Let's talk about logical fallacies....

[Jonsa]

I highly recommend watching any of his videos. He's about the only guy out there I'd give that kind of carte blanche recommendation for - while I haven't seen all of his videos, given what I have watched I doubt I'll embarrass myself giving that recommendation.

I've watch a few of his. He appears to be an independent with sharp observational and strong communication skills in a stereotypical good ol' boy package.

 

[Bum]

I believe he was ruminating without descriptive notes, but might have a list of the fallacies to his lower left.

But yeah, he's a lot sharper than basic outward appearances and demeanor might suggest.

This gentleman is the Bob Ross of debate analysis.

 

[Robertinfremont]

So, he never says he's perfect... :shrug: But I'm sure if you were to ask him, he'd point you to way better examples than this. This is not one of his political videos, this is a training video, on a subject he's qualified to speak on. Weird one to pick, bud.

Did you find anything incorrect about his discussion of the various logical fallacies?

I will not do your dog and pony show for your benefit. I anointed my comments with some of his flaws.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Out of all this post the phrase 'progressive libertarianism' caused me to write this post. Being progressive and being libertarian are two opposite things. A libertarian is for small gov't and a progressive is for massive gov't. Maybe you meant left-leaning libertarian? Or a progressive?

Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
hehe...he's actually even more mysterious. But some of his early videos discuss his past. Here's what I know:

He was never LEO or enlisted military, rather he was a military contractor. He has trained police forces, but no longer does, out of principle, except in a few cases where individual officers wanted to understand how to avoid hurting people.
After that he became a journalist.
He is not university educated.
He has spent time in prison.


This guy went to prison so he is great? And that is logical?

 

[pinqy]

How can the guy think that attacking the climate change activists for riding in gas guzzling SUVs is a fallacy? Isn't guzzling gas reaaaaaly bad for the environment according to the climate change activist?? Isn't the environment at its tipping point according to climate change activists?

Because climate change activists driving has guzzling cars has nothing to do with any facts about climate change. That someone doesn't practice what they preach does not mean that what they preach is wrong.

OK, quiz: That a certain politician said we have 9 years to correct climate change and, because of that statement, it is imperative that we do something about climate change is an example of which philosophical error?

Woody because of that statement? Ar bummer from Authority.

 

[OlNate]

Out of all this post the phrase 'progressive libertarianism' caused me to write this post. Being progressive and being libertarian are two opposite things. A libertarian is for small gov't and a progressive is for massive gov't. Maybe you meant left-leaning libertarian? Or a progressive?

lol...I know, it was problematic for me as well, which I did say in the post.

He sounds very libertarian, in that he does not put a lot of stock in the federal government, especially the current one, but also in general. He advocates for communities to fill the gap, rather than demanding government to do that, because he does not appear to believe that government is all that interested in doing it in a way that benefits you, the people. Yet, he seems to see the value in the kinds of programs you need government for, and advocates for a better government, that serves the people.

Basically, he's a founding father that arrived on the scene 243 years too late...or just in time, depending on your views of America at the moment.

 

[OlNate]

Quote Originally Posted by OlNate View Post
hehe...he's actually even more mysterious. But some of his early videos discuss his past. Here's what I know:

He was never LEO or enlisted military, rather he was a military contractor. He has trained police forces, but no longer does, out of principle, except in a few cases where individual officers wanted to understand how to avoid hurting people.
After that he became a journalist.
He is not university educated.
He has spent time in prison.


This guy went to prison so he is great? And that is logical?

He went to prison and was rehabilitated, and chooses to spend his life educating people. I think that's pretty great. :shrug: He can speak from a place of understanding, he can relate to more people. Bad stuff happens to everyone, what makes someone great is when they lift themselves out of it and use it to be more wise.

Why do you want to hate this guy so much?

 

[OlNate]

Mebe he has transformed himself from his illogical thinking? Ah, if that were the case, I imagine he'd want to exhibit some sort of mea culpa by showing many of the 'incorrect thinking' segments of his own.

He specifically called out his own use of Nirvana fallacy in the video... I think if you were to watch his videos in general, you'd very quickly find out that he's the last person in the world to claim perfection. I mean, he literally ends every single one of his videos with "It's just a thought". That's a kind of humility we don't really see in 2020. I find it refreshing.

 

[OlNate]

How can the guy think that attacking the climate change activists for riding in gas guzzling SUVs is a fallacy? Isn't guzzling gas reaaaaaly bad for the environment according to the climate change activist?? Isn't the environment at its tipping point according to climate change activists?

OK, quiz: That a certain politician said we have 9 years to correct climate change and, because of that statement, it is imperative that we do something about climate change is an example of which philosophical error?

He actually explained it rather well. The fact that they drive a gas guzzler doesn't take anything away from their argument, if their argument is sound. You can criticize them personally for not following their own advice, but that's not an attack on their logic, because it doesn't address their argument, only their personal behavior. :shrug:

 

[Chomsky]

This gentleman is the Bob Ross of debate analysis.

:lamo

I bet he's a fan of Donovan! (musician)

 

[OlNate]

This gentleman is the Bob Ross of debate analysis.

Hehe...well, if Bob Ross had been a military contractor, maybe...

 

[Bum]

Hehe...well, if Bob Ross had been a military contractor, maybe...

Bob Ross was a 20 year USAF vet.

 

[OlNate]

I was hoping to get some woodworking tips!


Book/cover?

haha...that's this guy's stated strategy. In his early days, he used to play up the redneck schtick even more, but simmered it down when he started to get serious attention. But he uses the fact that maybe some folks who need to hear what he has to say will do so based on his appearance and demeanor. Sometimes it's easier to hear the truth from a comfortable face.

 

[OlNate]

If it wasn't for fallacies right wingers would have no arguments at all.

I don't think that logical fallacies are the sole territory of the right. I've seen plenty of examples from the left, and I've been guilty of them myself. :shrug:

 

[OlNate]

Bob Ross was a 20 year USAF vet.

Well, damn, I learned something! Had no idea, thanks for that, interesting reading ahead.

 

[Bum]

:lamo

I bet he's a fan of Donovan! (musician)

I'm a fan of Donovan......however, I cannot stand "Mello Yellow".

 

[Bum]

Well, damn, I learned something! Had no idea, thanks for that, interesting reading ahead.

He was stationed in Alaska....thats where he took much of his inspiration for his mountain scenes.

 

[Chomsky]

I'm a fan of Donovan......however, I cannot stand "Mello Yellow".

I'm fine with it, but yeah - I can see where it deviates a bit from his usual sound.

I love Hurdy Gurdy Man. Did you know that's Jimmy Page on guitar? Got to admit, that's some great lead work there.

Anyway,

"Hail Atlantis!"

:2razz:

 

[Bum]

I'm fine with it, but yeah - I can see where it deviates a bit from his usual sound.

I love Hurdy Gurdy Man. Did you know that's Jimmy Page on guitar? Got to admit, that's some great lead work there.

Anyway,

"Hail Atlantis!"

:2razz:

No, Sir....I had no idea; and I do like Hurdy Gurdy Man ( and, oddly enough, the sound of the Hurdy Gurdy Instrument).

 

[lurchadams]

I highly recommend watching any of his videos. He's about the only guy out there I'd give that kind of carte blanche recommendation for - while I haven't seen all of his videos, given what I have watched I doubt I'll embarrass myself giving that recommendation.

I did watch a couple more last night. Watching the one in your OP put several of his videos in my youtube playlist. I can see why X pooh poohed the guy - the guy isn't the biggest trump supporter!

 

[Chomsky]

No, Sir....I had no idea; and I do like Hurdy Gurdy Man ( and, oddly enough, the sound of the Hurdy Gurdy Instrument).

Give it a listen, then! It's pretty well produced for its time.

I think it's easy to forget just how important, elevated, and revered, Donovan was. He really was an elder statesman, mentoring the Beatles, Dylan, and others. Hell - Lennon, Harrison, and McCartney claim he taught them guitar theory & technique, resulting in "Dear Prudence", "Blackbird", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", among others! Much of the White Album!

During those early days (mid-sixties), gaining an audience with Donovan was one of the visiting American Bands' most prized events. Check-out the D. A. Pennebaker Dylan video documentary, "Don't Look Back". It covers Dylan's first tour of England, and was shot contemporaneously. It's a great documentary in itself. Pennebaker often just lets the camera roll. Highly recommended!

Anyway, you might find this 8 minute Rolling Stone interview interesting. The relevant part is the first 3 or 4 minutes, but the rest is pretty interesting as well.

Enjoy!

 

[DiAnna]

Unless they're white, of course. There's that nasty white supremacy, right?:roll: Oh, and the police. Every police person must act like the one who killed Floyd, right? Isn't that why there was protesting from coast to coast after Floyd was killed?:roll:

This post is an example of at least 4 of the fallacies documented in the video. Good job. :roll:

 

[DiAnna]

He actually explained it rather well. The fact that they drive a gas guzzler doesn't take anything away from their argument, if their argument is sound. You can criticize them personally for not following their own advice, but that's not an attack on their logic, because it doesn't address their argument, only their personal behavior. :shrug:

You have the patience of a saint, lol.

 

[Cardinal]

A really good primer on debate tactics, for nerds like me who is interested in this stuff. I've posted videos from this guy before, he's probably my favorite political youtuber at the moment. I'm sure you'll recognize many of these concepts at play here at DP, as he explains them. It's a really good explanation of the various fallacy tactics that debaters use. I know I've been guilty of a few myself... :lol:



No real debate here, I didn't know where else to put it. Maybe bump it with a comment, though, as I think a lot of folks here would benefit from seeing this one...hehe... :cheers:

If people couldn't make appeals to hypocrisy and straw men arguments about half of DP's members would disappear overnight.

 

[Cardinal]

Here is the same man making mistakes he points out in his logical comments.

Hint, he judges cops by one cop but he does more. spot them.

Oh, I get it. You were making the appeal to hypocrisy fallacy as an ironic way to demonstrate you watched the video.

Good job!