Lies of Abortion Supporters

[minnie616]

I'm not interested in what groups/orgs are doing; I was asking what those posting on this thread who have stated that those who are pro-life don't give a damn what happens after a baby is born what they themselves are doing to help.

We do a lot to help women , especially those who need resources to keep their families healthy , educated and loved but what you really want to know is our /their personal charitable work , yet you won’t share your religious views because they are your private info ?


In that case I will agree full heartedly with weaver2

I understand what you are asking for. You want everyone to lay their charitable work cards on the table so you can play righteousness rummy.

 

[nota bene]

We do a lot to help women , especially those who need resources to keep their families healthy , educated and loved but what you really want to know is our /their personal charitable work , yet you won’t share your religious views because they are your private info ?


In that case I will agree full heartedly with weaver2

What do religious views have to do with this discussion? Must one be "religious" to care about the newly born and their moms/families if intact?
I simply asked of those who perpetuate the myth that those who are pro-life care only about the unborn and nothing about those who are born what they themselves are doing to help the born? Is contributing to the March of Dimes or to St. Jude's a religious thing? Is helping moms by buying formula or helping them find housing a religious thing?

 

[weaver2]

What do religious views have to do with this discussion? Must one be "religious" to care about the newly born and their moms/families if intact?
I simply asked of those who perpetuate the myth that those who are pro-life care only about the unborn and nothing about those who are born what they themselves are doing to help the born? Is contributing to the March of Dimes or to St. Jude's a religious thing? Is helping moms by buying formula or helping them find housing a religious thing?

Oh you object to myths ? What about all the myths about pro-choice you people invent and propagate: we are murdering babies, we are immoral, women are selfish, 3rd trimester abortions are happening all the time, women are aborting babies alive then killing them, women are just aborting so they can go back to partying, abortion causes breast cancer. And that's just the beginning.

 

[nota bene]

Oh you object to myths ? What about all the myths about pro-choice you people invent...

Whataboutism, and then "you people." You lost me right here.

 

[weaver2]

Whataboutism, and then "you people." You lost me right here.

You said you wanted a discussion, but what about and you people prevent you from it. Let me rephrase that so you are not offended and are able to continue discussing what you are objecting to what you call a myth.

In what way is it a myth to state that conservatives do not support legislation that provides for poor children and their families after they are born. Would you like to talk about sources or rejected legislation? Perhaps you would like to see some original quotes from conservative Congressmen and women showing a singular lack of interest in support for those children they say must not be denied the right to live. Would you like to discuss why it is not OK to deny that right but it's OK to deny support after that right to life has been accomplished.

"No?" You don't want to discuss anything like that. So the complaints of getting lost finding your way past "you people" and whataboutism are just an excuse not to discuss. Why is that? You understand myth making all too well. You use the myths made by conservatives like battering rams.

 

[nota bene]

Really, weaver? Name one, and be sure to produce the post in which you claim I said it.

Or don't bother. You are unwilling to even see me as an individual.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

And what exactly makes you think that all libertarians universally agree on what in minimal and what areas require government? Even liberals and conservatives don't have a universal philosophy.

All libertarians are libertarians, they do have something in common.

Well duh. Name for me libertarians who do not want state intervention for issues like rape, assault, theft, etc. We even hold a variety of opinions on when taxes are needed and what infrastructure various levels of government should be in.

Libertarian rapists or libertarian thieves would be happy to have no state intervention for these things.

I'm not as certain as to the abuse of left and right, as to abuse on where a person sits on the line.

What line?

To some extreme pro life people, anyone who advocate for allowing abortion for any reason is a far left advocate even if the same position in all other areas. Said extreme pro life person, won't even see themselves as extreme.

I disagree, the terms "left" and "right" originated in France after the French Revolution, those supporting the King and Church congregated on the right of the chamber and those in favor of abolition of the monarchy and reduced Church influence sat on the left.

By this definition both Republicans and Democrats are "lefties" since they both share the view there should be no King (there was but the US too had a revolution).

I personally see a lot of advantages to various socialist aspects, and we even see them in the current US structure, especially in infrastructure. That doesn't mean that all of socialism is good or bad (subjective views to begin with). Even socialists don't have a universal philosophy.

There are indeed, a fine example being the nationalized health systems we see in almost every developed country except the USA, in these countries the health system is considered to be "infrastructure".

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I notice that when confronted with this biblical point that the pro-life never address or counter it.

Exodus does not justify or condone abortion at all, here's an analysis.

 

[HumblePi]

It seems to me that pro-lifers are only concerned with an unborn fetus but once that fetus develops into a child and has needs, they really could give a damn anymore. "I saved you from abortion, now run along and do your best to survive." How many 'conservative pro-lifers' cheered when Donald Trump's 2021 fiscal budget de-funded public benefit programs such as Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP), and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)?

Reducing poverty and providing access to the basics such as food, housing, and medical care is of the utmost importance for young children. However, Christian conservatives seem to have a cutoff point of life where they end their concern for children. Is it birth, one-year old, three, ten? At what age does a living child not matter to them anymore? Even worse, children of color and immigrant children or children from mixed families face even greater barriers to accessing these programs.

One day it may happen that both parties agree that children of all ages should be our single most important concern, for they, above all, will inherit this country and should be our most valued priority.

 

[Peter King]

An Italian woman was advised by her obstetrician to have her unborn son aborted. He would be born with grave medical defects.

As a loving mother, she wanted her baby and had him. His name: Andrea Bocelli.

Stopping a beating heart isn't "murder"? In what world do you live.
Your fanatics have proposed laws to legalize murdering babies born alive when their abortions are botched. Your fanatics have proposed legalizing the murder of children until they are two years old.

The doctor wrongly thought that, but in 2021 we have MRI and very high level imaging technology that takes a lot out of the guessing game from assessing how handicapped a fetus would be when born.

 

[prometeus]

1. It's a woman's right to "choose". Big lie.
A. It's not her body she is having butchered. It's a new, unique human being, with half the DNA of its father.
B. Fathers should have a choice. Proabortionists deny them their choice to have and hold and raise their child. Fathers may have to pay child support for 18 years, and they certainly have no "choice" there either.
C. In China, tens of millions of women have had their female babies butchered. This is called "barbaric" by proabortionists and they are correct. They simply don't apply their standards to women who have boys and girls butchered.

2. Roe v. Wade began with the lie that Norma McCorvey was raped. She perjured her testimony. It should be overturned based on perjured testimony.

3. "My body, my 'choice'."
Big, huge lie. That unique DNA is NOT the killer's body.

4. Many adults who are alive today survived botched abortions and they are very glad to have done so, as are their temporarily insane mothers.

5. Draw a line, left to right. Label the left origin "conception" and the right end "full term delivery" at 9 months on this time line. Now draw a vertical line somewhere through the horizontal line where YOU contend that on the left side, this human can be slaughtered, but one second later, it cannot. Justify your absurd claim with science, and logic.
(You cannot.)

And you think that by posting that litany of lies you made a valid point?

 

[bongsaway]

1. I have reported your offensive and childish post. The authorities of this site may not choose to ban you, but they should.
2. None of us have to "deal with" anyone who is murdered. You don't seem to care in the least about anyone who is murdered because you don't have to "deal with" those killed. You have no compassion, no conscience whatever.
3. I created a website pointing out injustices of many murders of whites by blacks - not that you care or have to "deal with" any of them.

White Lives Don't Matter

whitelivesdontmatter.blogspot.com

Can you give us the name of even one of these murdered entities of which you are speaking?

 

[bongsaway]

I hope you aren't suggesting that only CHICKS are entitled to an opinion in this forum.

But hey, if you want to limit who's allowed to offer an opinion in this forum, why should women who have never been pregnant and never will be have a right to an opinion? Why should any woman who hasn't had an abortion be entitled to one?

What you've characterized as "trash, lies, and idiocy" is obviously contrary to your viewpoint, but there is no reason to say that someone whose opinion differs from yours is lying. Just a little bit of respect for those whose viewpoints you oppose would go a long way toward a civil discussion.

And if your "come-back" is that someone who doesn't see things the way you do doesn't deserve respect, I'll say "Be better."

Nota, with all due respect how do you have a civil discussion with a person who will not recognize reality? How do you have a civil discussion with someone who insists the election was rigged and trump won? In my opinion it's like asking for a civil discussion about gun rights or religion. Both sides are right and neither listens to the other. This is the america we live in today.

 

[prometeus]

The "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" may be found in our Founding Documents.

Can you define that?

The "right" to murder an unborn baby is heinous and evil.

And even implying such right is outright moronic.

Before you were conceived in the womb I knew you. - The Holy Bible

Is that part of the "Founding Documents" also?

 

[nota bene]

Nota, with all due respect how do you have a civil discussion with a person who will not recognize reality? How do you have a civil discussion with someone who insists the election was rigged and trump won? In my opinion it's like asking for a civil discussion about gun rights or religion. Both sides are right and neither listens to the other. This is the america we live in today.

I think that distinguishing between someone "who will not recognize reality" and someone "who disagrees fundamentally with my beliefs" is a beginning. But I understand what you mean.

 

[prometeus]

Badly needed science lesson for you:

Clearly you need it more than anyone here.

Sperm cells are just that, cells. They're not a person.

Neither is a zygote

They cannot grow into a person, ever.

Neither can a zygote without the body of a woman.

This is elementary but obviously it went right over your head. You Leftists/atheists say the most inane things and pretend that they are significant and meaningful when they are anything but.

And you make ignorant accusations.

 

[weaver2]

Or don't bother.

Thanks, I won't

 

[HumblePi]

I'm not interested in what groups/orgs are doing; I was asking what those posting on this thread who have stated that those who are pro-life don't give a damn what happens after a baby is born what they themselves are doing to help.

We can all talk about the many contributions we've all made at one time or another to charities like St. Jude's, Children's Health Fund or Children's Defense Fund, even Relief International, but those are private, charitable tax deductible private donations. That does little to aid hungry kids living in poverty right here in the US. The programs that matter come from Bills passed in Congress. Those really matter to a greater number of impoverished children in this country.

Less than two months after signing massive tax cuts that largely benefited those at the top of the economic ladder, Trump has put out a 2019 budget that massively cut basic assistance that millions of families struggling to get by need to help pay the rent, put food on the table, and get health care. The SNAP program was cut by more than $213 billion over the next ten years, or by nearly 30 percent. It imposed large benefit cuts on most households even though current benefits average just $1.40 per person per meal. It also included cuts to other other benefit and eligibility cuts that would cause at least 4 million people to lose SNAP benefits altogether.

While benefits for the top 10% of tax payers in this country was vastly enhanced it came at a cost to families with children struggling to make ends meet. 'Robbing from Peter to pay Paul?' -- no that's not even close. Trump enriched the rich and sacrificed the welfare of young kids to do it. No, 'conservatives' do not care what happens once a baby is born, they're only concerned that it is, after that, they're on their own.

 

[nota bene]

We can all talk about the many contributions we've all made at one time or another to charities like St. Jude's, Children's Health Fund or Children's Defense Fund, even Relief International, but those are private, charitable tax deductible private donations. That does little to aid hungry kids living in poverty right here in the US. The programs that matter come from Bills passed in Congress. Those really matter to a greater number of impoverished children in this country.

I skipped your screed, but I am, in fact, talking about what individuals do rather than what Congress does. Are you really saying that private donations don't help charitable organizations such as the United Way?

 

[HIP56948]

Many such stories are fabrications designed to brainwash children into falling for anti-choice rhetoric. Those that lie to children like that are abusing those children.



The number one reason that womb owners choose to abort is economics. But your side doesn't want to address that problem. Nor do you want the very comprehensive sex ed taught that would prevent people from getting accidentally knocked up. You people are pro-forced-birth, not "prolife." See my sig #1.



You don't get to decide where viability is. That's not your decision for anyone if you don't have a womb. If you don't like abortions, don't have intercourse, and encourage (other) cis men to do the same.

I could be in error but I suspect you've had that conversation so many times, you truly would be a millionaire if you had the proverbial nickel for every time I've.........
It just never ends, doesn't it? ...out of the woodwork they come...

 

[serttress]

1. It's a woman's right to choose.
A. The fetus is both a product of her body and a part of her body. The mother is also the one who understands best what the quality of the fetus' life would be.
B. More than likely, when the mother has a good relationship with the father, she will include him in the decision to have an abortion or not. But if they have a bad relationship, rape, abuse, etc., should the father really be a part of the decision.
C. I'm not entirely sure what you're referencing here. If you're talking about killing babies after they have been born, that is completely different from abortion.

2. The decision of Roe v. Wade was not because of Norma McCorvey's claim she was raped. https://www.factcheck.org/2018/10/rape-wasnt-part-of-roe-decision/

3. See 1A.

4. There is no way to know before an abortion whether or not the life of the fetus will be happy, but the woman is the best judge of that, and most likely will use that in her decision.

5. In my opinion, abortion is not a scientific or logical issue. It is purely ethical. Also, you are unable to justify your own stance with your own demand.

 

[weaver2]

I skipped your screed, but I am, in fact, talking about what individuals do rather than what Congress does. Are you really saying that private donations don't help charitable organizations such as the United Way?

Private donations help private charitable organizations but they are limited in scope and can't address large, widespread social problems. For that one needs national policy decisions and acts of Congress.

Private charities especially religious ones come with a price tag. You don't get services from Catholic Charities with out ideology. There is no ideology associated with government programs such as SNAP.

 

[nota bene]

Private donations help private charitable organizations but they are limited in scope and can't address large, widespread social problems. For that one needs national policy decisions and acts of Congress.

Private charities especially religious ones come with a price tag. You don't get services from Catholic Charities with out ideology. There is no ideology associated with government programs such as SNAP.

I see. Depend on Big Daddy government.

Please explain what you mean about Catholic Charities requiring "ideology." Are you saying that only those who agree to convert or at least listen to a sermon or two are denied services?

 

[Josie]

A. The fetus is both a product of her body and a part of her body. The mother is also the one who understands best what the quality of the fetus' life would be.

5. In my opinion, abortion is not a scientific or logical issue. It is purely ethical. Also, you are unable to justify your own stance with your own demand.

No, a fetus isn't part of a woman's body. The woman's body parts have her DNA. A fetus has his/her own DNA.

It's ethical to kill some humans?

 

[Josie]

We can all talk about the many contributions we've all made at one time or another to charities like St. Jude's, Children's Health Fund or Children's Defense Fund, even Relief International, but those are private, charitable tax deductible private donations. That does little to aid hungry kids living in poverty right here in the US. The programs that matter come from Bills passed in Congress. Those really matter to a greater number of impoverished children in this country.

Then go help those kids directly. Go ask a school who needs help with food and clothes. Go ask a social worker which families need a leg up with their electricity bill. Go pay off someone's hospital bills or car or house. Offer to pay for someone's child care so they can work. You don't need the government to give them your money -- YOU give them your money. That will not only help them out financially with their specific needs, but it could also greatly help their mental health. They'll see that you as an individual care about them and that they aren't just some government statistic. And doing good for others helps you too.