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marke said:
She testified, Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school.
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That is not $3,000 a month. It is $3,000 total for the time someone is in law school. To get to law school you need to have a degree - 4 years. Law school is 3 years. 7 years total (84 months). That works out to just under $36 a month. Even if she was just referring to the 3 years of actual law school, that works out to just over $83 a month.
 
Wan said:
I never said it's not a woman's decision or that she doesn't get to choose. I am just saying that if she indeed gets an abortion, then she is committing murder.
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Factually, you are still wrong about it being murder, and you've seen this before. And you've also had to claim killing in self-defense and in war as murder in the past in order to remain consistent with your false declaration. Wouldnt it be smarter to accept that your personal definition of 'murder' is not remotely useful in this debate, since it only shows you wont accept reality and thus affects your overall credibility?

--Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice*aforethought*

From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

--Murder: the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with maliceaforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime,\ as robbery or arson (first-degree murder),and murder by*intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degreemurder).

From https://www.dictionary.com/browse/murder


--Murder: is the deliberate and illegal killing of a person.

From https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...english/murder

--Murder: the crime of intentionally killing a person

From https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...english/murder​

If you would discuss the issue on the same defined terms as others, you might get somewhere in the discussion. Inventing your own definitions...which others dont accept...indicates your arguments are based in ego and falsehoods.
 
Scrabaholic said:
That is not $3,000 a month. It is $3,000 total for the time someone is in law school. To get to law school you need to have a degree - 4 years. Law school is 3 years. 7 years total (84 months). That works out to just under $36 a month. Even if she was just referring to the 3 years of actual law school, that works out to just over $83 a month.
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:lamo
:applaud :applaud


And then split that in half because, again, no woman uses birth control unless she's sharing it with a man.
 
Tom Horn said:
why not kill the woman and sell her body parts to finance the raising of the child?
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Because the woman is protected by the Constitution and the laws based on it.
 
Scrabaholic said:
What don't you understand about INSIDE OF and attached to?
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So what's so evil and unforgivable about being inside a womb and being attached to a woman?
 
Wan said:
So what's so evil and unforgivable about being inside a womb and being attached to a woman?
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Nothing. What's so evil and unforgivable about having an abortion?
 
Tom Horn said:
why? She wanted to kill off her very own .
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Why what? Why is the woman protected by the Constitution?

Abortion is legal and responsible and many consider it moral...are you demanding some punishment?

Why do you value the unborn more than women?
 
Wan said:
Laws aren't always right.

I feel that we are both just repeating the same stuff from before, though.
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We are still a nation ruled by laws. We live by the law and we die by the law. But I hope like hell that we don’t live and die by the ideologies of a few.

Feel free to stop expressing your “opinions” anytime you wish.
 
Tom Horn said:
the complete totality of it.
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?? Like what? Please articulate your feelings.

And you didnt answer: why do you value the unborn more than women? They cant be treated equally under the law...so why value rights for the unborn instead of women?
 
Lursa said:
Why what? Why is the woman protected by the Constitution?

Abortion is legal and responsible and many consider it moral...are you demanding some punishment?

Why do you value the unborn more than women?
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the bitch is damaged goods. But there’s hope in the baby being smart.
 
Removable Mind said:
We are still a nation ruled by laws. We live by the law and we die by the law. But I hope like hell that we don’t live and die by the ideologies of a few.
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It's like I said, we've been through this. Old ground.

Feel free to stop expressing your “opinions” anytime you wish.
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Right back at you.
 
Lursa said:
?? Like what? Please articulate your feelings.
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your concept of morality is akin to captain bligh giving out breadfruit to his buddies only.
 
Tom Horn said:
the bitch is damaged goods. But there’s hope in the baby being smart.
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Why is she a bitch? She enjoyed sex, so? So did a man I'm guessing.

Accidental pregnancies happen, birth control fails.

So she didnt behave up to your approval so she deserves to be punished with a kid, is that your way of thinking? Use a kid as punishment?

Yeah, I can see you dont hold any moral High Ground here.
 
Tom Horn said:
your concept of morality is akin to captain bligh giving out breadfruit to his buddies only.
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I notice that you make claims you cannot explain. Not an indicator of a well-thought out or supported position.

And your attempt at a personal attack supports a weak position as well.
 
Lursa said:
Why is she a bitch? She enjoyed sex, so? So did a man I'm guessing.

Accidental pregnancies happen, birth control fails.

So she didnt behave up to your approval so she deserves to be punished with a kid, is that your way of thinking? Use a kid as punishment?

Yeah, I can see you dont hold any moral High Ground here.
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no. I don’t approve of eliminating a human when there was a chance they might’ve been something really special.
 
Lursa said:
I notice that you make claims you cannot explain. Not an indicator of a well-thought out or supported position.

And your attempt at a personal attack supports a weak position as well.
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youd do real well with a babies ankle in your hand and a stout tree to finish it off with
 
Tom Horn said:
no. I don’t approve of eliminating a human when there was a chance they might’ve been something really special.
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But it's ok to force a woman to have one against her will and miss the chance that she might've been something really special?

(LOLOLOL, I always love the, "but you could be killing Einstein!" argument...the poorly thought-out, half-thought that conveniently ignores the fact that it could also be eliminating the next Hitler. :roll: )
 
Tom Horn said:
youd do real well with a babies ankle in your hand and a stout tree to finish it off with
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Another personal attack?

Are you so emotionally-driven on this topic that you cannot discuss it civilly or even with facts?

Low-information posters dont do well in discussions.
 
Lursa said:
But it's ok to force a woman to have one against her will and miss the chance that she might've been something really special?

(LOLOLOL, I always love the, "but you could be killing Einstein!" argument...the poorly thought-out, half-thought that conveniently ignores the fact that it could also be eliminating the next Hitler. :roll: )
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where is the babies choice in the matter. That went out the window completely.
 
Tom Horn said:
where is the babies choice in the matter. That went out the window completely.
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It's bizarre that you believe the unborn are capable of any thinking whatsoever. That's some kind of self-indulgent fantasy.

Now, again: why do you value the unborn more than women? They cannot be treated equally under the law.
 
Lursa said:
It's bizarre that you believe the unborn are capable of any thinking whatsoever. That's some kind of self-indulgent fantasy.

Now, again: why do you value the unborn more than women? They cannot be treated equally under the law.
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voice recognition isn’t thinking?
 
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