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Liberals Admit The Democratic Party Is Out Of Ideas.....




Yeah, but these down below were the more pressing concerns. Besides they pointed out how States have enacted Minimum wage so it will make its way around with more and more doing so by 2016. Not to mention before one can try and distribute wealth. People need to see the economy is doing better and more jobs are being created with more people back to work and or working. Also the distribution of Wealth with the War on Women was lost.



(3) "Which party would you rather see win control of Congress?" Which party do you trust more on…

- The economy (GOP +8)
- Immigration (GOP +5)
- Healthcare (Dem +4; far lower than their traditional lead)
- Managing the federal government (GOP +6)
- Protecting the country (GOP +22)
- Handling US image abroad (GOP +6)
- Same-sex marriage (Dem +15)
- Handling international crises (GOP +10)
- Handling health issues like Ebola (GOP +3) .....snip~


Also, lets not forget BO and the Demos have done nothing for minorities and employment. Not to mention Poverty hasn't been reduced under BO and the Democrats for the last 3 years.
 
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and, I just got done showing who is looked upon and more trusted with things.


Majority in U.S. Want GOP in Congress to Set Nation's Course.....

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Bottom Line

The midterm election provided a clear signal as to which party voters want to control Congress. That message is echoed in the results of the latest Gallup poll showing Americans expressly asking for the Republicans -- rather than Obama -- to guide the direction the country takes in the next year. But, after four years of partisan gridlock, most Americans are not optimistic that the election's outcome will improve things......snip~

Majority in U.S. Want GOP in Congress to Set Nation's Course

Makes perfect sense to me. Generally speaking you don't trust a liar very much. So much so, in this case, that even trust (*shudder*) Republicans!

:lamo

And only now is the realization setting in with Democrats how far over the cliff they've followed Obama. May take multiple years for the party to recover from this. Of course, it's not like there weren't many, many people who warned them well in advance.
 

So what's the excuse for the significant Democratic loss?
Might it be the lack of quality, integrity, honesty of the people running for office?

Might have more success with more moderate candidates with more moderate positions who take more moderate actions. Hmm?
 
:roll: But you are simply wrong, because Ideology is a SYSTEM OF IDEAS.


Their ideology, which is their system of Ideas are their solutions. Just as the GOP's ideology, which is their system of ideas are their solutions. Now we must see if these two systems of ideas can come to some sort of compromise, just not within each big tent party itself, but with each big tent party.

There ya go...

Their ideas ARE there solutions.

To quote Yoda, "THAT...is why you fail."

'Life isn't fair' is not a solution.
 
So what's the excuse for the significant Democratic loss?
See post #132

Might it be the lack of quality, integrity, honesty of the people running for office?
Yes because the GOP runs very positive, honest campaigns. Its practically what they are known for.

Might have more success with more moderate candidates with more moderate positions who take more moderate actions. Hmm?
The GOP ran very moderate candidates. Vey moderate. :roll:
 
When did the Democrats have the ability to pass legislation in the last Congress? That is why there was no laws being passed.

GOP could no pass legislation; the Democrats could not pass legislation. Nothing has changed.

first ....the house has the advantage on creating legislation, the senate cannot create any legislation which involves raising revenue.

the democrats won both the house and senate in 2008, they could have passed any legislation they wanted to pass with no problem.

the republicans took the house jan 2011 and have passed 387 bills of legislation, which has been sent to the senate, where REID as tabled those bills and will not bring them to the floor for a vote [even though the democrats control the senate]......the senate has done practically nothing in the last 2 years.
 
The dems here made out their party as anything but a paper tiger and we saw how that turned out. Hillary is no lightweight but she was badly beaten by a jr senator. She too is not as unstoppable as some make her out to be.

Hillary has been the "incumbent replacement" since before Obama was sworn in. A lot has changed, that was when Obama's approval rating was well above 50%.

Dynamics can change overnight, I have seen in a few dozen times. The Hillary juggernaut is not unstoppable, I agree, in fact I say it is vulnerable. Recent trend polls indicate people relate change to youth, and new faces. As well, change is the underlying aspect of all North American voting these days, as evidenced by Obama's initial victory, the wary support and now punishment for not having delivered.

By the time the official campaign begins, Hillary will be than older Reagan when he ran, she has an old image, she dresses old, her face is aging badly, her theme song is from the 1970's disco era, while the vote being chased is born between 1984 and 1998.

Her coronation is not guaranteed, in fact I suggest the more the royal couple act like they have a right to it, the more push back they will get.

And, it's like hockey. When a team expected to do well in the play off doesn't, the go Vancouver, fire the GM, replace the coaches, and "rebuild the team". If the Democrats want a shot at the cup, they are going to have to go deeper than Debbie suggests, and see where their polices are NOT right with the American people as well as address the manner in which these blowhards tried to implement. I say the problem in this defeat may be on Obama, but the direct cause was Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the rat pack who got so ****ing vicious.

A seasoned veteran Member of Parliament and Cabinet Minister at the time explained to me over several hours of excellent rye one frozen evening in Ottawa, 'in the end, we are all elected by voters whose hopes and respect lie behind that vote. To personally demean the member is to demean the voters who elected them. We can disagree on how to get things done, but if you erode the character of your opponent, you erase it for all of us.'

The Democrats lost sight of the fact Ted Cruz, like them, was elected to a high office, and if they want their own high office respected, attacking him the way the Democrats did was their own undoing. When they started attacking him as "Mexican" and then later as Canadian, I became convinced the Democratic party is racist and xenophobic to the core.

With such crude, divisive and dishonest tactics, the Democrats deserve no respect any more than bacterium on a turd.
 
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There ya go...

Their ideas ARE there solutions.

To quote Yoda, "THAT...is why you fail."

'Life isn't fair' is not a solution.

And the GOP's ideas are their solutions too. Whats your point?
 
Hillary has been the "incumbent replacement" since before Obama was sworn in. A lot has changed, that was when Obama's approval rating was well above 50%.

Dynamics can change overnight, I have seen in a few dozen times. The Hillary juggernaut is not unstoppable, I agree, in fact I say it is vulnerable. Recent trend polls indicate people relate change to youth, and new faces. As well, change is the underlying aspect of all North American voting these days, as evidenced by Obama's initial victory, the wary support and now punishment for not having delivered.

By the time the official campaign begins, Hillary will be than older Reagan when he ran, she has an old image, she dresses old, her face is aging badly, her theme song is from the 1970's disco era, while the vote being chased is born between 1984 and 1998.

Her coronation is not guaranteed, in fact I suggest the more the royal couple act like they have a right to it, the more push back they will get.

And, it's like hockey. When a team expected to do well in the play off doesn't, the go Vancouver, fire the GM, replace the coaches, and "rebuild the team". If the Democrats want a shot at the cup, they are going to have to go deeper than Debbie suggests, and see where their polices are NOT right with the American people as well as address the manner in which these blowhards tried to implement. I say the problem in this defeat may be on Obama, but the direct cause was Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the rat pack who got so ****ing vicious.

And seasoned veteran Member of Parliament and Cabinet Minister at the time explained to me over several hours of excellent rye one frozen evening in Ottawa, 'in the end, we are all elected by voters whose hopes and respect lie behind that vote. To personally demean the member is to demean the voters who elected them. We can disagree on how to get things done, but if you erode the character of your opponent, you erase it for all of us.'

The Democrats lost sight of the fact Ted Cruz, like them, was elected to a high office, and if they want their own high office respected, attacking him the way the Democrats did was their own undoing. When they stared attacking him as "Mexican" and then later as Canadian, it became convinced the Democratic party is racist and xenophobic to the core.

With such crude, divisive and dishonest tactics, the Democrats deserve no respect any more than bacterium on a turd.

Hillary is going to need some moral gymnastics to balance her unwavering support for Obamacare in the face of growing discontent with the law.

Most especially if the mounting evidence of lies, deceptions, and incompetence re Benghazi continues to be compiled and, according to the behind-the-scenes scuttlebutt, that is happening. If it is released too quickly, however, it will be deemed old news and a fickle electorate will dismiss its importance by the time the 2016 election gets geared up full steam. It is a shame what the American electorate has come to tolerate from its government though. It is likely to be the downfall of us all.
 
And the GOP's ideas are their solutions too. Whats your point?

We'll have to see, won't we? The senate has been sitting on House passed legislation for years. So...now we will see if they actually act. We will what life is like without Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in charge. We will see if the GOP has more than Hope and Change. Slogans make for ****ty 'solutions'.
 
We'll have to see, won't we?
No. Look at what they have been proposing during their campaigns look at what they have sent to the senate. Bills based off their ideas.

The senate has been sitting on House passed legislation for years.
Which are bills based off the GOPS ideas.

Slogans make for ****ty 'solutions'.
People passed bills based of slogans? I thought it was ideas? Im soooo confused now.
 
Most especially if the mounting evidence of lies, deceptions, and incompetence re Benghazi continues to be compiled and, according to the behind-the-scenes scuttlebutt, that is happening. If it is released too quickly, however, it will be deemed old news and a fickle electorate will dismiss its importance by the time the 2016 election gets geared up full steam. It is a shame what the American electorate has come to tolerate from its government though. It is likely to be the downfall of us all.

There is a lot to be ashamed about in America in my opinion, starting with the Patriot Act...the hawks who insisted on it must now regret letting it fall into the hands of a swine like Obama.

My suggestion to the Republican led congress would be to press both Benghazi and the IRS scandal. Having said that, while as you note timing is critical, they must go out of their way to ensure that it does not look overly partisan.

The voters have spoken to ALL...they are tired of the games, of using the government to beat your political opponent instead of what's right for the country. Therefore, I would try for an independent, may a special prosecutor in the IRS case, and something similar, maybe a special committee of the Senate to go into Benghazi with direct aim at Obama, letting the chips fall where they may.

In the meantime, I would be working behind the scenes to ensure that Hillary does indeed get crowned with little or no opposition. Painting her as Marie Antoinette, abolve the fray, rich and, even if they simply raise more questions, *suspect*

The greatest weapon of any politician is FUD...fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They've been doing it to you for a few decades, it's pay back time.
 
Makes perfect sense to me. Generally speaking you don't trust a liar very much. So much so, in this case, that even trust (*shudder*) Republicans!

:lamo

And only now is the realization setting in with Democrats how far over the cliff they've followed Obama. May take multiple years for the party to recover from this. Of course, it's not like there weren't many, many people who warned them well in advance.

I liked the way you put that. It isn't because the people trust Republicans, they don't. The Democratic Party still has a higher favorable rating than the Republican Party. But in last Tuesday's election the voter thought the Republicans would do a better job with the economy, perhaps even focusing on it instead of other issues. Last Tuesday happened because the Democrats took their eye off the one issue that was most important to the people, their pocket books.

The voter didn't reward the Republicans, they punished the Democrats.
 
I liked the way you put that. It isn't because the people trust Republicans, they don't. The Democratic Party still has a higher favorable rating than the Republican Party. But in last Tuesday's election the voter thought the Republicans would do a better job with the economy, perhaps even focusing on it instead of other issues. Last Tuesday happened because the Democrats took their eye off the one issue that was most important to the people, their pocket books.

The voter didn't reward the Republicans, they punished the Democrats.

That is the single most important thing for the GOP to remember
 
There is a lot to be ashamed about in America in my opinion, starting with the Patriot Act...the hawks who insisted on it must now regret letting it fall into the hands of a swine like Obama.

My suggestion to the Republican led congress would be to press both Benghazi and the IRS scandal. Having said that, while as you note timing is critical, they must go out of their way to ensure that it does not look overly partisan.

The voters have spoken to ALL...they are tired of the games, of using the government to beat your political opponent instead of what's right for the country. Therefore, I would try for an independent, may a special prosecutor in the IRS case, and something similar, maybe a special committee of the Senate to go into Benghazi with direct aim at Obama, letting the chips fall where they may.

In the meantime, I would be working behind the scenes to ensure that Hillary does indeed get crowned with little or no opposition. Painting her as Marie Antoinette, abolve the fray, rich and, even if they simply raise more questions, *suspect*

The greatest weapon of any politician is FUD...fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They've been doing it to you for a few decades, it's pay back time.

I guess I'm just not political enough to relish that though. I want to throw out the entire permanent political class that now controls the government and have true public servants again who care about their country, do the best they can to make things better, and then go home to live under the laws they enacted. If the GOP got that message in this last election, we'll be the better off for it. Time will tell if they did. I am not optimistic, but I do know we are far FAR better off with them in charge than we were with a lawless and incompetent President holding all that power.
 
That is the single most important thing for the GOP to remember

I have to agree. The Republicans better not screw this up. They have a chance, and they'd better not blow it with foolishness.

I'm encouraged that the well known and well respected McConnell will be the new Senate Majority leader. I would think that his calm, steady and measured hand at the Senatorial tiller on the Republican side is a good step in the right direction, as opposed to say Cruz.

A number of pundits have lauded McConnell's strengths, his political tactical sense, and his ability to push forwarded negotiated deals. Clearly, he's going to be doing this on both sides of the isle in the Senate as well as with the White House, probably through Biden.

Obama's a non-starter for any sort of negotiations, apparently. He's already fired the first round of cannons (immigration), and started the up coming conflict, exasperating and jeopardizing any possible progress going forward. A wise choice in his mind only, I'm pretty sure (or is that only in Jarrett's mind?)

Seems the White House is already decided to continue to blow it with foolishness. Well, all it can do is make it worse for the Democrats.
 
There is nothing liberal in any of those postions, in fact what she isolates, especially Obama's huge campaign over a lower minimum wage, were the cornerstone of Canada's far left New Democratic Party, self proclaimed socialists.....so I do wish the American left and its communist ideas would stop hiding behind the liberal label.

They really don't need to do that...the terms liberal and communist AND [cough!] progressive have all come to be interchangeable political designations. They want to "spread the wealth" of the capitalist pigs? If they are successful, the ONLY wealth of the U.S. population will reside in the hands of the government LEADERS (think Stalin, Khrushchev, or Brezhnev) and that government will gladly share a weekly roll of toilet paper per family and operate soup lines for our convenience.
 
I guess I'm just not political enough to relish that though. I want to throw out the entire permanent political class that now controls the government and have true public servants again who care about their country, do the best they can to make things better, and then go home to live under the laws they enacted. If the GOP got that message in this last election, we'll be the better off for it. Time will tell if they did. I am not optimistic, but I do know we are far FAR better off with them in charge than we were with a lawless and incompetent President holding all that power.


Oh, God no...not a Clerocracy!

Throughout history, we have seen the perils of that, the best reading is fiction but true, Machiavelli's The Prince.

There must be an elected oversight providing policy or you get totalitarianism, civil servants must first secure their positions for life. What Americans need now is to abandon what they've been doing and buy into the ad-based image, and start holding their politicians accountable. In Vancouver we have municipal elections on Sunday, the three term Vision party will lose, maybe even the mayorality because they got arrogant and lost sight of the needs of all the people, they governed for their supporters.

What happened last week was a starting point. When people get fired, the next guy in line is smart not to do what the first guy did.
 
I am not optimistic, but I do know we are far FAR better off with them in charge than we were with a lawless and incompetent President holding all that power.

Are we? Is there any evidence that the Republican Party has done anything significant to reduce the size of government, reduce spending, and increase civil liberties in the last 30 years? Saying we are "FAR" better off is an extreme exaggeration. Compared to libertarian ideology, republicans are socialist-lite, which makes us "slightly" better off if you don't consider their foreign policy. However when you consider their foreign policy then we really aren't better off at all, because the small inkling of fiscal responsibility they have gets thrown right out the window and they've actually been trying to spend MORE money on overseas conflicts that have yet to actually increase American security from terrorism.
 
Are we? Is there any evidence that the Republican Party has done anything significant to reduce the size of government, reduce spending, and increase civil liberties in the last 30 years? Saying we are "FAR" better off is an extreme exaggeration. Compared to libertarian ideology, republicans are socialist-lite, which makes us "slightly" better off if you don't consider their foreign policy. However when you consider their foreign policy then we really aren't better off at all, because the small inkling of fiscal responsibility they have gets thrown right out the window and they've actually been trying to spend MORE money on overseas conflicts that have yet to actually increase American security from terrorism.

No. The Republican Party has not done anything significant to reduce the size of government, etc. at all because the Republican Party is made up of that same Permanent Political Class that infests the Democratic Party. The difference is the constituency that the Republican Party represents. They represent a Constituency that demands more common sense and more accountability and more competence than what the Democrats require of their elected leaders. So the GOP governs not at all well, but at least better than the Democrats do in order to keep their base voting for them. When they get too far out of line, their base abandons them as happened in 2006. So we can expect that they won't do well either, but at least they will do far less damage than the Democrats do when they have the power.
 
No. The Republican Party has not done anything significant to reduce the size of government, etc. at all because the Republican Party is made up of that same Permanent Political Class that infests the Democratic Party. The difference is the constituency that the Republican Party represents. They represent a Constituency that demands more common sense and more accountability and more competence than what the Democrats require of their elected leaders.

I guess this is true. The Republican base demands that their elected leaders do nothing, and obstruct Obama (and government in general) at every turn. Which is a lot easier and a lower-hanging fruit than actually governing and passing beneficial laws.
 
Anyone want to be the Republicans will ignore it too? That they will concentrate on the pet issues.

Yeah the Pet issues.....that's why Boehner decide to have a House vote on the Keystone Pipeline. Tomorrow.....he figured since Harry was having a Symbolic vote. Why wait.....lets get to creating jobs. That even the Democrat's Unions want.
 
Anyone want to be the Republicans will ignore it too? That they will concentrate on the pet issues.

And there has to be some moron in the wings willing to try to roll back the clock by twenty years on abortion and gay rights. The Republicans can be their own worst enemy
 
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