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Let's Ban Pit Bulls

The definition is clear and definitive.......not vague or obtuse in any way.

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Slingshot Bob said:
Regardless, if you want to own them, fine, but not around children.
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So you want pit bulls banned.....but just from being around children?

How do you do that? Children are everywhere.

And you're also saying it's ok for pit bulls to kill upwards of 40,000 beloved family pets every year and to maul and hospitalize hundreds of adults every year.......

So the maulings and hospitalizations and killings are ok........except for children?

No.

Pit bulls must be banned from all human contact.........like leopards, tigers and other animals too dangerous to mingle with people and pets.

One should only see them in a zoo........confined to a cage.

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Vox said:
Again.......

The dogs you pictured looked nothing like pit bulls.

This is a pit bull. The difference is clear.


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This is not a difficult thing.........except for the pit bull apologists who want to pretend you can't identify a pit bull--to protect their bastard killer dogs.

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:lol: you are so funny, here you are with an American bulldog, which is not a pit bull, and lecture on how easy it is to identify pitbulls. You can't make this comedy up!
 
More Today's Mayhem.....
American Pit Bulls in England

England has banned several specific types of pit bulls but has not banned all pit bull mongrel breeds.

Police seized five dogs and six puppies from the home of the man who was arrested.

Neighbours said the dogs were kept in cages at the back of the house.

Chief Inspector Dave Westby said: 'This was a horrific attack which has resulted in a two-year-old girl suffering extensive injuries to her head and body.
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Dogs pictured in Toxteth garden next to mauling site | Daily Mail Online

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Vox said:
As I said above, the photos he posted don't look anything like pit bulls. I posted a picture of a pit bull.

It looks nothing like his photos.

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You posted a picture of an American Bulldog, which is not a pit bull, the boston terrier is more of a pitbull than an American bulldog.
 
Vox said:
The courts have ruled that a person of ordinary intelligence can identify a pit bull......no test needed.

The courts have given us a clear legal definition of a pit bull.

What more do you need? This is not difficult.

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yet, you can't tell an American Bulldog from any of the bull and terrier breeds.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
here you are with an American bulldog, which is not a pit bull...
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Except......you're wrong.

It is a pit bull according to the legal definition of a pit bull.

Pit Bull Law and Legal Definition

A "pit bull," is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Dias v. City & County of Denver, 567 F.3d 1169, 1173 (10th Cir. Colo. 2009)
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Try to get at least a tiny bit of reality into your posts.

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ReverendHellh0und said:
You posted a picture of an American Bulldog, which is not a pit bull, the boston terrier is more of a pitbull than an American bulldog.
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Except......you're wrong.

It IS a pit bull according to the legal definition of a pit bull.

Pit Bull Law and Legal Definition

A "pit bull," is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Dias v. City & County of Denver, 567 F.3d 1169, 1173 (10th Cir. Colo. 2009)
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See how that works? It's not all that difficult.

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Vox said:
More Today's Mayhem.....
American Pit Bulls in England

England has banned several specific types of pit bulls but has not banned all pit bull mongrel breeds.



Dogs pictured in Toxteth garden next to mauling site | Daily Mail Online

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10 dogs in a small apartment, yard, previously out of control, unneutered males, and mastiff mixes.... the issue is not the breed here, once again, it's the owner who had an uncontrolled pack of unneutered dogs in a small confined area
 
Vox said:
Except......you're wrong.

It IS a pit bull according to the legal definition of a pit bull.



See how that works? It's not all that difficult.

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yeah, not a pit bull, it's none of those 3 breeds listed, and does not conform to the AKC or UKC standards. it's very simple. and yet you missed it.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Impossible


You claimed they have bullet proof heads and need at least 16 bullets to kill.
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Except......you're wrong.

I have never claimed that.

See how that works?

It's called, "The Truth."

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ReverendHellh0und said:
yeah, not a pit bull, it's none of those 3 breeds listed, and does not conform to the AKC or UKC standards. it's very simple. and yet you missed it.
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Except.....you're wrong.

It has the required "physical traits" named in the legal definition of a pit bull.

Pit Bull Law and Legal Definition

A "pit bull," is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Dias v. City & County of Denver, 567 F.3d 1169, 1173 (10th Cir. Colo. 2009)
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See how that works?

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ReverendHellh0und said:
10 dogs in a small apartment, yard, previously out of control, unneutered males, and mastiff mixes.... the issue is not the breed here, once again, it's the owner who had an uncontrolled pack of unneutered dogs in a small confined area
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No, the ISSUE is that England has currently only banned a few specific pit bull breeds and not issued a blanket ban on all mongrel pit bull cross breeds.

That failure cost a little girl her face.

England will get it right......it just takes time.

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ReverendHellh0und said:
but clearly you can't. That American bulldog is not a pitbull.
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Except........you're wrong again.

Actually, it is.......and the legal definition of pit bull proves it.

Pit Bull Law and Legal Definition

A "pit bull," is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Dias v. City & County of Denver, 567 F.3d 1169, 1173 (10th Cir. Colo. 2009)
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Are you starting to understand it?

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Vox said:
Except.....you're wrong.

It has the required "physical traits" named in the legal definition of a pit bull.
See how that works?

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I have no idea how your mind works.


UKC standards:

American PitBull Terrier

General Appearance
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog’s height at the withers.

The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped.

The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point.

The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns except merle. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.

Above all else, the APBT must have the functional capability to be a catch dog that can hold, wrestle (push and pull), and breathe easily while doing its job. Balance and harmony of all parts are critical components of breed type.

Eliminating Faults: Any disproportionate overdone characteristic (such as short legs, excessive bone or massive head or body) that would interfere with physical activity or working ability.
Disqualifications: Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Dwarfism.



American Bulldog:


Guardian Dog Group

History

Bulldogs in England were originally working dogs that drove and caught cattle and guarded their masters’ property. The breed’s strength, courage, and familiarity with livestock led to its popularity in the brutal sport of bull baiting. When this sport was outlawed in England, the original type of Bulldog disappeared from Britain and was replaced with the shorter, stockier, less athletic dog we now know as the English Bulldog.

The original Bulldog, however, was preserved by working class immigrants who brought their working dogs with them to the American South. Small farmers and ranchers used this all-around working dog for many tasks. By the end of World War II, however, the breed was almost extinct. Mr. John D. Johnson, a returning war veteran, decided to resurrect this breed. Along with Alan Scott and several other breeders, Johnson began carefully to breed American Bulldogs, keeping careful records and always with an eye for maintaining the breed’s health and working abilities.

Because of the many different types of work this breed can do, several distinct lines evolved, each emphasizing the traits needed to do a specific job. The best known lines are usually referred to as the Johnson and Scott types.

The modern American Bulldog continues to serve as an all-purpose working dog; a fearless and steady guard dog; and a loyal family companion.
The American Bulldog was recognized by the United Kennel Club on January 1, 1999.

General Appearance

The American Bulldog is a powerful, athletic short-coated dog, strongly muscled, and well boned. The body is just slightly longer than tall. The head is large and broad, with a wide muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be drop, semi-prick, rose, or cropped. The tail may be docked or natural. The American Bulldog comes in solid colors, white with colored patches, and brindle. Gender differences are well expressed in this breed, with males typically larger and more muscular than females. Honorable scars resulting from field work are not to be penalized. The American Bulldog should be evaluated as a working dog, and exaggerations or faults should be penalized in proportion to how much they interfere with the dog’s ability to work.

Characteristics
The essential characteristics of the American Bulldog are those which enable it to work as a hog and cattle catching dog, and a protector of personal property. These tasks require a powerful, agile, confident dog with a large head and powerful jaws. The American Bulldog is a gentle, loving family companion who is fearless enough to face an angry bull or a human intruder. Note: It is common for young American Bulldogs to be somewhat standoffish with strangers, and judges should not penalize this. By the time the dog is around 18 months of age, however, the breed’s normal confidence asserts itself.

Disqualifications: Viciousness or extreme shyness; cowardice.



Completely different breeds. you fail
 
Vox said:
No, the ISSUE is that England has currently only banned a few specific pit bull breeds and not issued a blanket ban on all mongrel pit bull cross breeds.

That failure cost a little girl her face.

England will get it right......it just takes time.

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So are you saying that if this guy had 10 chesepeke retrievers, several unneutered males in a small confined space, this would not have happened?
 
Vox said:
Except........you're wrong again.

Actually, it is.......and the legal definition of pit bull proves it.



Are you starting to understand it?

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You cant highlight certain words and ignore others..... that's not how life works, bro.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I have no idea how your mind works.




Completely different breeds. you fail
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Except.......you're wrong.

"Different Breeds" makes no difference.

The legal definition of pit bull PROVES you wrong.

Pit Bull Law and Legal Definition

A "pit bull," is defined as any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or any dog displaying the majority of physical traits of any one (1) or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds. Dias v. City & County of Denver, 567 F.3d 1169, 1173 (10th Cir. Colo. 2009)
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Are you starting to get it yet?

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Vox said:
Only.........those are YOUR words.

And your words are not saying the same thing MY words said.

See how that works?

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You mean the direct quotes of your contradictory positions that arbitrarily apply to any random dog you happen to be afraid of. One can only imagine the terror you may cause in a neighborhood threatening to kill people's pets.


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