I never defended nazism. I'm defending the nuances of the human mind.I don't claim to know what went on every single individual nazis soldiers mind. Like you are claiming.
You did say it was isolated. You said my examples were isolated. In other words, you changed your mind when I called your post out for the garbage that it was.
Some of your examples were isolated. I wasn't going to address each one.
My point still stands. There is a distinction that separates hate crimes from other crimes.
I have never claimed any such thing and I defy you to post a comment where I said that.
But OTOH I have never defended any NAZIs.
None of my examples were isolated. You said that hate crimes impact the community more than non-hate crimes. I showed you how incorrect you were. ALL crimes impact the community and it's disingenuous and childish to say otherwise to attempt to advance your talking point.
Yes they were.
Many of your examples are examples are opportunists criminals.
All crimes do not impact communities the same way. You are disingenuous to suggest that.
A crime committed in a dark back alley simply because the opportunity presented it's self is not going to effect a community 10 miles down the road.
However that same crime done because the person is Gay will effect all gays because they all are gay and thus are a potential victims no matter were they are.
Again that is the distinction.
And that is why hate crimes actually exists and your refutation against Hate crime statutes existing never hold any water.
Oh I get it now. It's better if your daughter and grandchildren are slaughtered by an opportunist criminal. Of course.
Ugh, I have to stop reading you before I hurl all over my keyboard.
Easy answer.
Texas executes man in race-motivated dragging death | Reuters
(Reuters) - Texas executed a white supremacist on Wednesday convicted of helping to kill a black man by dragging him behind a truck in what some call the most notorious race crime of the post-Civil Rights era.
Lawrence Russell Brewer, 44, was convicted of capital murder along with two other men also found guilty of taking part in the kidnapping and slaying of James Byrd Jr. in 1998.
Crimes are always judged by the damage they inflict. Hate crimes inflict more damage.
Crimes are always judged by the damage they inflict. Hate crimes inflict more damage.
That is a fine box.
because there is no intellectual logical reason to do so or because you want to stand on principal. I.e "It was a bad thing so I want bother to venture into that possibility.My question to you is do you choose to not contemplate that possibility of a nazi soldier who may not have liked what he was doing
If you can accept human mind is complex that you also have to accept that people who do bad things may do things for a wide variety of reasons.
Some children caught up with bad apples may partake in things they don't feel comfortable with doing but they do anyway because of peer pressure.
That is a real thing.
You said:
So, do you think all members of the group "NAZIs" were evil or were some good?
If I had a gay son, which I might considering I have 3 sons, and he is killed, it won't be any more horrific that he's killed because he's gay than it would be for any reason. See, I think crimes are horrific on their own. I guess the "majority" thinks crimes aren't horrific on their own.
Again, clearly dragging a man behind a truck is a heinous crime, and charged with murder, he'll serve life, or he'll be executed (Texas after all), which he richly deserves.
What's the point in the hate crime murder? You gonna execute him 2 times?
Or is it to make sure that demands of the black community are met to have such a crime?
I'm sure that had he dragged to death a white man behind his truck, that he'd have gotten some sort of hate crime charge. Yeah, right.
So in this case, how is it not that this hate crime law is fundamentally racist and discriminatory? It's clearly giving preferential, protected class status, to someone of a particular race, is it not?
LOL. That's a good one. Granted, a rather morbid subject, but still, always good to inject a bit a humor. Thanks.
Indeed. My point exactly. It's the crime, not the motivation, yet all these hate crimes are geared about the motivation, as another poster pointed out (thanks), which is far less compelling when presented than the physical evidence. It raises all kinds of questions as to 'how did you know that this was the defendant's motivation' for example, and how can one person really know another person's motivation? We have mind reading equipment now?
That's all true, but I do see a distinction between a random crime of violence and a 'hate' crime. In short, the latter is a form of domestic terrorism, and has the potential at least to instill fear in people who share characteristics of the victim that doesn't happen if the victim was random. That is in fact sometimes the purpose of some 'hate' crimes.
So in your example, if you're Jewish, and your son was killed because he was Jewish, if you live nearby it's a rational response to believe you or other members of your family are at greater risk than any random member of the community because you or your family members are also Jewish.
The box is made from and old persimmon tree felled by beavers and the inlay is polished dodo bird beak.
You made 2 points- I answered 1with a clear case of how it was determined to be a hate crime
As to supporting hate crime legislation- I do.
If I'm Jewish, and my son is killed because of some stranger randomly mowing him with a gun down for his car, I'll be afraid of being randomly mowed down for my car by some stranger.
I believe there's a little evil in all of us.
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