LGBT adoption and parenting

[AmIsraelHai]

In some places same-Sex Couples Are Being Turned Away From Becoming Adoptive Parents.
Why should we allow same-sex couple to adopt?
Don't they ruin the child psychologically by teaching the wrong things and going against mother nature?
The entire nature is getting destroyed by adopting kids and showing that its OK, to not have a dad and a mother.
The society must grow their population and by exposing kids to couples of same sex, we are destroying their mental life and avoiding the growth of the society.

 

[Phys251]

In some places same-Sex Couples Are Being Turned Away From Becoming Adoptive Parents.
Why should we allow same-sex couple to adopt?
Don't they ruin the child psychologically by teaching the wrong things and going against mother nature?
The entire nature is getting destroyed by adopting kids and showing that its OK, to not have a dad and a mother.
The society must grow their population and by exposing kids to couples of same sex, we are destroying their mental life and avoiding the growth of the society.

Please prove with supporting documentation that there is any evidence to suggest that LGBTQ parents are inherently less able or more dangerous for children than heteronormative parents are.

 

[OrphanSlug]

In some places same-Sex Couples Are Being Turned Away From Becoming Adoptive Parents.
Why should we allow same-sex couple to adopt?
Don't they ruin the child psychologically by teaching the wrong things and going against mother nature?
The entire nature is getting destroyed by adopting kids and showing that its OK, to not have a dad and a mother.
The society must grow their population and by exposing kids to couples of same sex, we are destroying their mental life and avoiding the growth of the society.

Until you produce something other than your own prejudices and homophobia, we will have little to discuss.

 

[TheGoverness]

In some places same-Sex Couples Are Being Turned Away From Becoming Adoptive Parents.
Why should we allow same-sex couple to adopt?
Don't they ruin the child psychologically by teaching the wrong things and going against mother nature?
The entire nature is getting destroyed by adopting kids and showing that its OK, to not have a dad and a mother.
The society must grow their population and by exposing kids to couples of same sex, we are destroying their mental life and avoiding the growth of the society.

Same-sex couples should have the ability to adopt just as much as anyone else. They aren't somehow inherently worse than a straight couples that choose to parent. Plenty of people have been raised by gay parents, and have come out just fine. Same- sex parents aren't "ruining" their kid's psychologically. You do realise that being gay isn't lifestyle? It's not like it's a disease that spreads to children. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's not a choice. Once again, as I've already told you in that other thread (and which you refused to listen) nature isn't being destoyed. Homosexual behavior is observed in nearly 450 species in the wild; its entirely natural.

The earth's population is approaching 8 Billion. If anything we needed to stop having so many kids, because we are getting close to an overpopulation crisis. Adopting kids is a good alternative to that, while not adding to the overpopulation problem.

 

[OlNate]

In some places same-Sex Couples Are Being Turned Away From Becoming Adoptive Parents.
Why should we allow same-sex couple to adopt?
Don't they ruin the child psychologically by teaching the wrong things and going against mother nature?
The entire nature is getting destroyed by adopting kids and showing that its OK, to not have a dad and a mother.
The society must grow their population and by exposing kids to couples of same sex, we are destroying their mental life and avoiding the growth of the society.

We're overpopulated as it is, and there is a parade of studies that I can show you that indicate that there is no identifiable outlier status for kids raised in same sex parenting households.

Sounds like you just have a thing against gay folks...

 

[TheGoverness]

Please prove with supporting documentation that there is any evidence to suggest that LGBTQ parents are inherently less able or more dangerous for children than heteronormative parents are.

You wanna go see Endgame again, while we're at it? It's gonna be a while.

 

[Phys251]

You wanna go see Endgame again, while we're at it? It's gonna be a while.

I'll bring War and Peace for the additional wait after.

 

[JPUK]

I think Dr Jordan Peterson spoke very well on this. He said that if you're a gay couple wanting to adopt, all credit to you, but you must accept the potential disadvantages of not having a gender role model and actively work to mitigate it. Whilst there is no evidence of a disadvantage, it is considered that not having both gender roles could be disadvantageous.

I agree with this view. Certainly it is a very charitable act and far better for the child to be brought up in a loving environment, than in the care of the state. But it is important that same sex parents have a sensible and honest approach and are aware of their different status and work to mitigate it.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

In some places same-Sex Couples Are Being Turned Away From Becoming Adoptive Parents.
Why should we allow same-sex couple to adopt?
Don't they ruin the child psychologically by teaching the wrong things and going against mother nature?
The entire nature is getting destroyed by adopting kids and showing that its OK, to not have a dad and a mother.
The society must grow their population and by exposing kids to couples of same sex, we are destroying their mental life and avoiding the growth of the society.

A. Their 'mental lives' are not being destroyed, nor can you demonstrate that they are.
B. children being 'exposed' to SSM has zero do with the 'growth' of society, nor can you demonstrate that it is.

/Thread.

You're most welcome.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Please prove with supporting documentation that there is any evidence to suggest that LGBTQ parents are inherently less able or more dangerous for children than heteronormative parents are.

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that the condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

Go to:
Biographical Note
Richard Fitzgibbons, M.D., is the director of the Institute for Marital Healing outside Philadelphia and has worked with several thousand couples over the past forty years. Trained in psychiatry at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and the Philadelphia Child Guidance Center, he participated in cognitive therapy research with Aaron T. Beck. He has been an adjunct professor at the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for the Studies of Marriage and Family (The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC) and a consultor to the Vatican's Congregation for the Clergy.

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References
Allen D.W. 2013. High school graduation rates among children of same sex-households. Review of Economics of the Household 11: 635–58. [Google Scholar]
Allen D.W., Pakaluk C., Price J. 2012. Nontraditional families and childhood progress through school: A comment on Rosenfeld. Demography 47: 755–75. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
American Psychological Association. 2005. Lesbian & gay parenting. http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting-full.pdf.
Biblarz T.J., Stacey J. 2010. How does the gender of parents matter? Journal of Marriage and Family 72: 3–22. [Google Scholar]
Gartrell N., Bos H. 2010. US national longitudinal lesbian family study: Psychological adjustment of 17-year-old adolescents. Pediatrics 126: 28–36. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Goldberg A.E. 2007. (How) does it make a difference? Perspectives of adults with lesbian, gay, and bisexual parents. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 77: 550–62. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Golombok S., Blake L., Casey P., Roman G., Jadva V. 2013. Children born through reproductive donation: A longitudinal study of psychological adjustment. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 54: 653–60. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Kobak R. 1999. The emotional dynamics of disruptions in attachment relationships: Implications for theory, research, and clinical intervention. In Cassidy J., Shaver P.R. (eds.), Handbook of Attachment (pp. 21–43). New York: The Guilford Press. [Google Scholar]
Marks L. 2012. Same-sex parenting and children's outcomes: A closer examination of the American Psychological Association's brief on lesbian and gay parenting. Social Science Research 41: 735–51. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Marquardt T., , Glenn N., , Clark K. 2010 My daddy's name is ‘donor’: A new study of young adults conceived through sperm donation. Institute for American Values. http://americanvalues.org/catalog/pdfs/Donor_FINAL.pdf .
Potter D. 2012. Same-sex parent families and children's academic achievement. Journal of Marriage and Family 74: 556–71. [Google Scholar]
Regnerus M. 2012. How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study. Social Science Research 41: 752–70. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Sarantakos S. 1996. Children in three contexts. Children Australia 21: 23–31. [Google Scholar]
Sullins D.P. 2015a Emotional problems among children with same-sex parents: Difference by definition. British Journal of Education, Society and Behavioural Science (January 25), Emotional Problems among Children with Same-Sex Parents: Difference by Definition by Donald Sullins :: SSRN .
Sullins D.P. 2015b. Child attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in same-sex parent families in the United States: Prevalence and comorbidities. British Journal of Medicine and Medical Research 6: 987–98. [Google Scholar]
Sullins D.P. 2015c. Bias in recruited sample research on children with same-sex parents using the strength and difficulties questionnaire (SDQ). Journal of Scientific Research and Reports 5(5): 375–87. [Google Scholar]
Sirota T. 2009. Adult attachment style dimensions in women with gay or bisexual fathers. Archives of Psychiatric Nursing 23: 289–97. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]

 

[JPUK]

Gay people exist and always have. If they're willing and able to support society by giving love and support to otherwise unwanted children, we should welcome it. Not only is it a reduced burden on the state, but it is better for the children. What we need to do is be honest and upfront about accepting and mitigating any disadvantage arising from not having two gender parents.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

We're overpopulated as it is, and there is a parade of studies that I can show you that indicate that there is no identifiable outlier status for kids raised in same sex parenting households.

Sounds like you just have a thing against gay folks...

I absolutely have no problems with gay people, my problem is when the try to change society

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Until you produce something other than your own prejudices and homophobia, we will have little to discuss.

Biographical Note
Richard Fitzgibbons, M.D., is the director of the Institute for Marital Healing outside Philadelphia and has worked with several thousand couples over the past forty years. Trained in psychiatry at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and the Philadelphia Child Guidance Center, he participated in cognitive therapy research with Aaron T. Beck. He has been an adjunct professor at the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for the Studies of Marriage and Family (The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC) and a consultor to the Vatican's Congregation for the Clergy.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

A. Their 'mental lives' are not being destroyed, nor can you demonstrate that they are.
B. children being 'exposed' to SSM has zero do with the 'growth' of society, nor can you demonstrate that it is.

/Thread.

You're most welcome.

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that the condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Gay people exist and always have. If they're willing and able to support society by giving love and support to otherwise unwanted children, we should welcome it. Not only is it a reduced burden on the state, but it is better for the children. What we need to do is be honest and upfront about accepting and mitigating any disadvantage arising from not having two gender parents.

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons.

 

[AmIsraelHai]

You wanna go see Endgame again, while we're at it? It's gonna be a while.

Nop....

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that the condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

Go to:
Biographical Note
Richard Fitzgibbons, M.D., is the director of the Institute for Marital Healing outside Philadelphia and has worked with several thousand couples over the past forty years. Trained in psychiatry at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and the Philadelphia Child Guidance Center, he participated in cognitive therapy research with Aaron T. Beck. He has been an adjunct professor at the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for the Studies of Marriage and Family (The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC) and a consultor to the Vatican's Congregation for the Clergy.

Go to:
References
Allen D.W. 2013. High school graduation rates among children of same sex-households. Review of Economics of the Household 11: 635–58. [Google Scholar]
Allen D.W., Pakaluk C., Price J. 2012. Nontraditional families and childhood progress through school: A comment on Rosenfeld. Demography 47: 755–75. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
American Psychological Association. 2005. Lesbian & gay parenting. http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting-full.pdf.
Biblarz T.J., Stacey J. 2010. How does the gender of parents matter? Journal of Marriage and Family 72: 3–22. [Google Scholar]
Gartrell N., Bos H. 2010. US national longitudinal lesbian family study: Psychological adjustment of 17-year-old adolescents. Pediatrics 126: 28–36. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Goldberg A.E. 2007. (How) does it make a difference? Perspectives of adults with lesbian, gay, and bisexual parents. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry 77: 550–62. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Golombok S., Blake L., Casey P., Roman G., Jadva V. 2013. Children born through reproductive donation: A longitudinal study of psychological adjustment. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 54: 653–60. [PMC free article] [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Kobak R. 1999. The emotional dynamics of disruptions in attachment relationships: Implications for theory, research, and clinical intervention. In Cassidy J., Shaver P.R. (eds.), Handbook of Attachment (pp. 21–43). New York: The Guilford Press. [Google Scholar]
Marks L. 2012. Same-sex parenting and children's outcomes: A closer examination of the American Psychological Association's brief on lesbian and gay parenting. Social Science Research 41: 735–51. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Marquardt T., , Glenn N., , Clark K. 2010 My daddy's name is ‘donor’: A new study of young adults conceived through sperm donation. Institute for American Values. http://americanvalues.org/catalog/pdfs/Donor_FINAL.pdf .
Potter D. 2012. Same-sex parent families and children's academic achievement. Journal of Marriage and Family 74: 556–71. [Google Scholar]
Regnerus M. 2012. How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study. Social Science Research 41: 752–70. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]
Sarantakos S. 1996. Children in three contexts. Children Australia 21: 23–31. [Google Scholar]
Sullins D.P. 2015a Emotional problems among children with same-sex parents: Difference by definition. British Journal of Education, Society and Behavioural Science (January 25), Emotional Problems among Children with Same-Sex Parents: Difference by Definition by Donald Sullins :: SSRN .
Sullins D.P. 2015b. Child attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in same-sex parent families in the United States: Prevalence and comorbidities. British Journal of Medicine and Medical Research 6: 987–98. [Google Scholar]
Sullins D.P. 2015c. Bias in recruited sample research on children with same-sex parents using the strength and difficulties questionnaire (SDQ). Journal of Scientific Research and Reports 5(5): 375–87. [Google Scholar]
Sirota T. 2009. Adult attachment style dimensions in women with gay or bisexual fathers. Archives of Psychiatric Nursing 23: 289–97. [PubMed] [Google Scholar]

 

[JPUK]

It is certainly accurate to say that there is currently no objective reliable evidence of any disadvantage to children raised by same sex parents. However not enough research has been done and it is not unreasonable to say that the absence of a gender role could pose a disadvantage. This is something that, as clinical psychologist Dr Peterson says, same sex couples should be aware of and seek to mitigate. So of course it is better than the children being left in state care, but we need to be sensible and deal with the challenges in an upfront manner to ensure it works.

And it should be evidence based. Religious views are unhelpful here and should be duly disregarded.

 

[OlNate]

I absolutely have no problems with gay people, my problem is when the try to change society

Why? What possible difference could it make to you?

And it's not just them that would like to "change society". I'm as straight as straight can be...and I will be the first to tell you that my gay father is an awesome dad. I'd like to see a society where he wasn't instantly judged by people like you. Or, failing that, that your judging doesn't impact their ability to live their lives the way they wish...you know, just like we're allowed to?

I dunno, friend...you say you "don't have a problem" with gay people (how generous a thing for you to say)… But if that were true, why would you go out of your way to start a thread saying they should be denied the ability to adopt? Especially when studies show that it's not hurting the kids? Gotta be some reason you feel entitled enough to insert your nose in their business...

 

[AmIsraelHai]

Why? What possible difference could it make to you?

And it's not just them that would like to "change society". I'm as straight as straight can be...and I will be the first to tell you that my gay father is an awesome dad. I'd like to see a society where he wasn't instantly judged by people like you. Or, failing that, that your judging doesn't impact their ability to live their lives the way they wish...you know, just like we're allowed to?

I dunno, friend...you say you "don't have a problem" with gay people (how generous a thing for you to say)… But if that were true, why would you go out of your way to start a thread saying they should be denied the ability to adopt? Especially when studies show that it's not hurting the kids? Gotta be some reason you feel entitled enough to insert your nose in their business...

I just explained it

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that the condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Biographical Note
Richard Fitzgibbons, M.D., is the director of the Institute for Marital Healing outside Philadelphia and has worked with several thousand couples over the past forty years. Trained in psychiatry at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and the Philadelphia Child Guidance Center, he participated in cognitive therapy research with Aaron T. Beck. He has been an adjunct professor at the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for the Studies of Marriage and Family (The Catholic University of America, Washington, DC) and a consultor to the Vatican's Congregation for the Clergy.

If this is your source (and anyone can cut and paste a bio) then I rest my case.

 

[RAMOSS]

In some places same-Sex Couples Are Being Turned Away From Becoming Adoptive Parents.
Why should we allow same-sex couple to adopt?
Don't they ruin the child psychologically by teaching the wrong things and going against mother nature?
The entire nature is getting destroyed by adopting kids and showing that its OK, to not have a dad and a mother.
The society must grow their population and by exposing kids to couples of same sex, we are destroying their mental life and avoiding the growth of the society.

No, they don't get ruined psychologically. The people I know who were raised by same gendered parents are quite well adjusted. So, your rant has very little value.

 

[RAMOSS]

You wanna go see Endgame again, while we're at it? It's gonna be a while.

And wait for Guardians of the Galaxy 3 to come out too!

 

[OlNate]

I just explained it

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that the condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

*sigh*...ok, stay tuned for list of studies that show the opposite of what you're claiming. Will be later tonight...

 

[AmIsraelHai]

No, they don't get ruined psychologically. The people I know who were raised by same gendered parents are quite well adjusted. So, your rant has very little value.

Its not mine, I brought a research;

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that the condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

An objective examination of social science research into how families function reveals clearly that children do best when raised by both a mother and a father and fully supports this statement by the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

Irrelevant. Ratzinger is a dishonest whore who knows absolutely nothing of sexuality and/or modern families.

the absence of complementarity in these unions (same sex) creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that the condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development.

That doesn't support your asinine claims about mental lives being destroyed and the growth of society.

You're welcome.