Life at Conception

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Dude.

Some people are religious, some people aren't religious. Ain't a one of them that can scientifically prove the existence of a soul... or for that matter, prove it doesn't exist.

Many of the religious folks I know would say that's because things like souls and gods are all about faith.

If you can't prove the soul exists in the first place, then you logically can't prove anything ABOUT said soul.



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Or are you just yanking our collective chain? I think the latter.

I can't like this post for some reason.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

1. Nope. Science has proven life continues after death. I can prove it too.

2. Science and religion both say the same thing but use different words.

1. Sure someone can make claims that something is true and just recklessly throw left and right the word ''science'' but that wouldn't make there position sound anymore legitimate than saying ''science has proved that it can ran cats and dogs.''

2. Mmmm sure they do. :roll: The religious back than though the moon was flat and labled it science as in pseudo science. The hardcore science proved them wrong.

 

[serato]

Lol you guys are too predictable. Create a post that says science proved life exists after death and it will be a matter of minutes before the designated clutters come to bury it with useless information

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Lol you guys are too predictable. Create a post that says science proved life exists after death and it will be a matter of minutes before the designated clutters come to bury it with useless information

You seemingly are predictable. :lol:

Someone who provides info that counter acts your is all of a sudden labled ''useless information.''

 

[serato]

1. Sure someone can make claims that something is true and just recklessly throw left and right the word ''science'' but that wouldn't make there position sound anymore legitimate than saying ''science has proved that it can ran cats and dogs.''

2. Mmmm sure they do. :roll: The religious back than though the moon was flat and labled it science as in pseudo science. The hardcore science proved them wrong.

I can make my claims because I can back every word. I can separate your feeble consciousness and send it to many places.

 

[minnie616]

It appears this site has people cluttering every thread with useless information. The soul enters the body after 49 days...deal with it. .....

Many Christian denominations believe that the soul does not enter the body until quickening , some believe it does not enter the body until birth.

Where is the scientific link that disproves for a fact our belief?

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Many Christian denominations believe that the soul does not enter the body until quickening , some believe it does not enter the body until birth.

Where is the scientific link that disproves for a fact our belief?

It's hard to even tell if a adult human even has a ''soul.'' It's nothing more but pseudo science on his part.

Per the actual scientific facts though a adult human has a mind and with it mental abilities that ordinary animals lack.

 

[prometeus]

I can make my claims because I can back every word. I can separate your feeble consciousness and send it to many places.

And no doubt you can make lightning bolts shoot out of your arse. What you clearly can not do is prove any of them drivel you assert.

 

[Removable Mind]

It appears this site has people cluttering every thread with useless information. The soul enters the body after 49 days...deal with it. All religions talk about the pineal gland with specifics that science has recently proved and if this doesn't interest you then stay stupid, but stop posting b'cause you'd have nothing useful to contribute to any subject. A person needs to be aware of the big picture before discussing the smaller details.

The big picture is...nobody has ever proved there to be a soul in the first place.

 

[minnie616]

The big picture is...nobody has ever proved there to be a soul in the first place.

Exactly.
Some believe in souls and others don't.

The belief in a soul is usually a religious belief and different religions believe the soul enters the body at different stages of development.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Exactly.
Some believe in souls and others don't.

The belief in a soul is usually a religious belief and different religions believe the soul enters the body at different stages of development.

Yeah some of my religious adoptive family members even told me that ''a soul'' enters the body of a human at around 2.5 years of age since at that point, a human usually gains the mental ability to place value on their own existence (if you know what I mean by that.)

 

[minnie616]

Yeah some of my religious adoptive family members even told me that ''a soul'' enters the body of a human at around 2.5 years of age since at that point, a human usually gains the mental ability to place value on their own existence (if you know what I mean by that.)

My belief is it happens before than but I respect others people's religions and personal beliefs.

And since the US is a secular country it is important to keep our laws secular and never base them on religious doctrine.

 

[ChezC3]

This confuses “human life” with the completely independent concept of “person”. If the United Nations organization is officially willing to respectfully interact with extraterrestrial nonhuman intelligent beings as if they were persons, then that obviously means that the concept of “person” need not have anything at all to do with “human life”.

So while persons should be respected, since very likely a lack of such respect could become widespread and detrimental to any society comprised of interacting persons, it remains true that unborn humans fail to qualify as persons, and so abortions occur completely outside the more-accurate philosophical point.

relativistic twaddle.

No person here today is here today without being allowed to live past the point where some think it is OK to end their life prematurely.

 

[serato]

Forget I ever call the consciousness a soul. Let's just call the consciousness a consciousness. A consciousness is where thoughts are generated from and thoughts are energy. It's impossible to argue this statement but google "water crystal thought experiments" and witness just how affecting this vibrational energy can be. So, if a thought is energy, then its source - the conciousness - must also be a form of energy. Does anyone disagree? No need in wasting further time if basic facts cannot be acknowledged. If nobody disagrees, I'll continue..uhh, on second thought...there's no need to waste time typing a 3page post to prove my claims, only to have it buried under garbage. If you truly desire truth, you'll find it. The Collective Consciousness or Christ Consciousness is a very real place in this multi-dimensional Universe and it's where all truth is stored. Edgar Cayce was able to extract his medical advice from it, and nobody called him a fraud. His work stands for itself. There is an entire library in Virgina or N.C, I think, that publically displays his accurate readings. The Collective Consciousness looks like an electric pale-blue current that flows like a swift river. Find it and ask for Truth and you'll never view the world with blinders again. The request must be genuine or you'll be denied.

What I can do is nothing compared to what some guys at MacDill are capable of. To bad those guys are a bunch of creeps.

 

[Removable Mind]

relativistic twaddle.

No person here today... is here today... without being allowed.... to live past the point where some think it is OK to end their life prematurely.

Profound, Chez...

But what does that comment have to do with the following:

This confuses “human life” with the completely independent concept of “person”. If the United Nations organization is officially willing to respectfully interact with extraterrestrial nonhuman intelligent beings as if they were persons, then that obviously means that the concept of “person” need not have anything at all to do with “human life”.

So while persons should be respected, since very likely a lack of such respect could become widespread and detrimental to any society comprised of interacting persons, it remains true that unborn humans fail to qualify as persons, and so abortions occur completely outside the more-accurate philosophical point.

 

[Scrabaholic]

“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” -- Ronald Reagan

The wench who birthed me should have aborted each and every one of her pregnancies - she had no business giving birth.

 

[ChezC3]

Profound, Chez...

But what does that comment have to do with the following:

He was attempting to make a distinction, when there is none except that which is created in the imagination.

 

[ChezC3]

The wench who birthed me should have aborted each and every one of her pregnancies - she had no business giving birth.

and yet you're here to give your testimony. How cool is it that you're alive to give your opinion? Eh? Pretty cool...

nihilism on display does not convince me nor dissuade...

 

[Removable Mind]

He was attempting to make a distinction, when there is none except that which is created in the imagination.

A distinction between what or whom?

 

[ChezC3]

A distinction between what or whom?

Did you read the quote? Human life and person.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

Did you read the quote? Human life and person.

The distinction does indeed need to be made or otherwise we will run into some problems in the future and thinking that rights need to be given only based solely on species membership is not going to cut it.

 

[ChezC3]

The distinction does indeed need to be made or otherwise we will run into some problems in the future and thinking that rights need to be given only based solely on species membership is not going to cut it.

To follow your train of thought the obvious conclusion that can be drawn is that "person" or "personhood" is a developmental stage. A parallel could be shown and argument made that the developmental stages of adolescence to manhood could be met with the same subjective determination to prematurely terminate.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

1. To follow your train of thought the obvious conclusion that can be drawn is that "person" or "personhood" is a developmental stage.

2. A parallel and argument could be made that the developmental stages of adolescence to manhood could be met with the same subjective determination to prematurely terminate.

1. FALSE, Personhood is often based on mental abilities not on developmental stage of a organism.

2. Sure but you would be making a huge mistake doing that as your average adolescence has traits that ordinary animals lack.

 

[Removable Mind]

Did you read the quote? Human life and person.

There's a clear difference.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

There's a clear difference.

Exactly though some fail to realize that since none of them really want to examine more closely.