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Life at Conception

GEIxBattleRifle said:
Which is a inconsistency in the USA not in Canada where I reside at.
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Okay, Removable Mind.

Also, are you claiming abortion is legal in all scenarios in Canada?
 
ChezC3 said:
mickey mouse, donald duck, you can believe in fantasy just don't expect me to give a cluck.
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I believe that the possibilities of non human entities having rights is real which is why grounding rights based on species membership is bad for the future.
 
scatt said:
Anywhere. Feticide is the murder of a fetus.
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Thanks for the definition, Scatt...I was struggling. :roll:

I don't have an opinion unless you can offer specifics because laws vary. The Unborn Victims Act of 2003 is the only thing I'm really familiar with. I know that different states has created similar laws. Some have held up I think and some not because they violated RvW.

Give me some examples.

But let me clear the air. While, as a personal preference, I think viability clause in RvW isn't too intrusive. The stats show that as a rule that's not a time of pregnancy that most women seek abortions. 85% are 12 weeks and under...no question...as you know. So there's such a minor issue with abortion in both the 2nd and 3rd trimesters.

That said...NO MATTER WHAT...my support goes to women to make their own choices regarding their reproductive health and roles. ..PERIOD.

I know, I know...get in line with Jay, Chez, Bob, Logicman, and a few others...call me an immoral person who doesn't respect life...a person who supports killing unborn innocent babies...I'm use to it.
 
JayDubya said:
Right aren't given. What you have asserted is irrational.
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Mere semantics...the 'right' to life is not inherentm(his term) to a fetus....esp. since it may not even reach term.

However the recognition of rights is entirely up to society. The governing body of American society and many of its citizens are rational enough not to recognize having rights...and even more recognize that it is not 'right' to force their belief in such on others who do not.
 
Removable Mind said:
That said...NO MATTER WHAT...my support goes to women to make their own choices regarding their reproductive health and roles. ..PERIOD.
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So, you do not support feticide laws?
 
ChezC3 said:
Further, you've also demonstrated that if life has no inherent value my point is exemplified in that a rationalization can be made to end life whenever and by whomever as popular opinion dictates.


Nothing like shouting victory in the throws of defeat...

But that's consistent wtih your outlook.

:lamo
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Had to rethink that huh?

The value of individuals that are born is easily quantified in many terms....to many people. Even an infant.

Please...feel free to quantify the fetus's value in any manner...to anyone besides the mother (again, I do include immediate family). You can go with the chemicals its body can be broken down to and their market value if you like.
 
scatt said:
So, you do not support feticide laws?
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Probably not...but please dispense with your MO. I can't answer such a question unless you provide specific provisions...show me examples.
 
Removable Mind said:
Probably not...but please dispense with your MO. I can't answer such a question unless you provide specific provisions...show me examples.
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If you do not know what feticide is, say so.
 
scatt said:
If you do not know what feticide is, say so.
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Scatt...seems as though we're done. You're boring me with your usual type of posts. If you can't respond to my posts as I ask...then don't waste my time. I'm well aware of it's meaning.
 
Okay, do you support feticide laws? Your answer was maybe, which is not an answer.
 
scatt said:
Okay, do you support feticide laws? Your answer was maybe, which is not an answer.
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:lamo Maybe...hey Scatt....give you a hundred buckitos to cut and paste that answer...

You don't have a clue about my what my answer is? Really...gezzzzzzusgaawd.

I don't like STATE CONTROL myself...how about you?
 
Don't come back.
 
Lursa said:
Really? Give me the value of the fetus.
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It's hard to because it's subjective.

In my opinion, on a scale of 0 to 10 it would be a 0 if the human species is on the critically endangered species I MIGHT be generous and give it a 1.
 
scatt said:
Fetus homicide. Feticide.
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No, my definition was correct, because there is no feticide unless the fetus died during a criminal attack on the woman.

All feticide laws exclude legal abortions.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
Which is a inconsistency in the USA not in Canada where I reside at.
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The only thing consistent with laws related to feticide, and really abortion in general, (state by state or country by country) is the backward, dogmatic mentality of moral fascist lawmakers who are trying to control women's reproductive health and role. They're everywhere.
 
minnie616 said:
No, my definition was correct, because there is no feticide unless the fetus died during a criminal attack on the woman.
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Like I said, fetus homicide.
 
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