begin to look for a criminal until you have the weapon used in the crime..

In the end, as a registered gun owner and a law abiding citizen.. I don't view it as a violation of my rights to make me jump through some hoops in order to own a gun.. I have nothing to hide, they can do all the background checks all they want.. I fail to see why others complain about it.. If it all helps keeps guns out of the hands of criminals.. I am all for it.. If making it harder for them, makes it a little harder for me.. Then I am all for it.. I don't know why any law abiding citizen wouldn't be all for it.. Microstamping is a simple thing.. I see no downside to it.. Even if it costs a few extra dollars to buy a gun.. In many respects I would want my guns to have it, it will also prove the reverse.. My weapons weren't used in a crime.. So really there is no downside here..

 

[TurtleDude]

its so obvious that dm's main goal is to hassle honest gun owners.