Liberal groups angry over order to teach Constitution

[Master PO]

Liberal groups angry with SC pols over order to teach Constitution | Fox News

 

[Beaudreaux]

Gov. Nikki Haley's take on it was correct.

I don't have a problem with teaching civics, because every school should, especially universities. But this was done by some guys that were pissed that some books were being taught that discussed gays. Ridiculous. Childish.

Teach civics. Teach the Constitution. If we had been doing that in schools over the last few decades, maybe the current President would have learned what his powers were and more importantly, what they were not.

 

[Redress]

Liberal groups angry with SC pols over order to teach Constitution | Fox News

I will take Incredibly Misleading Headlines for 1000.

What did I win Alex?

 

[Jetboogieman]

I will take Incredibly Misleading Headlines for 1000.

What did I win Alex?

You're going to win a hyperbolic rebuttal.

 

[Redress]

You're going to win a hyperbolic rebuttal.

Great, that is my favorite!

 

[haymarket]

I will take Incredibly Misleading Headlines for 1000.

What did I win Alex?

the worthless contempt of the radical right wing who are behind this in the first place?

 

[Master PO]

I will take Incredibly Misleading Headlines for 1000.

What did I win Alex?

I presented a news story,...you view it as you please.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Gov. Nikki Haley's take on it was correct.

I don't have a problem with teaching civics, because every school should, especially universities. But this was done by some guys that were pissed that some books were being taught that discussed gays. Ridiculous. Childish.

Teach civics. Teach the Constitution. If we had been doing that in schools over the last few decades, maybe the current President would have learned what his powers were and more importantly, what they were not.

It wasn't "some books were being taught that discussed gays." The books were required reading in both universities that contained homosexual themes. There was no alternative selection allowed. Two public universities making this part of their required curriculum is outrageous. I can understand if its required reading for a course geared toward a major, but it isn't.

This political correctness being pushed down everyone's throats by the liberal microcosm of society regarding homosexuality is beyond belief.

 

[Redress]

I presented a news story,...you view it as you please.

You presented, without any comment, simply a headline with link that was incredibly dishonest. Don't like being called on being dishonest, then don't post things dishonest.

 

[Master PO]

You presented, without any comment, simply a headline with link that was incredibly dishonest. Don't like being called on being dishonest, then don't post things dishonest.

sorry, I posted a story, it is you who took offense to it.

since you must have already formulated an opinion about it beforehand.... it would seem you should have never read it.....to make you feel angry.

 

[Redress]

sorry, I posted a story, it is you who took offense to it.

sense you must have already formulated an opinion about it beforehand.... it would seem you should have never read it.....to make you feel angry.

Ummmm...pointing out the dishonesty is not taking offense. I think it is hilarious how badly you got caught out lying.

By the way, do you realize no one in this thread has said less about the story you posted than you? I find that hilarious too.

 

[Kobie]

sorry, I posted a story, it is you who took offense to it.

sense you must have already formulated an opinion about it beforehand.... it would seem you should have never read it.....to make you feel angry.

Doubling down on the dishonesty. Good times.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

OMG! Schools teaching students our constitution! WTF is this country coming to??????:lol:

 

[Redress]

OMG! Schools teaching students our constitution! WTF is this country coming to??????:lol:

And we have the first person who did not bother to read past the headline. Now we know why Ernst Barkmann decided to not actually post anything actually about the story....

 

[bubbabgone]

Ummmm...pointing out the dishonesty is not taking offense. I think it is hilarious how badly you got caught out lying.

By the way, do you realize no one in this thread has said less about the story you posted than you? I find that hilarious too.

Just explain what was dishonest about the story. That's what people would be expected to do. A declaration isn't enough. Simple concept. Give it a shot.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

And we have the first person who did not bother to read past the headline. Now we know why Ernst Barkmann decided to not actually post anything actually about the story....

"Past the headline"

"The South Carolina legislature has rankled liberal groups after requiring that a pair of public schools use state funds to teach the U.S. Constitution and other founding documents"

"The National Coalition Against Censorship, ACLU of South Carolina and other groups said in a statement earlier this week that the new bill is a “symbolic penalty” that is just as troubling as the House’s original proposal."

Once again,OMG schools want to teach the constitution to our students instead of only teaching gay is OK. WHAT oh WHAT is going on here?:lol:

 

[Master PO]

Ummmm...pointing out the dishonesty is not taking offense. I think it is hilarious how badly you got caught out lying.

By the way, do you realize no one in this thread has said less about the story you posted than you? I find that hilarious too.

my friend if you wish to be angry with the story, I can understand, however you attempts to me angry with me......mores the better, its seems you as others on the left cannot control your emotional side, when confronted with things you do not like.

peace be with you.

 

[Master PO]

Doubling down on the dishonesty. Good times.

have a great day kobie!

 

[Kobie]

Just explain what was dishonest about the story. That's what people would be expected to do. A declaration isn't enough. Simple concept. Give it a shot.

The headline is what was dishonest, bubba.

 

[Redress]

Just explain what was dishonest about the story. That's what people would be expected to do. A declaration isn't enough. Simple concept. Give it a shot.

Here is a hint: read the story. I did. What people are upset with is not teaching the constitution, in fact the schools involved do that already, but in the state telling them what they have to teach. It is not even a subtle distinction. And not surprisingly, it is "small government" conservatives who are doing the mandating.

 

[Redress]

"Past the headline"

"The South Carolina legislature has rankled liberal groups after requiring that a pair of public schools use state funds to teach the U.S. Constitution and other founding documents"

"The National Coalition Against Censorship, ACLU of South Carolina and other groups said in a statement earlier this week that the new bill is a “symbolic penalty” that is just as troubling as the House’s original proposal."

Once again,OMG schools want to teach the constitution to our students instead of only teaching gay is OK. WHAT oh WHAT is going on here?:lol:

Really, that is what you got out of this? Here,m let me help you out and quote the passage you oh so carefully avoided in your quotes:

It represents unwarranted political interference with academic freedom and undermines the integrity of the higher education system in South Carolina,

Look at that bolded part. The issue is not teaching the constitution, but in the state mandating it, and doing so in a fit of pique over the schools teaching something they did not like.

 

[29A]

The headline is what was dishonest, bubba.

The Fox News headline, "Liberal groups angry with SC pols over order to teach Constitution", seems to be a pretty accurate characterization to me. What should it read?

The provision requires the schools, the College of Charleston and the University of South Carolina Upstate, to spend the exact amounts spent on the “objectionable” books to teach the U.S. Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Federalist papers, “including the study of and devotion to American institutions and ideals.” It also mandates that students be allowed to avoid encountering educational material they find “objectionable based on a sincerely held religious, moral, or cultural belief.”

This is a gross perversion of the concept of “higher education,” in which highly trained faculty develop a curriculum that exposes students to material that will enable them to master a topic or field of inquiry.
This Compromise Is Not Acceptable: Constitutionally Suspect South Carolina Budget Measure is an Assault on Academic Freedom | National Coalition Against Censorship

 

[Kobie]

The Fox News headline, "Liberal groups angry with SC pols over order to teach Constitution", seems to be a pretty accurate characterization to me. What should it read?

^ See post 21. Redress summed it up just fine.

 

[29A]

^ See post 21. Redress summed it up just fine.

So, in order to be on the same page, in order for me to find post 21, I have to switch to linear mode?

Redress says, "The issue is not teaching the constitution, but in the state mandating it, and doing so in a fit of pique over the schools teaching something they did not like. "

Whereas, it seems that teaching the Constitution, etc. was already mandated, and the new resolution was to enforce that mandate.

South Carolina Code of Laws SECTION 59-29-120
South Carolina Legislature Online - Code of Laws Title 59 Chapter 29 Subjects Of Instruction

 

[Paschendale]

So let me get this right, some unnamed liberal groups are displeased that a state legislature has taken to deciding what courses and books will be taught at a university. Well gee... when the government steps in to control the content of education, especially higher education, so as to promote a blind patriotic way of thinking and prevent reading and thus knowledge and discussion of a controversial topic like homosexuality's place in our society, everyone should be upset. This is government censorship. REAL government censorship.

It wasn't "some books were being taught that discussed gays." The books were required reading in both universities that contained homosexual themes. There was no alternative selection allowed. Two public universities making this part of their required curriculum is outrageous. I can understand if its required reading for a course geared toward a major, but it isn't.

This political correctness being pushed down everyone's throats by the liberal microcosm of society regarding homosexuality is beyond belief.

Right, reading a book that mentions some things about gays is totally inappropriate given the topic's prominence in our political discourse. Making sure that everyone knows the realities and facts of the lives and tribulations of gay Americans is just a horrible brainwashing PC technique. Wouldn't want knowledge about people who are different from you pushed down your throat!

Do you feel hyperbolic yet? And silly that you are arguing that your dislike for gays and gayness means you somehow can't even read a book that includes some discussion on the subject. Are you afraid you might learn something that will contradict the hateful image in your head?

OMG! Schools teaching students our constitution! WTF is this country coming to??????:lol:

No, that alone would be fine. Civics classes would be a great addition to a lot of curricula. But the issue here is burying discussion of gays and a government censoring a book to students that it doesn't like. Shouldn't small government conservatives be outraged by this?