Liberals want a recession

[Dittohead not!]

No. His Socialist "Make Work" policies ensured a stagnant economy and a steady decline in the standard of living. Absolutely horrid economic record no matter how you try to slice it. From any angle it just comes up rotten eggs.

Yet, if you plot economic growth from 2009 until today, it's a steady increase. There are some ups and downs, of course, but the average is a nice smooth upward graph. There is no sudden growth spurt after the Trump election.

 

[LibDave]

Yet, if you plot economic growth from 2009 until today, it's a steady increase. There are some ups and downs, of course, but the average is a nice smooth upward graph. There is no sudden growth spurt after the Trump election.

I understand your desire to turn lemons into lemonade. You obviously have a bias. You are attempting to read into the data what you wish. With the vast amount of statistical data available it is easy to cherry pick and read into the data anything one wishes. It is important to understand with population increases come increases in GDP. Just maintaining efficiency and economic health/production results in an almost 2% increase in GDP. Anything less represents a REAL drop in the Standard of Living. Over an 8 year span under Obama we actually lost significant ground over and above modern innovation. A 0% increase in economic activity results in a 65% decrease in output per worker and a commensurate reduction of standard of living in just 1 generation (25 years). Obama's economic record failed to even hold the line. This despite a doubling of the debt to GDP Ratio to levels not seen since WWII. This is an abysmal record unmatched by any other in US history. It is indicative of results obtained throughout the world wherever socialism has been implemented.

Has our standard of living improved, and what was the cost in terms of financial well being. These are the yardsticks of import. Historically GDP has increased at a rate of 3.5%, well above the 2% holding line. While an increase in GDP output of just 1.5% above the holding line may seem insignificant it results in a 440% improvement in Standard of Living over a 100 year span. This has resulted in the amazing rise in the US standard of living seen since the US began in 1776. It is the normal experience when unfettered capitalism is encouraged. Trump has managed to get us back on track in just 2 short years despite the recent debt burden placed upon us. Nothing spectacular in comparison to our national history. But definitely spectacular in terms of the damage Obama left in his wake.

 

[JackA]

To answer your question, only the stupid liberals...like the two you mentioned...will come right out and say they hope we have a recession. The non-stupid ones do it differently. They will say, "Of course, we don't want a recession." But then they'll turn around, make up **** to justify their prediction of a recession...and then blame Trump for it. (even though it hasn't happened, won't happen and even though the facts show that the economy is doing great)

These non-stupid liberals are much more dangerous than the stupid liberals.

Neither Engel nor Maher is stupid, thus sinking your post in its opening phrase, though your final observation is no better. Trump's tariffs and his trade policy generally are seen by many economists, and the farmers and others affected by them, as bad for the economy and good reason to blame Trump if a recession occurs next year.

 

[Dittohead not!]

I understand your desire to turn lemons into lemonade. You obviously have a bias. You are attempting to read into the data what you wish. With the vast amount of statistical data available it is easy to cherry pick and read into the data anything one wishes. It is important to understand with population increases come increases in GDP. Just maintaining efficiency and economic health/production results in an almost 2% increase in GDP. Anything less represents a REAL drop in the Standard of Living. Over an 8 year span under Obama we actually lost significant ground over and above modern innovation. A 0% increase in economic activity results in a 65% decrease in output per worker and a commensurate reduction of standard of living in just 1 generation (25 years). Obama's economic record failed to even hold the line. This despite a doubling of the debt to GDP Ratio to levels not seen since WWII. This is an abysmal record unmatched by any other in US history. It is indicative of results obtained throughout the world wherever socialism has been implemented.

Has our standard of living improved, and what was the cost in terms of financial well being. These are the yardsticks of import. Historically GDP has increased at a rate of 3.5%, well above the 2% holding line. While an increase in GDP output of just 1.5% above the holding line may seem insignificant it results in a 440% improvement in Standard of Living over a 100 year span. This has resulted in the amazing rise in the US standard of living seen since the US began in 1776. It is the normal experience when unfettered capitalism is encouraged. Trump has managed to get us back on track in just 2 short years despite the recent debt burden placed upon us. Nothing spectacular in comparison to our national history. But definitely spectacular in terms of the damage Obama left in his wake.

Economic growth does not show that the economy suddenly started to improve after Trump was elected.


Here's a chart, just in case you might be interested.

 

[LibDave]

Economic growth does not show that the economy suddenly started to improve after Trump was elected.


Here's a chart, just in case you might be interested.

Your chart shows exactly what I described. You just refuse to see it or don't understand the implications. Under Obama there is about a 1% increase in GDP. Just maintaining SOL requires a 2% increase even if one assumes no increase in innovation whatsoever. This is why we all felt a 10% drop in our Standard of Living during the 8 years the inevitable effects of Obamanomics played out. It isn't rocket science. Anyone with a decent grasp of economics knew what the effects would be ahead of time. Your graph fails to further address the increase in the Debt:GDP (i.e. a full doubling---unheard of levels!).

I understand your desire to put on blinders because Obama was "Your Guy". I get it, I really do. But that doesn't make it a true. An honest assessment of the numbers clearly shows what we all felt during the 8 year malaise. My hope is it will motivate people to actually go out and understand WHY the socialist "make work" projects of Obama failed. To understand WHY socialism doesn't work so we don't make the same mistakes in the future. I understand you may have an emotional desire for socialist doctrine to finally vindicate itself from the ash-heap of history. It won't! Socialism fails for good reason and the economic principles which dictate its failure are well understood. It is vital we all understand what those shortcomings are to avoid the inevitable suffering which socialist policies will have, and always have had, wherever they are implemented.

Do you understand why Obama's policies (and the policies of other proponents of socialism) have always failed? This is really the important question.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Your chart shows exactly what I described. You just refuse to see it or don't understand the implications. Under Obama there is about a 1% increase in GDP. Just maintaining SOL requires a 2% increase even if one assumes no increase in innovation whatsoever. This is why we all felt a 10% drop in our Standard of Living during the 8 years the inevitable effects of Obamanomics played out. It isn't rocket science. Anyone with a decent grasp of economics knew what the effects would be ahead of time. Your graph fails to further address the increase in the Debt:GDP (i.e. a full doubling---unheard of levels!).

I understand your desire to put on blinders because Obama was "Your Guy". I get it, I really do. But that doesn't make it a true. An honest assessment of the numbers clearly shows what we all felt during the 8 year malaise. My hope is it will motivate people to actually go out and understand WHY the socialist "make work" projects of Obama failed. To understand WHY socialism doesn't work so we don't make the same mistakes in the future. I understand you may have an emotional desire for socialist doctrine to finally vindicate itself from the ash-heap of history. It won't! Socialism fails for good reason and the economic principles which dictate its failure are well understood. It is vital we all understand what those shortcomings are to avoid the inevitable suffering which socialist policies will have, and always have had, wherever they are implemented.

Do you understand why Obama's policies (and the policies of other proponents of socialism) have always failed? This is really the important question.

Just a sec... let me get my Trump glasses... Hey! Look at that! A big jump in 2017!

 

[LibDave]

Just a sec... let me get my Trump glasses... Hey! Look at that! A big jump in 2017!

Now we know. Whether conscious or subconscious liberals do want a down economy.

 

[Eriech]

Pretty much like a very liberal prior Prime Minister of Canada wanting the hurricane to directly hit Mara Largo. Liberals need an act of god to remove Trump. They can not do it.

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[Dittohead not!]

Now we know. Whether conscious or subconscious liberals do want a down economy.

It's not a down economy. The economy has been growing since 2010.

 

[PTF]

Question...

Are the liberals so scared that Trump is going to be re-elected, they want to see the US economy to collapse?

You bet...
The liberal/Demo will do anything to cause stress and unrest around the country,yet our President will be blamed.