LGBT, Not Born That Way?

[CLAX1911]

The doctors are interested in getting paid and the parents are many times ignorant.

That's life in the big city kiddo. If you're going to say or takes a village to raise a child that's pretty socialist and hypocritical of the emperor of all that is libertarian

I'm not sure why anyone would think cutting off a child's healthy testicles is ever an acceptable idea though.

Healthy? So now all the sudden it isn't mental ill to think think you are the opposite sex?

Boy you're just full of contradictions today aren't you.

 

[Absentglare]

The doctors are interested in getting paid and the parents are many times ignorant. I'm not sure why anyone would think cutting off a child's healthy testicles is ever an acceptable idea though.

I'm sure there are a lot of medical procedures that you are not sure of.

 

[Henrin]

That's life in the big city kiddo. If you're going to say or takes a village to raise a child that's pretty socialist and hypocritical of the emperor of all that is libertarian

So you're opposed to protecting the rights of children from the actions of parents and doctors? Does that mean you support parents having the right to decide to remove the clitoris of their newborn baby girls?

Healthy? So now all the sudden it isn't mental ill to think think you are the opposite sex?

The body part in question is healthy. The brain is even healthy, but just completely fubar due to developmental issues.

 

[Henrin]

I'm sure there are a lot of medical procedures that you are not sure of.

No, I'm pretty sure that it's unethical to cut of the healthy testicles of boys. I'm also pretty sure there is a long history of these kind of things dating back from before the dark ages. In fact, this surgery in question that you're advising be done finds it's origins in a surgery dating back to about the same time too.

 

[Absentglare]

No, I'm pretty sure that it's unethical to cut of the healthy testicles of boys. I'm also pretty sure there is a long history of these kind of things dating back from before the dark ages. In fact, this surgery in question that you're advising be done finds it's origins in a surgery dating back to about the same time too.

Much of our medical knowledge is based on unethical Nazi experimentation- that doesn't make the procedures developed from that knowledge unethical.

 

[Henrin]

Much of our medical knowledge is based on unethical Nazi experimentation- that doesn't make the procedures developed from that knowledge unethical.

So cutting the healthy testicles off of a boy is ethical?

 

[Absentglare]

So cutting the healthy testicles off of a boy is ethical?

There are cases where doctors believe that physically unnecessary procedures are medically prudent to alleviate a patients distress.

If you think you know better, you should approach it with the understanding that the patients distress should be treated (rather than ignored) and you should work through the medical community (with science) rather than the political one (with rhetoric).

 

[Henrin]

There are cases where doctors believe that physically unnecessary procedures are medically prudent to alleviate a patients distress.

If you think you know better, you should approach it with the understanding that the patients distress should be treated (rather than ignored) and you should work through the medical community (with science) rather than the political one (with rhetoric).

I'm not sure how my point is political. What do you think I get out of my position politically? And alleviating mental distress by castration is retardation. I've listened to the doctors reasoning behind it and I flat out reject it.

 

[calamity]

Or, a hetersosexal is much more likely to come out as homosexual if he grows up in a culture that embraces homosexuality.

I always liked girls. Even as a little kid, 8 or 9, when it came to playing doctor, I always insisted my buddy bring his sister along. Hmm...maybe this belongs in the incest thread.

By Jr High, I was already a full blooded **** hound.

 

[chromium]

I'm not sure how my point is political. What do you think I get out of my position politically? And alleviating mental distress by castration is retardation. I've listened to the doctors reasoning behind it and I flat out reject it.

No one requires your approval for anything

 

[Henrin]

No one requires your approval for anything

No, they don't. Tell me though, should doctors cut the legs off of patients suffering from mental distress over having legs? Maybe doctors should paralyze people that are suffering from mental distress over not being paralyzed. Yes, there are in fact people like that.

 

[calamity]

No, they don't. Tell me though, should doctors cut the legs off of patients suffering from mental distress over having legs? Maybe doctors should paralyze people that are suffering from mental distress over not being paralyzed. Yes, there are in fact people like that.

That type of dysphoria is not protected by the gay agenda. So, no. Only the ball chop-off applies.

 

[Absentglare]

I'm not sure how my point is political. What do you think I get out of my position politically? And alleviating mental distress by castration is retardation. I've listened to the doctors reasoning behind it and I flat out reject it.

I didn't claimed that you get anything out of your position politically, but it does seem that you are not applying any sort of scientific method.

 

[Henrin]

I didn't claimed that you get anything out of your position politically, but it does seem that you are not applying any sort of scientific method.

There is no acceptable scientific method being used by doctors here.

 

[Henrin]

I always liked girls. Even as a little kid, 8 or 9, when it came to playing doctor, I always insisted my buddy bring his sister along. Hmm...maybe this belongs in the incest thread.

By Jr High, I was already a full blooded **** hound.

Yup, same here. I had a crush on a little blonde haired girl in preschool.

 

[calamity]

I didn't claimed that you get anything out of your position politically, but it does seem that you are not applying any sort of scientific method.

When it comes to trans, I don't think anyone is. At least not in a double bind sort of way.

The methodological shortcomings have many reasons. First, the nature of sex reassignment precludes double blind randomized controlled studies of the result. Second, transsexualism is rare [20] and many follow-ups are hampered by small numbers of subjects.[5], [8], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28] Third, many sex reassigned persons decline to participate in follow-up studies, or relocate after surgery, resulting in high drop-out rates and consequent selection bias.[6], [9], [12], [21], [24], [28], [29], [30] Forth, several follow-up studies are hampered by limited follow-up periods.[7], [9], [21], [22], [26], [30] Taken together, these limitations preclude solid and generalisable conclusions. A long-term population-based controlled study is one way to address these methodological shortcomings.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

IMO, the whole issue is weak on science and strong on politics. It's just PC to give in to the demands of those who claim to be gender dyphoric.

There certainly is no objective proof that this condition actually exists and that surgery actually helps. All we have is a bunch of subjective analysis and a few brain scan studies which seem to indicate an anomaly, basically studies showing that some trans folks have brains which appear to resemble those of the opposite sex, but not all do. And, we also have a lot of political pressure put on everyone by the gay agenda crowd.

 

[Absentglare]

There is no acceptable scientific method being used by doctors here.

That's simply your opinion. SRS is a recognized treatment for a reasonably well-established ailment.

 

[Henrin]

That's simply your opinion. SRS is a recognized treatment for a reasonably well-established ailment.

You like how circumcision is according to the AMA? Yeah, I'm not going to listen to appeals to their authority.

 

[Absentglare]

When it comes to trans, I don't think anyone is. At least not in a double bind sort of way.



IMO, the whole issue is weak on science and strong on politics. It's just PC to give in to the demands of those who claim to be gender dyphoric.

There certainly is no objective proof that this condition actually exists and that surgery actually helps. All we have is a bunch of subjective analysis and a few brain scan studies which seem to indicate an anomaly, basically studies showing that some trans folks have brains which appear to resemble those of the opposite sex, but not all do. And, we also have a lot of political pressure put on everyone by the gay agenda crowd.

It's impossible to do a double blind study on that treatment. That doesn't mean that scientific inquiry is impossible.

It's true that there is political pressure to legitimatize the treatment, but that pressure is the partial response of the success of the treatment. I do not know a great deal of trans, but those that i know seem to be genuinely better balanced as individuals post-treatment.

 

[Henrin]

It's impossible to do a double blind study on that treatment. That doesn't mean that scientific inquiry is impossible.

It's true that there is political pressure to legitimatize the treatment, but that pressure is the partial response of the success of the treatment. I do not know a great deal of trans, but those that i know seem to be genuinely better balanced as individuals post-treatment.

You mean like how people wanting to be paralyzed would be if doctors broke their backs? Apparently doctors don't find breaking their backs a good treatment even if it would help with their mental distress. Castrating a man is peachy if they have mental distress over their testicles, but breaking the same guys back if he has distress over not being paralyzed isn't. Go figure

 

[calamity]

It's impossible to do a double blind study on that treatment. That doesn't mean that scientific inquiry is impossible.

It's true that there is political pressure to legitimatize the treatment, but that pressure is the partial response of the success of the treatment. I do not know a great deal of trans, but those that i know seem to be genuinely better balanced as individuals post-treatment.

Hmm...balanced individuals is not how I would describe the trans folk I know or encounter online.

 

[Absentglare]

You like how circumcision is according to the AMA? Yeah, I'm not going to listen to appeals to their authority.

It sounds like you would prefer an authoritarian society where you make medical decisions for other people.

 

[Henrin]

It sounds like you would prefer an authoritarian society where you make medical decisions for other people.

:lamo You mean one where I doctors aren't mutilating their patients when they're newborns? Yeah, that would be nice.

 

[Henrin]

Hmm...balanced individuals is not how I would describe the trans folk I know or encounter online.

Nope. :lol:

 

[Absentglare]

You mean like how people wanting to be paralyzed would be if doctors broke their backs? Apparently doctors don't find breaking their backs a good treatment even if it would help with their mental distress. Castrating a man is peachy if they have mental distress over their testicles, but breaking the same guys back if he has distress over not being paralyzed isn't. Go figure

Those are completely different sources of distress, your conflation of the two showcases your ignorance on the matter.