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murtha was already dead, I didn't wish a slow painful death upon him.
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You are going to need a bigger bucket.
Classless is classless. Simple as that.
Ah. More proof that liberals are the "nicer sort of people".
Classless is classless. Simple as that.
Ive noticed in political discourse in America there isnt often a debate on issues but more a slanging match between people.If someone disagrees with someone political it has to be for the lowest possible reason.
In truth, our media is far from any one thing other than being sensationalism based....There are some sick ****ers masquerading as journalists in our liberal media these days.
In truth, our media is far from any one thing other than being sensationalism based....
Logically, our media can be either right wing (Fox) or left wing ( MSNBC); but this phrase "liberal media" is so old and tired... I think that about 30 years ago I found Limbaugh to be interesting .. a breath of fresh air....
No more....
But to wish ill on him or any man is not good.
whining is whining. Simple as that.
I will agree the fringes are Fox and MSNBC --- However the rest - CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC ... are not far away from the fring of MSNBC. Let's go to Newspapers --- there's a lot of them, but the Washington Times is perhaps the only right leaning newspaper. The other big ones such as the Chicago Sun Times, NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe (subsidiary of NYT), SF Chronicle ... all lean or are fully liberal... perhaps there are a decent amount that straddle the center such as the Dallas Morning News or Miami Herald. Magazines? Newsweek, Time, US News & World Report --- all lean left or are left wing, not to mention Mother Jones, The Nation, New Republic, New Yorker, Harpers, Washington Monthly, The American Prospect, The Weekly Standard, World Press Review ... while American Spectator & National Review remains two of the few larger conservative magazines while there are many smaller unknown ones.
The ONLY place conservative media reigns is on talk radio - that particular media type is overwhelmingly right leaning. Why this is has to do, at least in part, to left leaning radio not attracting enough advertising revenue to pay for it's operating and labor expenses. Air America has been supported now by the Soro's groups for years as they went bankrupt due to lack of advertising dollars. The one exception - Sirius / XM sattelite radio which only supplements with advertising or retransmits land-based radio transmissions.
Looking at it holistally - the media is overwhelmingly liberal / left leaning. This makes sense since most of the colleges are liberal left leaning as are most of those colleges professors - and younger people of college age tend to also lean left. It's not a surprise at all. The biggest standouts are Fox and talk radio. Two large islands in the ocean of liberal media.
"The [JournoList] is troubling," says Jim Campbell, a political science professor at the State University of New York (SUNY) in Buffalo. "At one level it could be thought of as just colleagues throwing ideas out to one another, but from another standpoint it almost looks like collusion … where virtual talking points are shared and solidified in a group.”
To some extent [some] media have been successful in [playing the race card]," he says. "You have people now talking about the tea party and others in terms of this race issue, and that in itself deflects from what the tea party people are really concerned about, which is out-of-control federal spending and excessive intrusion of government. To the extent that the press, even by suggesting that race is an issue, if it gets everybody talking about the tea party in those terms, they have been successful."
At the same time, Campbell says, the race card may have been so overplayed that it no longer has much of an effect on how Americans think or act.
"I think a lot of people don't take it very seriously anymore," he says.
There's plenty of evidence, political scientists say, that a fringe of the tea party movement is over-focused on race, if not to the point of hatred. At the same time, a Justice Department whistle blower says he got word from superiors that the Civil Rights Division will not file suit against African-Americans targeting whites in violation of anti-discrimination laws.
"The whole discussion is a prime example of how we have, once again, become a very polarized nation, both politically and racially," writes the Root website's Sophia Nelson in the Washington Post.
What promises to be upheaval in the November elections, in part driven by the amorphous "tea party" movement espousing smaller government versus Obama's "big government" ideas, may in part be driven by the suddenly racialized national atmosphere.
"Maybe it is a good sign we stop tiptoeing around the historical issues related to race, class, and religion and take them head-on with our political leaders, in our communities … and within ourselves."
Jeez it was a joke
Cant you overly sensitive sissy's on the right take a joke,
One way is to watch them over a long period of time... say on and off for 20 years. A second way is to review studies done on the media, say by UCLA.Aw come on. How do you determine whether all major TV networks are liberal? But forget that.
According to you? Of course I do.You've got a few errors in your post.
Hold on... what studies? Source? Until you provide that --- the rest of this train of thought and according to you, errors --- is YOUR study based on your opinion.Studies will tell yopublicationsu...
Again... source?that there are more conservative newspapers than liberal in the US.
I selected large market newspapers primarily in NFL cities which have the largest circulations. According to the UCLA study (which I did source btw)You are selecting a small group of papers as your example. What about the The Wall Street Journal, New York Post, Chicago Tribune (there's also a Chicago suburban paper called the Daily Herald that's conservative), Los Angeles Times, St Louis Post-Dispatch, Christian Science Monitor? All are considered conservative large papers.
UCLA said:While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times.
UCLA said:Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS' "Evening News," The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.
Source?Conservative newspapers outnumber liberal newspapers in the US.
Which is why I picked the largest markets with the largest circulations --- the NY Times for example is delivered nationally to not only airports or supermarkets - but to individuals by subscription. Granted the WSJ is probably larger - but again, not conservative.Not that they are all big newspapers. But in overall number, there are more conservative newspapers.
Magazines--Newsmax, The Economist, Forbes, The American Conservative, Human Events. (NOTE: US News & World Report and The Weekly Standard are considered to be conservative publications.)--These guys are not small.
I don't catagorize Runners World or for that matter, Earth Word Digest. According to the study posted --- Time is about the same as US News and World Report - with a score of 65.4, Newsweek is 66.3.I think the New Yorker is liberal in political reporting, but the large amount of that publication has to do with arts and literature. I mean you can put Rolling Stone in there too, but most of that publication is about music. I'm not sure whether Time and Newsweek are necessarily left---their articles vary depending upon the subject and author. They write on much more than just politics. That can make a publication difficult to truly categorize. I mean, how do you categorize Runner's World?
That would be interesting coming from a self described liberal. Obviously what a liberal finds to be "conservative" and what a conservative finds conservative are to vastly different things. What you see as a conservative publication, I see more as a centrist publication with a mix of both... funny... the UCLA study sorta confirms my view on that.Its interesting that you consider yourself conservative but you actually don't seem to be aware of conservative publications such as the newpapers I've mentioned or the magazines.
The Trib in Chicago usually has a larger circulation than the Sun-Times and is generally conservative. (But note: the Chicago Sun-Times was actually owned by Rupert Murdoch for awhile so it really wasn't liberal during that period.) The magazines I've mentioned are not really considered to be that small. You are a conservative and you are not aware of those publications? How do you know about the liberal ones since you probably don't read them? (that's not a dig--I'm not going to read most right wing publications either) Could that add to the opinion you have that media is all liberal? What conservative publications do you read and subscribe to?
My thought was they went off the air in December 2009 which was only about 6 months ago. I guess I was thinking of Sirius Left "young turks" show, which had Malloy and the other guy from Air America. My mistake.Small note-Air America is gone and has been for awhile. Their final lineup was not on Xm so I'm not sure what time period you're talking about with them. XM Left has been syndicated radio folks such as Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller who was never with Air America.
QFT.Hopefully you understand that much print media needs to swing both ways to attract readers and survive. No readers, no ads. No ads, no revenue. Many written publications are in trouble. Let's face it, more people get their national news from the TV and internet than newspapers nowdays. However, newspapers have a more local niche to their readership.
I think if you review the UCLA media study which was done over a period of time (years), and review the methodology, there are some clear leanings. The WSJ for example is as liberal leaning as the NY Times according to the study - while the Washington Times clearly was leaning conservative.But some publications are obviously left that you mention---The Nation and Mother Jones advertise and deliver themselves as liberal or progressive and they are! Many publications use BOTH right and left reporting. I'm not sure you can truly say they "lean" one way or another. Many lean both ways depending upon the story.
It depends where you get it from. I think the problem is that discussion about politics in has to be entertaining for people to pay attention to it. Thus, you do see issues dragged to the lowest denominator. Really understanding some political situations takes time and effort. I think sometimes we want to be all knowing when it comes to politics. I think we would be better off if we stuck to certain areas and got to know it well. But I think we'd rather be entertained. Much of what passes for news does not even try to education.
How are things in the UK?
One way is to watch them over a long period of time... say on and off for 20 years. A second way is to review studies done on the media, say by UCLA.
Also --- here's the actual study materials not just the write up:
A Measure of Media Bias
According to you? Of course I do.
Hold on... what studies? Source? Until you provide that --- the rest of this train of thought and according to you, errors --- is YOUR study based on your opinion.
Again... source?
I selected large market newspapers primarily in NFL cities which have the largest circulations. According to the UCLA study (which I did source btw)
The Post is owned by Murdoch which is why your saying it's conservative - and that may be. The Tribune - probably because Obama was the first Democrat the paper ever endorsed for President of which one issue doesn't make the entire paper "conservative".
The LA Times? Again - my source:
No one outside of Missouri or Kansas ever heard of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch --- who has a circulation of about 200,000.
Source?
Which is why I picked the largest markets with the largest circulations --- the NY Times for example is delivered nationally to not only airports or supermarkets - but to individuals by subscription. Granted the WSJ is probably larger - but again, not conservative.
Newsmax circulation is a paltry 130,000, while the "not small" Weekly Standard is 81,000. They're not only small... they're VERY small.
My link source identifies US News and World Report as slightly less liberal than Joe Liebermann. What that means is, the ADA score of an average citizen is 50.6, the average ADA score of a Congressional liberal is 84.5. US News and World Report scored at 65.8 - which makes it slightly liberal to the average citizen (higher score is more liberal, lower score is more conservative). I'd be willing to say it's more "centrist" but no where near conservative.
I don't catagorize Runners World or for that matter, Earth Word Digest. According to the study posted --- Time is about the same as US News and World Report - with a score of 65.4, Newsweek is 66.3.
That would be interesting coming from a self described liberal. Obviously what a liberal finds to be "conservative" and what a conservative finds conservative are to vastly different things. What you see as a conservative publication, I see more as a centrist publication with a mix of both... funny... the UCLA study sorta confirms my view on that.
The Tribune does in fact have a larger paid subscriber base than the Sun-Times, and I cannot say one way or the other if it is conservative or not. The magazines however - you were way off - they're very small in the paid subscriber base though with Obama now in office and a full Democratic majority in Congress - I'm sure they saw a bump. I read Newsweek, Politics Magazine, USA Today, my local newspaper (NJ), and I go through news sources from Drudge, CNN Headline News, Google News and Fox News/Business. I also check out CNBC and watch MSNBC Morning Joe, and when I sometimes like watching O'Reilly and when I can stomach it - Hardball on MSNBC, though in small amounts.
My thought was they went off the air in December 2009 which was only about 6 months ago. I guess I was thinking of Sirius Left "young turks" show, which had Malloy and the other guy from Air America. My mistake.
QFT.
I think if you review the UCLA media study which was done over a period of time (years), and review the methodology, there are some clear leanings. The WSJ for example is as liberal leaning as the NY Times according to the study - while the Washington Times clearly was leaning conservative.
So your determination on what is liberal or conservative is based primariily on the UCLA study? It was controversial at the time and not totally accepted. But doesn't this study actually pick individual programs and shows? How does that make an entire radio or TV network liberal or conservative? Also some of the newspaper you list are not used in the study. So why are those acceptable?
Also you site the conservative magazines as having a small circulation. Why is that important? Doesn't it demonstrate that there are conservative publications available? But if do feel that is important, what is the circulation of the liberal magazines you site.
EDit-Also, what is the source of circulation numbers you are using. What year, what period?
I've got another problem with your discussion. If you claim there is a media bias, but you don't know the newspapers,( the Trib being bigger than the Sun-Times, but then you claim you don't know the political lean of the Trib) how can you make the claim that the media is biased?
This is simple, ignorant, horsepucky.You righties need to learn that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity singlehandedly represent the entire conservative movement....
You righties need to learn that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity singlehandedly represent the entire conservative movement, however, no liberal, no matter how high up, how popular, NEVER represents EVERYBODY on the left.
Once you get that little hypocritical notion through your gun toting heads, maybe you'll finally "get it." mo
You righties need to learn that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity singlehandedly represent the entire conservative movement, however, no liberal, no matter how high up, how popular, NEVER represents EVERYBODY on the left.
Once you get that little hypocritical notion through your gun toting heads, maybe you'll finally "get it." :lamo
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