Lies, damn lies, infamous lies, and blatant lies!

This thread is due to an assertion by Conservative that Obama has told more lies in his first year of office than Trump has. I didn't want to derail a thread and get into a discussion of lies there, so I created this thread specifically as a contest to see who really is the liar in chief.

Personally, I think Trump is the real champ, but maybe Conservative is correct. We'll see.

So, this is s thread to post lies told by Obama in the first year, and Trump to date. Let's see who wins the Liar Award.

I'll kick it off:

Trump: “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.”

Obama: "We import more oil today than ever before."

There you go. The contest is even right now. Let's see who wins the race though.

If it comes to counting lies, doesn't magnitude, impact and frequency all have to be taken into account?

Braggadocio doesn't count for much, where as lies about fact, or what ends up to be fact, would certainly have to be rated as a more egregious lie, wouldn't they?

eohrnberger said:

If it comes to counting lies, doesn't magnitude, impact and frequency all have to be taken into account?

Braggadocio doesn't count for much, where as lies about fact, or what ends up to be fact, would certainly have to be rated as a more egregious lie, wouldn't they?

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I suppose we could rate the lies on a one to ten scale, but that would be pretty subjective. How do we gauge the egregiousness of a lie?

eohrnberger said:

If it comes to counting lies, doesn't magnitude, impact and frequency all have to be taken into account?

Braggadocio doesn't count for much, where as lies about fact, or what ends up to be fact, would certainly have to be rated as a more egregious lie, wouldn't they?

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How many times did Trump say Mexico was going to pay for the wall, yet he is asking for BILLIONS (yes with a "B") for it. That doesn't sound like Mexico is paying for it to me.

Praxas said:

How many times did Trump say Mexico was going to pay for the wall, yet he is asking for BILLIONS (yes with a "B") for it. That doesn't sound like Mexico is paying for it to me.

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Hasn’t happened yet, so we cannot count it as a lie yet can we?


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Dittohead not! said:

I suppose we could rate the lies on a one to ten scale, but that would be pretty subjective. How do we gauge the egregiousness of a lie?

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If someone brags about how big their dick is, I really don't care, and it doesn't hurt anyone.

If someone promises huge reductions in a common house hold expense that ends up being even more expensive, that is damaging (just two examples off the top of my head).

Yet a example might be a promise and assurance that there isn't a smidgen of corruption, when later revealed being rife with corruption (I dunno, how damaging is federal government corruption?)

Seems like this is far more a multi-varied, multi-aspect measurement challenge than what it might initially appear to be.

MrShangles said:

Hasn’t happened yet, so we cannot count it as a lie yet can we?


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What do you mean it hasn't happened, he's demanding money NOW from congress. So yeah, it's a lie.

The affordable care act is not a tax.

Dittohead not! said:

This thread is due to an assertion by Conservative that Obama has told more lies in his first year of office than Trump has. I didn't want to derail a thread and get into a discussion of lies there, so I created this thread specifically as a contest to see who really is the liar in chief.

Personally, I think Trump is the real champ, but maybe Conservative is correct. We'll see.

So, this is s thread to post lies told by Obama in the first year, and Trump to date. Let's see who wins the Liar Award.

I'll kick it off:

Trump: “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.”

Obama: "We import more oil today than ever before."

There you go. The contest is even right now. Let's see who wins the race though.

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Trump has clearly exaggerated and lied more than Obama. Frivolous lies - vs - lies that hurt or effect people is more important.

eohrnberger said:

If someone brags about how big their dick is, I really don't care, and it doesn't hurt anyone.

If someone promises huge reductions in a common house hold expense that ends up being even more expensive, that is damaging (just two examples off the top of my head).

Yet a example might be a promise and assurance that there isn't a smidgen of corruption, when later revealed being rife with corruption (I dunno, how damaging is federal government corruption?)

Seems like this is far more a multi-varied, multi-aspect measurement challenge than what it might initially appear to be.

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if it's a really uuuuuge dick it might hurt someone; jus' sayin' ...........

Here's a start:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...668011285E61D8010E3&gwt=pay&assetType=opinion

All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact

KevinKohler said:

The affordable care act is not a tax.

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Well, there are some who would disagree with that statement.\

us supreme court rules obamacare mandate survives as a tax
nation.foxnews.com/obamacare-supreme-court.../us-supreme-court-rules-obamacare-...
Jun 27, 2012 - Supreme Court upholds individual mandate, ObamaCare survivesPublished June 28, 2012 | FoxNews.comThe Supreme Court has upheld the centerpiece of President Obama's health care overhaul, in effect allowing the law to.

What the Supreme Court ruled on health care 'tax' - CNNPolitics
What the Supreme Court ruled on health care 'tax' - CNNPolitics
Jul 5, 2012 - Health care and the high court – Supporters of the health care legislation celebrate after theSupreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in a 5-4 ruling on June 28, 2012. ... In its ruling last week on the national health care law ...

Supreme Court Upholds Mandate as Tax - WSJ
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304898704577480371370927862
Jun 29, 2012 - Cheers and Jeers as Court Rules on Health Care. Click For Sound. A noisy and divided crowd waited on the steps of the Supreme Court Thursday for the contentious health care law ruling. As WSJ's Neil Hickey reports, the 5-4 decision to largely uphold the Affordable Care Act was greeted with shock and ...

The Obamacare "Tax" That Chief Justice Roberts Invented Is Still ...
https://www.forbes.com/.../the-obamacare-tax-that-chief-justice-roberts-invented-is-stil...

May 12, 2014 - As we all know, two years ago, Chief Justice John Roberts changed the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate into a tax and thus rescued President Obama's signature legislation. What you may not know is that with this slight of hand—or flick of the wrist—he actually sent Obamacare flying from the ...

When Is A Penalty A Tax? Sorting Through The SCOTUS Health Care ...
https://www.forbes.com/.../when-is-a-penalty-a-tax-sorting-through-the-scotus-health-...
Jun 28, 2012 - Official 2005 photo of Chief Justice John G. Roberts (Photo credit: Wikipedia) So first things, first. The Supreme Court upheld the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (a little background on the Act can be found here). It was a close decision, with the final vote being 5-4. The opinion was [...]

If the ACA weren't ruled a tax, then it would have been unconstitutional, as the government can't force anyone to buy something they don't want, unless its a tax.

Every politician lies... like what are you trying to prove?

JayMode2017 said:

Every politician lies... like what are you trying to prove?

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I thought Trump wasn't a politician?

Dittohead not! said:

This thread is due to an assertion by Conservative that Obama has told more lies in his first year of office than Trump has. I didn't want to derail a thread and get into a discussion of lies there, so I created this thread specifically as a contest to see who really is the liar in chief.

Personally, I think Trump is the real champ, but maybe Conservative is correct. We'll see.

So, this is s thread to post lies told by Obama in the first year, and Trump to date. Let's see who wins the Liar Award.

I'll kick it off:

Trump: “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.”

Obama: "We import more oil today than ever before."

There you go. The contest is even right now. Let's see who wins the race though.

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Anyone who thinks Obama lied anywhere near as much as Trump is an idiot.

Dittohead not! said:

I suppose we could rate the lies on a one to ten scale, but that would be pretty subjective. How do we gauge the egregiousness of a lie?

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Promising the people of The United States that can keep their plan, keep their doctor and save $2500 under Obamacare is a pretty egregious lie. Yes?

apdst said:

Promising the people of The United States that can keep their plan, keep their doctor and save $2500 under Obamacare is a pretty egregious lie. Yes?

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It's not a lie, if he believed it while saying it.

Praxas said:

What do you mean it hasn't happened, he's demanding money NOW from congress. So yeah, it's a lie.

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He said we will build it and get money back from them in different ways.
So if we pay for it now then get money later it wouldn’t be a lie would it, so we can’t us that one yet ,now go get your crayons and play in the corner.


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calamity said:

It's not a lie, if he believed it while saying it.

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Oh, is that it? :lamo

Thank you!!!

Praxas said:

What do you mean it hasn't happened, he's demanding money NOW from congress. So yeah, it's a lie.

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It wasn't a lie, if he believed it when he said. Calamity says so.

apdst said:

Oh, is that it? :lamo

Thank you!!!

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Yeah, you point to one reference Obama made in a speech, on an issue that could easily have changed over the ensuing years after he said it before ACA kicked in, while ignoring countless, outright lies told by Trump, almost all of which were proven to be lies within hours of him saying or tweeting them.

calamity said:

Yeah, you point to one reference Obama made in a speech, on an issue that could easily have changed over the ensuing years after he said it before ACA kicked in, while ignoring countless, outright lies told by Trump, almost all of which were proven to be lies within hours of him saying or tweeting them.

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It's funny how you people go back and forth on what constitutes a lie, depending who said it.

Don't change...really.

apdst said:

It's funny how you people go back and forth on what constitutes a lie, depending who said it.

Don't change...really.

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It's funny that you have to point to one misstatement by Obama while ignoring over 200 outright lies by Trump. :roll:

apdst said:

It's funny how you people go back and forth on what constitutes a lie, depending who said it.

Don't change...really.

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Then please explain in your own words what a lie is.

calamity said:

It's funny that you have to point to one misstatement by Obama while ignoring over 200 outright lies by Trump. :roll:

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Yeah, it's always a "misstatement" when Obama does it.