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Liberal Gun Owners, Let me ask you something.[W:102]

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Deuce said:
Are guns your only political concern?

And is it really a black and white issue to you?
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Many other issues but they are the top 5...

And yes it is, you support it and reject and infringements or you do not...You can not support civil rights but support discrimination in goverment..
 
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TurtleDude said:
here is where we disagree. I can understand why so many women go actually bonkers over "right to life" male politicians-especially those whose concern about "unborn babies" appears to be a facade for what really motivates them

anti abortionists and anti gunners are OFTEN the same sort of scum. Liars who claim they care about "innocent life" when in reality its all about harassing people who don't agree with them

an Agnostic Jewish woman-a close friend of mine in college-worked for Reagan and Bush I picking "pro life judges". when I asked her why she was pro life when she didn't even believe in the main reason that seems to motivate the HONEST anti abortion activists, she was really honest- Politics. keeping liberal feminists off balance and fighting to keep abortion legal, prevented them from spending more energy on other leftwing agendas
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True, so very true..
 
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TurtleDude said:
I see union guys and blacks at our range with Obama stickers and NRA stickers

what I usually get is

1) the Dems aren't really that bad

2) Guns aren't as important as the Union, my job etc

3) no one is going to ban guns so why worry

for most people they know that deems are the anti gun party but they don't care or don't care enough
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DEMs are not the anti-gun party.
That is simply a continued blatant irrational lie by you.

The fact that DEMs own guns, actually eat the meat they shoot, focus on gun safety
and try to stop gun violence makes them the real supporters of the 2A.

Your over-the-top 2A rhetoric, and that of your current ilk on DP, will eventually turn the public against the GOP on guns.

So, by all means, please continue .
 
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Are you a liberal gun owner ?

AmericanSpartan said:
Many other issues but they are the top 5...

And yes it is, you support it and reject and infringements or you do not...You can not support civil rights but support discrimination in goverment..
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TurtleDude said:
I'd like you to expand this a bit more before I substantively comment one way or the other
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i don't know what you're looking for honestly...gun rights and abortion are deeply divisive issues that aren't going away. With one you have the periodic school shootings and local restrictions that always seem to reignite the debate; with the other, well, religion.

While 100 million americans have guns, it seems like the other 150 million who could buy guns feel safe without them and a fair number (yes i know you think they're delusional) would feel safer if there's *fewer* guns.

As for abortion, just look at any poll to confirm there's been practically no change since Roe v Wade, and look at the continuing charade in some areas to undermine the ruling

I mean, do you envision any definitive end to the gun control debate, legally (ex: NY) or culturally, the way that SSM will be cemented by June? Yes, the 2A exists as surely as equal protection, but these state by state restrictions on exactly who can purchase a gun, waiting period, types of firearms that can be acquired - all this seems to ensure the debate will continue for another generation
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
Well Gun Rights and Abortion are real issues..
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did i say they are not? I said that fully committing to them is *different* than doing so with minority rights that can be resolved in our lifetime
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
Why? What are we doing that warrants this? Because we believe in freedom and its defense?

Also great to see you use that slur...
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No; because the gun nuts are the ones that are putting the 2nd amendment in danger.
 
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chromium said:
i don't know what you're looking for honestly...gun rights and abortion are deeply divisive issues that aren't going away. With one you have the periodic school shootings and local restrictions that always seem to reignite the debate; with the other, well, religion.

While 100 million americans have guns, it seems like the other 150 million who could buy guns feel safe without them and a fair number (yes i know you think they're delusional) would feel safer if there's *fewer* guns.

As for abortion, just look at any poll to confirm there's been practically no change since Roe v Wade, and look at the continuing charade in some areas to undermine the ruling

I mean, do you envision any definitive end to the gun control debate, legally (ex: NY) or culturally, the way that SSM will be cemented by June? Yes, the 2A exists as surely as equal protection, but these state by state restrictions on exactly who can purchase a gun, waiting period, types of firearms that can be acquired - all this seems to ensure the debate will continue for another generation
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Well about 150,000,000 own guns...
 
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chromium said:
did i say they are not? I said that fully committing to them is *different* than doing so with minority rights that can be resolved in our lifetime
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What are "minority rights"?
 
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jet57 said:
No; because the gun nuts are the ones that are putting the 2nd amendment in danger.
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You mean like Danne Feinstain, Chuck Shumer, ect?
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
What are "minority rights"?
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The securing of free and humane living for people who share common traits that are 1) in the minority and 2) directly and historically discriminated against. At some point, it becomes comparatively very easy to secure equal rights for them, once the majority are willing, and that time has come for gay rights for instance.

This is what makes it fulfill my 2nd criteria - that the effort will have a payoff in the end.
 
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voyager1 said:
Kinda like getting a abortion in MS? :shrug:
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Can not find the abortion in the bill of rights...I can find the 2nd Amendment...And Due Process..
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
Can not find the abortion in the bill of rights...I can find the 2nd Amendment...And Due Process..
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Some of us consider the 13th Amendment to be an important part of "equal rights" and "human rights".

Like I said in the other thread, gun rights are my most important issue... but they're not my only issue. My second biggest issue is reproductive rights. And on the majority of issues, I'm a liberal-- in fact, my support for gun rights is because I am a liberal, because I think that protecting our rights is the government's first obligation, and that protecting our rights is fundamentally compatible with promoting our general welfare.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
There's something sick about someone who puts the “right” to murder children, and the agendas of immoral sexual perverts, ahead of a genuine, essential Constitutional right.
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Poor Bob. Once again, and as usual, we notice your ignorance on a variety of subjects. Firstly, you don't seem to understand that meanings of words. It's called "abortion", not "murder". Please reference the dictionary if you have trouble again. Secondly, morality is relative, so, your indication of anyone being immoral is irrelevant and complete nonsense. And lastly, I have explained the definition of pervert to you many times, but you still seem to get it wrong every time you use it. We have already established that your views are perverted, based on the definition. Just thought I'd remind you of this.
 
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There's a difference between wanting to own a gun and wanting to make sweet love to your gun. Liberals who own guns tend to see them as tools for protection or recreation, whereas conservatives see them as a lifestyle choice and/or life partner.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
Some of us consider the 13th Amendment to be an important part of "equal rights" and "human rights".

Like I said in the other thread, gun rights are my most important issue... but they're not my only issue. My second biggest issue is reproductive rights. And on the majority of issues, I'm a liberal-- in fact, my support for gun rights is because I am a liberal, because I think that protecting our rights is the government's first obligation, and that protecting our rights is fundamentally compatible with promoting our general welfare.
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Really? Haven't they been the sole orginztion behind every gun law local/state/federal since 1754?
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Poor Bob. Once again, and as usual, we notice your ignorance on a variety of subjects. Firstly, you don't seem to understand that meanings of words. It's called "abortion", not "murder". Please reference the dictionary if you have trouble again. Secondly, morality is relative, so, your indication of anyone being immoral is irrelevant and complete nonsense. And lastly, I have explained the definition of pervert to you many times, but you still seem to get it wrong every time you use it. We have already established that your views are perverted, based on the definition. Just thought I'd remind you of this.
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Such it is, I mean everyone know using a different words changes everything...I mean they Nazis never killed any Jews, they just "evacuated"...
 
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Amadeus said:
There's a difference between wanting to own a gun and wanting to make sweet love to your gun. Liberals who own guns tend to see them as tools for protection or recreation, whereas conservatives see them as a lifestyle choice and/or life partner.
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I really do doubt you know a damn thing about them....
 
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AmericanSpartan said:
Really? Haven't they been the sole orginztion behind every gun law local/state/federal since 1754?
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"Liberal" isn't an organization, it's a political philosophy and I believe gun control is incompatible with it. Sadly, the majority of liberals seem to disagree with that.

Besides, there are a lot of gun control laws in a lot of countries, and I'm opposed to all of them. Gun rights are human rights.
 
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Korimyr the Rat said:
"Liberal" isn't an organization, it's a political philosophy and I believe gun control is incompatible with it. Sadly, the majority of liberals seem to disagree with that.

Besides, there are a lot of gun control laws in a lot of countries, and I'm opposed to all of them. Gun rights are human rights.
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So you a classical liberal, yet you support modern liberalism IE statism...
 
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