Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficult ti

[JANFU]

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TORONTO — As the Liberal government gears up to meet its promise to bring 25,000 government-sponsored Syrian refugees to Canada by the end of 2015, experts say time may be too short to effectively settle refugees and navigate security concerns.

“The numbers are not difficult numbers. The timeline is a difficult timeline,” said Naomi Alboim, a Queen’s University professor and former deputy minister of citizenship in Ontario.

Is this possible by end 2015?
Security issues cannot be fully addressed - Yes
Security issues cannot be fully addressed No
This is a political statement by Trudeau - Yes
This is a political statement by Trudeau – No
Other – please explain

 

[joG]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

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Is this possible by end 2015?
Security issues cannot be fully addressed - Yes
Security issues cannot be fully addressed No
This is a political statement by Trudeau - Yes
This is a political statement by Trudeau – No
Other – please explain

There is no way to do a background check on that many or even much fewer in that time in an enemy war zone.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

There is no way to do a background check on that many or even much fewer in that time in an enemy war zone.

Agreed. No idea how many the UN have cleared, but I have no trust in the UN clearances. Information to utilize, yes, but not to be taken at face value.
A substantial number have been in Jordan for years.
As these refugees are in camps, what and why the rush?

 

[OrphanSlug]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

"Security issues cannot be fully addressed - Agree" and "Will create future security issues - Yes"

Mainly because as even most articles point out, Canada has no internal system for picking up refugees on its own. It relies on the UN, Refugee Agency, to both identify potential refugees in both established camps and somewhere long the route out of Syria and to a temporary host nation. Refugee processing to meet the timeline will have to be streamlined and/or have increases in processing personnel. Which are all additional security concerns.

"Other- Please explain"

This is a political feel good moment for Canada's newly elected leaning liberal government.

Approaching this just as a matter of humanitarianism does not address the cultural element being imported to the tune of 25,000 new residents. Canada has been for sometime now a wonderful example of trying multiculturalism with some success which includes various humanitarian efforts along the way, but Canada's problems will grow exponentially is the demands of refugees start to stack on top of an arguably already massive social system costs from internal voting patterns. While the listed cost may be lower, the realized cost of processing and then resettling so many new residents in short order will be impressive. $100 million, $200 million, unsure myself but the estimates from the various sources on this story are a bit all over the place.

My concern for Canada is longer term headache in fiscal strain and social cohesion, especially in terms of how far along Canada is socially bringing in a series of people that are arguably the most conservative of social matters. I've talked about the dangers of one way tolerances before in terms of expectation, it appears Canada is about to take on a whole new level of experimenting with bringing in war torn refugees with an entirely different outlook on social matters based on the prevailing system of belief from the export region.

I wish Canada well in this, but have concerns about how this will all work out in the long term once politicians move from talking about it to actually doing it and seeing the results.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

"Security issues cannot be fully addressed - Agree" and "Will create future security issues - Yes"

Mainly because as even most articles point out, Canada has no internal system for picking up refugees on its own. It relies on the UN, Refugee Agency, to both identify potential refugees in both established camps and somewhere long the route out of Syria and to a temporary host nation. Refugee processing to meet the timeline will have to be streamlined and/or have increases in processing personnel. Which are all additional security concerns.

"Other- Please explain"

This is a political feel good moment for Canada's newly elected leaning liberal government.

Approaching this just as a matter of humanitarianism does not address the cultural element being imported to the tune of 25,000 new residents. Canada has been for sometime now a wonderful example of trying multiculturalism with some success which includes various humanitarian efforts along the way, but Canada's problems will grow exponentially is the demands of refugees start to stack on top of an arguably already massive social system costs from internal voting patterns. While the listed cost may be lower, the realized cost of processing and then resettling so many new residents in short order will be impressive. $100 million, $200 million, unsure myself but the estimates from the various sources on this story are a bit all over the place.

My concern for Canada is longer term headache in fiscal strain and social cohesion, especially in terms of how far along Canada is socially bringing in a series of people that are arguably the most conservative of social matters. I've talked about the dangers of one way tolerances before in terms of expectation, it appears Canada is about to take on a whole new level of experimenting with bringing in war torn refugees with an entirely different outlook on social matters based on the prevailing system of belief from the export region.

I wish Canada well in this, but have concerns about how this will all work out in the long term once politicians move from talking about it to actually doing it and seeing the results.

I think such a large number n such a short period is ludicrous. The Govt should be looking at the minorities within the refugee populations for the first look over and all should have a security clearnce done.
As they are in camps, their is in my opinion n rush.
Yes in Canada we have recent immigrants, Islamic that are ghettoizing themselves in certain cities. That in itself is a problem.
We in Canada expect immigrants to become part of the culture, not refrain and distance oneself from it.
Many of these people will have significant mental health issues, and presently these are overwhelmed. Adding more is just plain stupid.

 

[joG]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

Agreed. No idea how many the UN have cleared, but I have no trust in the UN clearances. Information to utilize, yes, but not to be taken at face value.
A substantial number have been in Jordan for years.
As these refugees are in camps, what and why the rush?

Why? He wants to be seen keeping a promise and being a Good Man.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

Why? He wants to be seen keeping a promise and being a Good Man.

Promises are fine, doing it right is better.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

"Security issues cannot be fully addressed - Agree" and "Will create future security issues - Yes"

Mainly because as even most articles point out, Canada has no internal system for picking up refugees on its own. It relies on the UN, Refugee Agency, to both identify potential refugees in both established camps and somewhere long the route out of Syria and to a temporary host nation. Refugee processing to meet the timeline will have to be streamlined and/or have increases in processing personnel. Which are all additional security concerns.

"Other- Please explain"

This is a political feel good moment for Canada's newly elected leaning liberal government.

Approaching this just as a matter of humanitarianism does not address the cultural element being imported to the tune of 25,000 new residents. Canada has been for sometime now a wonderful example of trying multiculturalism with some success which includes various humanitarian efforts along the way, but Canada's problems will grow exponentially is the demands of refugees start to stack on top of an arguably already massive social system costs from internal voting patterns. While the listed cost may be lower, the realized cost of processing and then resettling so many new residents in short order will be impressive. $100 million, $200 million, unsure myself but the estimates from the various sources on this story are a bit all over the place.

My concern for Canada is longer term headache in fiscal strain and social cohesion, especially in terms of how far along Canada is socially bringing in a series of people that are arguably the most conservative of social matters. I've talked about the dangers of one way tolerances before in terms of expectation, it appears Canada is about to take on a whole new level of experimenting with bringing in war torn refugees with an entirely different outlook on social matters based on the prevailing system of belief from the export region.

I wish Canada well in this, but have concerns about how this will all work out in the long term once politicians move from talking about it to actually doing it and seeing the results.

25,000 is not a great fiscal strain and in fact will not significantly raise the budget for refugees. Unlike the United States, Canada has had a stable economy and one of the lowest debt ratios in the world.

The concern and reason for the delay is the sudden impact on resources, where will we put them? Understand we assign them where they will live, and most will be sent North.

As to security, Amerikans have so badly shat in their own nest they have created security issues and made the entire population paranoid, and untrusting of their own massive law enforcement system. It is different here, we have little crime, a fraction by comparison, and bad people stand out easily.

We have been absorbing refugees en masse since the 1930's, and in the 50's absorbed 125,000 Hungarians fleeing the Russians. There were "security issues" raised by the same kind of paranoid people then, but try to find one incident over the next 25 years. Stop and think a bit, most of ISIS fighters are coming from other countries, they are recruiting for the fight there, not one day in Canada.

Amerikans were nervous Nellies, fearful when Canad started accepting Vietnamese, they will come from Canada and attack the US they said. It never happened.

We have always opened our doors to people escaping war and we always will so long as I have a say. People like Harper and others that use unreasoned fear for their campaigns are the terrorists, not the people leaving home, history, family and everything they have ever known to go to a place they have never seen with strange customs, different language and so forth.

We have always absorbed refugees, and we have never had a serious problem. If one should arise, I have faith in our criminal justice system.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

Why? He wants to be seen keeping a promise and being a Good Man.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe he wants to do the right thing?

You have never met him, never will. I have. You will judge him based on the attack ads and what you want him to be in reflection of the Tories disaster the last four years. But in the end, you do not know him.

What does it say about a rich kid, son of a former national leader, independently wealthy and doesn't need to work, who would take a job as a teacher in BC teaching French to kids?

I think you are mistaking Mr. Justin Trudeau with the overpaid scum who were in office and who did everything for image.

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

25,000 is not a great fiscal strain and in fact will not significantly raise the budget for refugees. Unlike the United States, Canada has had a stable economy and one of the lowest debt ratios in the world.

The concern and reason for the delay is the sudden impact on resources, where will we put them? Understand we assign them where they will live, and most will be sent North.

As to security, Amerikans have so badly shat in their own nest they have created security issues and made the entire population paranoid, and untrusting of their own massive law enforcement system. It is different here, we have little crime, a fraction by comparison, and bad people stand out easily.

We have been absorbing refugees en masse since the 1930's, and in the 50's absorbed 125,000 Hungarians fleeing the Russians. There were "security issues" raised by the same kind of paranoid people then, but try to find one incident over the next 25 years. Stop and think a bit, most of ISIS fighters are coming from other countries, they are recruiting for the fight there, not one day in Canada.

Amerikans were nervous Nellies, fearful when Canad started accepting Vietnamese, they will come from Canada and attack the US they said. It never happened.

We have always opened our doors to people escaping war and we always will so long as I have a say. People like Harper and others that use unreasoned fear for their campaigns are the terrorists, not the people leaving home, history, family and everything they have ever known to go to a place they have never seen with strange customs, different language and so forth.

We have always absorbed refugees, and we have never had a serious problem. If one should arise, I have faith in our criminal justice system.

I agree. We can absorb that many, and more. Vetting them at source? I trust that the gov't will get that covered. Are they gonna come from Europe or the ME? Both, probably.
Families first, I say. Get some more future taxpayers here- I need my pension supported!

 

[joG]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

Promises are fine, doing it right is better.

He is such a fine son.

 

[joG]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

Did it ever occur to you that maybe he wants to do the right thing?

You have never met him, never will. I have. You will judge him based on the attack ads and what you want him to be in reflection of the Tories disaster the last four years. But in the end, you do not know him.

What does it say about a rich kid, son of a former national leader, independently wealthy and doesn't need to work, who would take a job as a teacher in BC teaching French to kids?

I think you are mistaking Mr. Justin Trudeau with the overpaid scum who were in office and who did everything for image.

What was so disastrous about the last administration? And what makes it good to want the "right thing", if you go about it in a back arsed way?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

I agree. We can absorb that many, and more. Vetting them at source? I trust that the gov't will get that covered. Are they gonna come from Europe or the ME? Both, probably.
Families first, I say. Get some more future taxpayers here- I need my pension supported!

Women and children, those at risk always first. Harper created the whole issue of being vetted and that Canada somehow had to act there, we don't. There are about nine nations now involved and co-operating, the UN, the Red Cross etc. It has always been that target countries accept the applications of the aid agencies. The screening to make sure they are who they say they are my be difficult, but its not like we've never had to do it before. We ace at this...it is what Canada ****ing does.

I suspect it will be both European AND those now in the war zone, if we can.

In closing, in the early 1970's a guy by the name of Idi Amin started beheading people for fun. He vowed to wipe out the East Indian population in his country. Canada negotiated a deal to have Idi allow east Indians to leave, and Canada took the lion's share. There were those who cried foul, said we would have problems, feared the building of temples in their neighborhoods etc.

No one noticed. Today they are our teachers, doctors, laborers, and some are retiring. There were no problems

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

What was so disastrous about the last administration? And what makes it good to want the "right thing", if you go about it in a back arsed way?

See: election results, Liberals, 2015.

You say it's back arsed. I say you don't know what you're what you're talking about. Accepting refugees is what we do. As I pointed out, we've been doing it a long time, more than most countries. because Harper plays to paranoia he created roadblocks, and because you drink Tory cool aid and hate Justin for his hair, you can't or won't see that.

 

[Grand Mal]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

What was so disastrous about the last administration? And what makes it good to want the "right thing", if you go about it in a back arsed way

What does that mean?

 

[CanadaJohn]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

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Is this possible by end 2015?
Security issues cannot be fully addressed - Yes
Security issues cannot be fully addressed No
This is a political statement by Trudeau - Yes
This is a political statement by Trudeau – No
Other – please explain

I would just note that unless some of these refugees speak French, the vast majority will be settled in Ontario and most of those settled in Toronto. Last reports in the latter part of 2014 had the waiting list for affordable housing in Ontario at 165,000 households and upwards of 8 years in some regions of the Province.

Ontario's affordable housing wait list climbs to record 165,000 households | Toronto Star

Irrespective of the security issues, which are many, particularly with our proximity to the US and how terrorists view that aspect, it will be virtually impossible to properly settle these people and many Canadians, citizens by birth, will be shuffled down the line in order to accommodate this entirely political and emotional reaction to a story that was a lie to begin with.

 

[joG]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

See: election results, Liberals, 2015.

You say it's back arsed. I say you don't know what you're what you're talking about. Accepting refugees is what we do. As I pointed out, we've been doing it a long time, more than most countries. because Harper plays to paranoia he created roadblocks, and because you drink Tory cool aid and hate Justin for his hair, you can't or won't see that.

But what was bad about Harper's administration? You seem to have forgotten to mention.

And of course, a few ten thousand refugees are fine. Canada could do more, if it wanted. But not doing due diligence and taking large numbers from one culture? That is not so smart.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

I would just note that unless some of these refugees speak French, the vast majority will be settled in Ontario and most of those settled in Toronto. Last reports in the latter part of 2014 had the waiting list for affordable housing in Ontario at 165,000 households and upwards of 8 years in some regions of the Province.

Ontario's affordable housing wait list climbs to record 165,000 households | Toronto Star

Irrespective of the security issues, which are many, particularly with our proximity to the US and how terrorists view that aspect, it will be virtually impossible to properly settle these people and many Canadians, citizens by birth, will be shuffled down the line in order to accommodate this entirely political and emotional reaction to a story that was a lie to begin with.

Quebec gets 25 % of funds for immigration- They also have right of refusal or acceptance.
That deal was worked out quite some time ago.
As to housing, then perhaps some of that infrastructure moeny should go there.
Not just because of the influx of refugees, but because we have a housing problem for low income Canadians.

 

[joG]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

What does that mean?

It means that one should do the due diligence. That takes time. Or have you not wondered why isis should not have mixed trusted warriors in among the nice refugees?

 

[JANFU]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

25,000 is not a great fiscal strain and in fact will not significantly raise the budget for refugees. Unlike the United States, Canada has had a stable economy and one of the lowest debt ratios in the world.

The concern and reason for the delay is the sudden impact on resources, where will we put them? Understand we assign them where they will live, and most will be sent North.

As to security, Amerikans have so badly shat in their own nest they have created security issues and made the entire population paranoid, and untrusting of their own massive law enforcement system. It is different here, we have little crime, a fraction by comparison, and bad people stand out easily.

We have been absorbing refugees en masse since the 1930's, and in the 50's absorbed 125,000 Hungarians fleeing the Russians. There were "security issues" raised by the same kind of paranoid people then, but try to find one incident over the next 25 years. Stop and think a bit, most of ISIS fighters are coming from other countries, they are recruiting for the fight there, not one day in Canada.

Amerikans were nervous Nellies, fearful when Canad started accepting Vietnamese, they will come from Canada and attack the US they said. It never happened.

We have always opened our doors to people escaping war and we always will so long as I have a say. People like Harper and others that use unreasoned fear for their campaigns are the terrorists, not the people leaving home, history, family and everything they have ever known to go to a place they have never seen with strange customs, different language and so forth.

We have always absorbed refugees, and we have never had a serious problem. If one should arise, I have faith in our criminal justice system.

The point about overwhelming services is correct. From housing to medical care and needless to say and many with mild to severe mental health issues.
I do stress that I believe security checks should be thorough.
Stating we can do 25 K by years end is a political statement. Myself, no issue with the refugees, the issue is doing at we say in the Army "by the number" aka -getting it right.
Yes many non profits will step up, same as many churches did for the Vietnamese, it is coordinating all that.
That takes time and we are not at the end of October.
Getting them here is not an issue, it is all the nuts, bolts, organization and coordinating that takes time.

 

[Wiggen]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

25,000 is not a great fiscal strain and in fact will not significantly raise the budget for refugees. Unlike the United States, Canada has had a stable economy and one of the lowest debt ratios in the world.

The concern and reason for the delay is the sudden impact on resources, where will we put them? Understand we assign them where they will live, and most will be sent North.

As to security, Amerikans have so badly shat in their own nest they have created security issues and made the entire population paranoid, and untrusting of their own massive law enforcement system. It is different here, we have little crime, a fraction by comparison, and bad people stand out easily.

We have been absorbing refugees en masse since the 1930's, and in the 50's absorbed 125,000 Hungarians fleeing the Russians. There were "security issues" raised by the same kind of paranoid people then, but try to find one incident over the next 25 years. Stop and think a bit, most of ISIS fighters are coming from other countries, they are recruiting for the fight there, not one day in Canada.

Amerikans were nervous Nellies, fearful when Canad started accepting Vietnamese, they will come from Canada and attack the US they said. It never happened.

We have always opened our doors to people escaping war and we always will so long as I have a say. People like Harper and others that use unreasoned fear for their campaigns are the terrorists, not the people leaving home, history, family and everything they have ever known to go to a place they have never seen with strange customs, different language and so forth.

We have always absorbed refugees, and we have never had a serious problem. If one should arise, I have faith in our criminal justice system.

Some of you Canadians have such a sense of moral superiority that boggles the mind. You aren't superior to us morally, or to any other western nation. Get over yourself.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

The point about overwhelming services is correct. From housing to medical care and needless to say and many with mild to severe mental health issues.
I do stress that I believe security checks should be thorough.
Stating we can do 25 K by years end is a political statement. Myself, no issue with the refugees, the issue is doing at we say in the Army "by the number" aka -getting it right.
Yes many non profits will step up, same as many churches did for the Vietnamese, it is coordinating all that.
That takes time and we are not at the end of October.
Getting them here is not an issue, it is all the nuts, bolts, organization and coordinating that takes time.

One, the Her Majesty's Government of Canada does not immediately fall to pieces because of a change of government. What we have done in the past will be done again as per the bureaucrats in charge from whom we have received excellent service to date.

I do agree that 25,000 is a political statement, and a "target" as Trudeau has said. There is dire emergency, Slovenia is being overrun, people are starving because of the overwhelming numbers. That means we need to move faster than normal. We have been conditioned to think 'he promised 25,000 by year's end and only delivered xxxxxx.' I have said before that the election is not the first time Justin Trudeau will surprise people,

So, there will be an impact, just as there was after WWII when "DP's" "overran" our services, again with Hungarians, and Vietnamese boat people, but it is what we do because it is who we are, part of the 'culture' we're not supposed to have.

 

[Grant]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

Some of you Canadians have such a sense of moral superiority that boggles the mind. You aren't superior to us morally, or to any other western nation. Get over yourself.

You got that right. Many believe that in order to be a good Canadian you have to be anti-American.

 

[Grant]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

25,000 is not a great fiscal strain and in fact will not significantly raise the budget for refugees. Unlike the United States, Canada has had a stable economy and one of the lowest debt ratios in the world.

The concern and reason for the delay is the sudden impact on resources, where will we put them? Understand we assign them where they will live, and most will be sent North.

As to security, Amerikans have so badly shat in their own nest they have created security issues and made the entire population paranoid, and untrusting of their own massive law enforcement system. It is different here, we have little crime, a fraction by comparison, and bad people stand out easily.

We have been absorbing refugees en masse since the 1930's, and in the 50's absorbed 125,000 Hungarians fleeing the Russians. There were "security issues" raised by the same kind of paranoid people then, but try to find one incident over the next 25 years. Stop and think a bit, most of ISIS fighters are coming from other countries, they are recruiting for the fight there, not one day in Canada.

Amerikans were nervous Nellies, fearful when Canad started accepting Vietnamese, they will come from Canada and attack the US they said. It never happened.

We have always opened our doors to people escaping war and we always will so long as I have a say. People like Harper and others that use unreasoned fear for their campaigns are the terrorists, not the people leaving home, history, family and everything they have ever known to go to a place they have never seen with strange customs, different language and so forth.

We have always absorbed refugees, and we have never had a serious problem. If one should arise, I have faith in our criminal justice system.

There may be a substantial cultural difference between Syrians and Hungarians and Muslims and Christians. There has also become a reluctance to hire Islamic workers.

 

[JANFU]

Re: Liberal promise to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year-end ‘a difficul

You got that right. Many believe that in order to be a good Canadian you have to be anti-American.

Not that many. Canadians are tired of being screwed over by the US Govt- regardless of Party.