Let's Brainstorm on Healthcare.

[Devil505]

If I missed this point please forgive me but why not take all non-medical professionals (such as insurance company personnel & government bureaucrats) OUT of the role of decision maker for what medical procedures & tests will be paid for?

Have a panel of medical doctors ONLY, openly make such decisions & only make patient's privacy considerations a reason for not making their deliberations public. (their decisions could be open to a quick appellate review (by a medical review appellate board) in the event a patient has a legitimate complaint about an initial decision.....kinda like the FISA court is set up for quick actions involving fgn intelligence surveillance problems)

Right now, insurance company accountants are practicing medicine without a license, in my view. Crazy!
(I don't want non-medical government bureaucrats doing it either)


I also agree with some medical tort reform, even though I think said reforms would ultimately have little effect on overall HC costs. I agree with it just because it makes sense to me in that it would be a small step in the cost savings direction.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Your astounded that an (almost universally perceived national problem) is being dealt with as a NATIONAL problem????

It's not a national problem.

Joe living in Whatsville in Hisstate is too stupid to have a job providing health coverage.

Not a national problem at all, even if there are fifty Joe living in fifty different states.

It's a local problem each state is obligated to address, even if that state decides to ignore it.

Welcome to what the Tenth Amendment means.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

So you would abolish Medicaid & Medicare?
No national plan for our armed forces or Congress?

Hello?

Try to stick to the bigger picture.

The veterans earned their care.

Got a problem with that, take it up with congress and demand the VA be dismantled.

Of course Medicaid and Medicare should be eliminated. They exist without proper Constitutional authority.

 

[LaMidRighter]

If you are talking about home care (rather than institutional care) I believe the insurance companies have been blocking this type of care by refusing to pay for quite a bit of it. I think such home care is a much more cost effective way for lowering costs by freeing up hospital & nursing homes from having to care for patients who require less extensive care.
Why not pay home health aides better & let them take up more of the slack?

It depends on the plan, if something is network based then you have to been seen by an approved provider, especially HMO's. HSAs have alot of wiggle room because they are savings account based and traditional models can swing all kinds of ways.

 

[ConservaBill]

I was referring to a qualified RN who would triage and treat minor ailments as opposed to necessarily having to see the GP first... This already exists at some level. I was wondering about expanding the services that could be provided by a nurse, relieving some of the load on the GP... under supervision of course.

 

[Devil505]

It's not a national problem.

Then you are the ONLY person in the country that refuses to believe it is.

Joe living in Whatsville in Hisstate is too stupid to have a job providing health coverage.

So dumb people don't deserve coverage? (Maybe just Aryans?)

Hello?

Try to stick to the bigger picture.

You guys just can't debate civilly on any thread can you?
(I ca get argumentative too, but know the time & place for it,,,,,,& thus thread isn't it)

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Then you are the ONLY person in the country that refuses to believe it is.

Then I'm the only one in the country with the correct solutions.

Only people that can identify the problem can fix the problem.

So dumb people don't deserve coverage? (Maybe just Aryans?)

If they can pay for it.

If they can't pay for it, you're probably gullible enough to use your own money to help them. You DO "care", don't you?

Either way, it's not my problem, so I shouldn't be billed for it.

You guys just can't debate civilly on any thread can you?

What jackass just posted: "(Maybe just Aryans?)"

 

[ConservaBill]

Yeah.. yeah and.. Drunks should be castrated, porn fans should have their eyes burned out. and tobacco users should be burned at the stake... how about people that pick their nose should have their fingers cut off... what else... oh yeah.. people that practice free speech should have their tongues cut out, then we can behead liberals and surgically remove wallets of conservatives.. yeah that's the ticket...

this thread is the best case I've ever seen for ending freedom of speech! :2wave:

 

[ConservaBill]

Too many threads too little time disregard last post.. misdirected.. arrggh :3oops:

 

[American]

Yeah.. yeah and.. Drunks should be castrated, porn fans should have their eyes burned out. and tobacco users should be burned at the stake... how about people that pick their nose should have their fingers cut off... what else... oh yeah.. people that practice free speech should have their tongues cut out, then we can behead liberals and surgically remove wallets of conservatives.. yeah that's the ticket...

this thread is the best case I've ever seen for ending freedom of speech! :2wave:

How would that change anything? :rofl It would be like cutting a balloon from its string.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Yeah.. yeah and.. Drunks should be castrated, porn fans should have their eyes burned out. and tobacco users should be burned at the stake... how about people that pick their nose should have their fingers cut off... what else... oh yeah.. people that practice free speech should have their tongues cut out, then we can behead liberals and surgically remove wallets of conservatives.. yeah that's the ticket...

this thread is the best case I've ever seen for ending freedom of speech! :2wave:

Well....there's a good reason why we shouldn't let liberals take over the nation's health care industry.