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Let's hear the best theories on NO and LV, given 'what we know'.

We know. Two crazy SOB's decided to try to kill a bunch of people as some kind of statement. What was the statement? I guess that it was, "I'm crazy as shit and I think I want to die and before I do I want to take some people I don't know with me."
 
A couple of angry losers, both resorting to extreme violence as their final **** you to the word, ending their miserable lives. The world is a better place without them.
LOL So Trump supporters are losers? I thought he won?
 
We know. Two crazy SOB's decided to try to kill a bunch of people as some kind of statement. What was the statement? I guess that it was, "I'm crazy as shit and I think I want to die and before I do I want to take some people I don't know with me."
What we also know is that they were both born in the USA and veterans too. Someone should tell Trump that don't you think? Lie we have said many times.... immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than natural born Americans.
 
Have at it! Wait,.. we already have. :cautious:

I mostly just sit back and read. Don't have time in life to give too much time into online arguments.

We've gone from Maga or Muslim, to home-grown military vet terrorist radicalized; Cybertruck, Trump hotel, military.

Accomplices, no Accomplices(due diligence?)

Both Fort Bragg. Both Turo app...

No clear connections last I read.. I await updates.
Hard to say at this point. What's glaringly obvious to me is in the NO tragedy, this long term service man seems to have a love of ISIS; clear proof of another trumpdump lie that he has wiped out ISIS; he clearly hasn't...and the LV incident didn't happen in front of a trump building by coincidence. What's strange is on our local news last week, one of these trucks caught fire on a car lot in Dekalb county, GA. Right next to Fulton county and right next to my county during the middle of the night. Sorry, I don't believe in most coincidences. Seems to me in the LV incident, someone is pissed at Musk and maybe trump too.

Guess we'll never know the motivation of the dead NO terrorist, and I'd image it will take a long minute to figure out the reason for the LV incident too.
 
How should Turo be regulated that would be different for any other car rental company?
Likely the way Congress feels will generate them the most votes.
 
Have at it! Wait,.. we already have. :cautious:

I mostly just sit back and read. Don't have time in life to give too much time into online arguments.

We've gone from Maga or Muslim, to home-grown military vet terrorist radicalized; Cybertruck, Trump hotel, military.

Accomplices, no Accomplices(due diligence?)

Both Fort Bragg. Both Turo app...

No clear connections last I read.. I await updates.
Here’s my theory.
The incidents are not connected.
The one in Vegas was a suicide because of a personal emotional problem (a fight with his second wife). But … the explosion was caused by the suicide. How you may ask?The guy ate his gun while in the drivers seat and the bullet went through to hit something in cargo area which then set everything off.
 
We know. Two crazy SOB's decided to try to kill a bunch of people as some kind of statement. What was the statement? I guess that it was, "I'm crazy as shit and I think I want to die and before I do I want to take some people I don't know with me."

Pretty sure the message is "hi, we're loser POS males and we cant handle our feelings after we lose our jobs, our $, our women, and so we blame everyone else."
 
I have a problem with this. Ok. Let me get this straight. This Trump Hotel bombing guy was pissed and used a Cybertruck to blow up in front of a Trump Hotel. Ok. He loaded the truck up with Fireworks and bottles of camping gas. Wait what? He was a former Green Beret. Wait a damned minute.

I know what kind of training Green Beret’s get. They can make more bombs than I can, out of readily available materials. It would have cost him a couple hundred bucks, probably what he spent on Fireworks and Camping Gas to go pop. For that money he could have made an ANFO bomb which would have been a lot more effective. Heck, he could have spent about the same money and rented a U-Haul Truck and loaded it up with a lot of explosives. He certainly would have known that a little pop outside wouldn’t do much. He would know the Bomb needed to be inside to get maximum effect.

You are asking me to believe that this guy who was literally trained to get the maximum effect from the least resources, a guy who was trained to create a Guerrilla fighting force out of ignorant villagers, to make explosives and weapons out of locally available materials went with low yield black powder based fireworks and some camping gas? Really? That would be like claiming you have an original piece of art from Van Gogh in Crayon hanging on your fridge.

I’m not buying that anyone trained that well was so ineffective. If he snapped he damned sure would have gone with his training, and he was trained to be a lot more competent than that.
 
I have a problem with this. Ok. Let me get this straight. This Trump Hotel bombing guy was pissed and used a Cybertruck to blow up in front of a Trump Hotel. Ok. He loaded the truck up with Fireworks and bottles of camping gas. Wait what? He was a former Green Beret. Wait a damned minute.

I know what kind of training Green Beret’s get. They can make more bombs than I can, out of readily available materials. It would have cost him a couple hundred bucks, probably what he spent on Fireworks and Camping Gas to go pop. For that money he could have made an ANFO bomb which would have been a lot more effective. Heck, he could have spent about the same money and rented a U-Haul Truck and loaded it up with a lot of explosives. He certainly would have known that a little pop outside wouldn’t do much. He would know the Bomb needed to be inside to get maximum effect.

You are asking me to believe that this guy who was literally trained to get the maximum effect from the least resources, a guy who was trained to create a Guerrilla fighting force out of ignorant villagers, to make explosives and weapons out of locally available materials went with low yield black powder based fireworks and some camping gas? Really? That would be like claiming you have an original piece of art from Van Gogh in Crayon hanging on your fridge.

I’m not buying that anyone trained that well was so ineffective. If he snapped he damned sure would have gone with his training, and he was trained to be a lot more competent than that.
I tend to agree with this because the choices he made don’t seem to really add up if he meant that as a terroristic attack.
 
I tend to agree with this because the choices he made don’t seem to really add up if he meant that as a terroristic attack.

It doesn’t add up no matter how you work the parts. Ok. He was pissed at his employment problems, and girl problems. I can see him blowing his brains out in front of her apartment, or in front of her. Idiots of both genders have done something like that in the past. I can see him shooting up whoever did him wrong at work. Workplace violence has been a thing since the 1980’s. I can’t see him being mad about all of that, renting a Cybertruck and driving it to a Trump Hotel in Vegas to blow his brains out and “accidentally” set off the Fireworks and Gas in the back.

Nothing about this adds up. If he had snapped and wanted a quick death, Ok, why drive to Vegas in a Rented Cybertruck? He was a big supporter of Trump, why target Trump’s building that way? Every fact you look at doesn’t add up with any of the others.

Look, Oklahoma City. A couple Grunt’s, not Green Beret’s blew up the entire Federal Building. They had minimal training on explosives and still managed to destroy a building. This guy had the equivalent of a Masters Degree in Improvised Explosives and went with Fireworks?

Maybe he was concerned that the Feds were tracking him and didn’t want to give them evidence of his assembling bomb making materials. Okay. Has anyone heard of Cash? Go to one store and buy some high Nitrate Fertilizer. A couple bags at one store, a single bag at another. They’re not going to demand your name or ask to see ID. Getting five gallons of Diesel would be just as easy. We aren’t talking about trying to get Sudafed to make Meth where you got to break out ID and tell the Cops you’re buying some when you get seven lousy pills. We’re talking about Fertilizer and Diesel. Stuff that is sold by the literal Ton every hour in this nation.

He could do all that in a couple days, and mix it on day three. Load it into a Ryder Rental Truck and be rolling down to wherever he wanted to bomb.

And if he was that angry at the Ex Girlfriend, why not blow her up? Drive up and say hey Honey, got a minute? Bang.

The parts don’t add up.
 
I have a problem with this. Ok. Let me get this straight. This Trump Hotel bombing guy was pissed and used a Cybertruck to blow up in front of a Trump Hotel. Ok. He loaded the truck up with Fireworks and bottles of camping gas. Wait what? He was a former Green Beret. Wait a damned minute.

I know what kind of training Green Beret’s get. They can make more bombs than I can, out of readily available materials. It would have cost him a couple hundred bucks, probably what he spent on Fireworks and Camping Gas to go pop. For that money he could have made an ANFO bomb which would have been a lot more effective. Heck, he could have spent about the same money and rented a U-Haul Truck and loaded it up with a lot of explosives. He certainly would have known that a little pop outside wouldn’t do much. He would know the Bomb needed to be inside to get maximum effect.

You are asking me to believe that this guy who was literally trained to get the maximum effect from the least resources, a guy who was trained to create a Guerrilla fighting force out of ignorant villagers, to make explosives and weapons out of locally available materials went with low yield black powder based fireworks and some camping gas? Really? That would be like claiming you have an original piece of art from Van Gogh in Crayon hanging on your fridge.

I’m not buying that anyone trained that well was so ineffective. If he snapped he damned sure would have gone with his training, and he was trained to be a lot more competent than that.



I sure find your arguments very convincing :) Something not right
 
I sure find your arguments very convincing :) Something not right

I was in the Army. I was not a Green Beret but I was a training dummy for Robin Sage, the final exam for prospective Green Beret students.

I also know a few former Green Beanies. I understand how the Army trains Soldiers. Almost all of the training is mind numbing repetition. This seems redundant as hell until you realize that they’ve trained you to do things without thinking. At first it is simple things. Stand still. March. Stop. Turn.

Then it is slightly more complex. If your weapon malfunctions perform SPORTS. Slap the Magazine. Pull the Charging Handle. Observe the chamber. Release the charging handle. Tap the forward assist. Shoot.

You do this over and over again because in combat if you do have a malfunction they don’t want you thinking about it, they want your hands doing it before you get done swearing about it.

As you progress in rank and responsibility you begin doing even more complex things automatically. They spend anywhere between a year and eighteen months training Green Berets. Imagine how much is automatic for them?

So the idea that this guy went with the least effective things he could is so out of character for a Soldier of his training that I can’t begin to describe it. He literally ignored a lifetime of training and experience to do it this way.

There is an old saying. When in doubt, you go with what you know. For me, it is my training as a Combat Engineer. I have relied upon that extensively during hurricane cleanup. I did rigging, ropes and pulleys. Weight calculations and maximum strength estimates. All of which I learned in the Army. I’ve been out of the Army since 1997. I still think like an Engineer. My buddies are the same. We chat on Facebook. So if we were trained to do that, it seems beyond impossible that a Green Beanie was trained incompetently.
 
I was in the Army. I was not a Green Beret but I was a training dummy for Robin Sage, the final exam for prospective Green Beret students.

I also know a few former Green Beanies. I understand how the Army trains Soldiers. Almost all of the training is mind numbing repetition. This seems redundant as hell until you realize that they’ve trained you to do things without thinking. At first it is simple things. Stand still. March. Stop. Turn.

Then it is slightly more complex. If your weapon malfunctions perform SPORTS. Slap the Magazine. Pull the Charging Handle. Observe the chamber. Release the charging handle. Tap the forward assist. Shoot.

You do this over and over again because in combat if you do have a malfunction they don’t want you thinking about it, they want your hands doing it before you get done swearing about it.

As you progress in rank and responsibility you begin doing even more complex things automatically. They spend anywhere between a year and eighteen months training Green Berets. Imagine how much is automatic for them?

So the idea that this guy went with the least effective things he could is so out of character for a Soldier of his training that I can’t begin to describe it. He literally ignored a lifetime of training and experience to do it this way.

There is an old saying. When in doubt, you go with what you know. For me, it is my training as a Combat Engineer. I have relied upon that extensively during hurricane cleanup. I did rigging, ropes and pulleys. Weight calculations and maximum strength estimates. All of which I learned in the Army. I’ve been out of the Army since 1997. I still think like an Engineer. My buddies are the same. We chat on Facebook. So if we were trained to do that, it seems beyond impossible that a Green Beanie was trained incompetently.

Good posts.

I agree. I don't believe that the LV event was a mistake that wasn't planned. I read yesterday that the guy in LV made 3 trips to LV prior to his final trip. Why? I don't know but sounds as if he was practicing, a dry run.

Also, if he was despondent over his wife very recently leaving him why the hell would he rent a Musk truck, fill it up with highly inflammatory items, gun up and drive to LV? Somehow despondency and fireworks don't make sense.

Assuming Livelsberger was paranoid regarding something related to his duties or knowledge of super classified information a valid issue? Could be. We don't know.

Was Livelsberger displaying signs of paranoia? Has he been under psychiatric care recently? Was he under the impression that the military (CID) or the FBI or the CIA was tracking him? [Government tracking, etc. doesn't have to be true if to believed it was true.]

Recently there has been an undercurrent of official concern about Islamic terrorism in the US. It's there. It has been slightly reported in the news, but it is there if you look for it.

From what I have read Washington is concerned. The subtext is that ISIS and Al-Qaeda (not necessarily working in concert) have been planning and preparing to take the war to the infidels where they live and work and play. This also includes attacks on American embassies.

Their plans include Europe.

ISIS has been relatively quiet but not inactive. At some point in the recent past they decided to decentralize their command and control for reasons of security. The greater number of people who are knowledgeable the greater the chance strategy and specific operations can be leaked and compromised.

If I recall correctly, somewhere I read that ISSI was using and planned to use and or appeal to people who were somewhat mentally unstable to plan and carry out attacks. With all this in mind ISIS encourages - but does not necessarily direct - attacks through covert suggestions at large. ISIS has given future terrorists permission and encouragement to act alone or with a few compatriots. Terrorists' choice of how and where are often flexible. Terrorists may self select and never actually be in contact with ISIS. Point being there is and will be little contact between terrorists and ISIS.

The year 2025 is supposed to be the year the fit hits the shan. Some attacks will be coordinated (swarm attacks at multiple locations across the globe).

Were LV and NO connected? We don't know. Maybe Washington does. It is possible.
 
Have at it! Wait,.. we already have. :cautious:

I mostly just sit back and read. Don't have time in life to give too much time into online arguments.

We've gone from Maga or Muslim, to home-grown military vet terrorist radicalized; Cybertruck, Trump hotel, military.

Accomplices, no Accomplices(due diligence?)

Both Fort Bragg. Both Turo app...

No clear connections last I read.. I await updates.
The New Orleans attaxk was obviously ISIS inspired. The Las Vegas incident was likely a case of PTSD. Any questions?
 
"On New Year’s Day, a murderous attack on Bourbon Street in New Orleans left at least15 people dead and scores injured. Those killed were ordinary people out celebrating the start of a New Year, being happy and hopeful, and taking advantage of a city that celebrates like no other. Understanding the “who,” and the “why,” of this crime is necessary to prevent further violence but also to calibrate threats accurately, avoid hyperbole in defining it and the perpetrator, and prevent useless and ill-conceived inflation of terrorism risks in the United States.

The FBI currently assesses that the perpetrator, a U.S. Army veteran, was acting alone. Law enforcement officials are also rightly investigating the crime as an act of terrorism. They established a terrorism link after reportedly finding that the perpetrator carried an ISIS-style flag in his truck and pledged allegiance to the group in several videos posted online. This is not the first incident in the U.S. when self-radicalized perpetrators have used the moniker of ISIS to justify their brutal violence. Other incidents include: the December 2015 shooting in San Bernadino, California; the June 2016 Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando, Florida; and the October 2017 truck attack in New York City. The 2017 attack in Manhattan is similar to the incident in New Orleans. In both instances, an individual claiming fealty to ISIS drove his rented truck into a crowd of innocent civilians. And the New Year’s attack on Bourbon Street likely won’t be the last incident involving a deranged perpetrator linking his violence to a designated terrorist group."

The remainder of the article is here at the hyperlink below.

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