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Let's Ban Pit Bulls

blackjack50 said:
It is an observation that your position has contradicted itself. You have stated something that is untrue. That is known as a lie.
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My position has not contradicted itself.

If I have lied you have to prove it.

Thus far you have been a dismal failure at proving anything and certainly not that I have lied.

Do better.

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Bodhisattva said:
"Pit bull bites were implicated in half of all surgeries performed and over 2.5 times as likely to bite in multiple anatomic locations as compared to other breeds." - Characteristics of 1616 Consecutive Dog Bite Injuries, July 2016

Special Report: Level 1 Trauma Center Dog Bite Studies in All U.S. Geographical Regions Report Pit Bulls Highest Prevalence - DogsBite.org
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How do they know they were pitbulls?



That's the problem with these activist sites. It's third hand information with no verification of the breed. It has been shown that only 40% of the time are pitbull type dogs correctly identified. leaving these claims dubious at best.
 
Vox said:
Poodle isn't a pit bull because it doesn't conform to the legal definition of a pit bull.

Boston terrier conforms quite closely to the standards of the legal definition of pit bull, so it could be ruled a pit bull.



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Again: you CLAIM it fits the definition...but you can't prove it. My point remains valid. You can't link a single characteristic. Not 1.


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Vox said:
No other dog has been carefully and selectively bred for killing for hundreds of years.......none.

That's the difference and that's why pit bulls kill and maim more than all other dogs put together.

Those are the facts and they are well documented.

If you can refute them.......do so.

Others have tried and failed for 110 pages.

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The dog breed most likely to bite you has been revealed | The Independent


Should labradors be banned?


Seem they are worse than pit bulls.
 
BillRM said:
First given that your Avatar is a gun and a knife somehow I would feel safer being around a wolf pack then you less along a few pit bulls:lamo

Once more dogs all dogs are one of the safety animals to be around and share your life with in fact far far safer then humans happen to be.

As far as pit bull somehow promoting human on human violence due to fights over dog on dog conflicts while walking them my suggestion is then to ban all toy dogs as my poor 50 pound ‎Golden Retriever is annoy on a high percent of our walks by toy breeds that are allow to roam free.

He will tear them up if they come to him while he is on lease and annoy/attack him and I been force to have the poor dog walking with a muffle on and carry a high power stun gun who noise of being fired cause the little guys to run away for some reason.

None of the neighborhood Pits have cause him or myself any problem.
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He carry's his gun because of his fear of the neighborhood dogs.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Pit bull is the common name for a type of dog. Formal breeds often considered in North America to be of the pit bull type include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The American Bulldog is also sometimes included.

Types of Pit Bull Dogs or Pit bull Dog Breeds:
American Pit bull Terrier
American Staffordshire Terrier
Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Chocolate Pit Bull
Blue Nosed Pit Bull
Red nosed Pit Bull
Blue Pit Bull Puppy
Moo Moo Pit Bull Puppy
Black Pit Bull Puppy
Gator Pit Bull
Brindle Pit Bull
Razor Edge Pit Bull
Colby Pit Bull
Gotti Pit Bull
Blue fawn Pit Bull
Whopper pit Bull
Royal Blue Generation Pit Bull
Benmar American Pit Bull
Bullyson American Pit Bull
Ablepaws Pit Bull
Grey Line Pit Bull
Rough Neck Pit Bull
Wildside Pit Bull
Brindle Pit Bull
Tri-Colored Pit Bull
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These are all the same American Pit bull terrier. No one is talking about misidentifying the type, but not getting the correct breed via DNA.


You have clowns who think that any dog with cropped ears is a pit bull, even though there is no linieage to the bull and terrier breeds.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The never done that counter argument? Brilliant.





No. Because I am not biased like you are.



The point is nobody can tell just by looking because there are so many breeds... interbred.
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Those arent breeds, those are mostly bloddlines and breeders. chocolate lab yellow lab, etc

That's all.


Dogs that are not pit bulls.

Dogo Argentino
Cane Corso
Presa canario


etc.
 
Vox said:
My position has not contradicted itself.

If I have lied you have to prove it.
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Already done. You have failed to counter with clarification. Thus the lie remains as it stands.


Thus far you have been a dismal failure at proving anything and certainly not that I have lied.

Do better.

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Again. Already done. This is now a game of obfuscation by you. You can't adequately defend your position, so you have resorted to sensationalism, denial of actual experts, and outright refusal to acknowledge that you cannot prove your position.

Again. Give me the specific characteristics of a Boston terrier that make it a pit bull?

We both know you can't. We also know that you won't. You know that the second you do...you will be forced to admit that dozens of other breeds fall into your ambiguous definition. And I'm betting you are concerned that some dogs you have previously vouched for fall into the category of pit bull. That's why you are avoiding making a concrete definition. It is a common tactic from someone who has ALREADY made themselves look like a fool by making a weak and unintelligent argument.

You can keep back pedaling if you so desire, but to any observer...this has been an epic smackdown. Especially once you started denying that veterinarians are experts on dogs. That was classic. Or when you claimed I can't train my dog and I posted a video proving I can. Or when you claimed something about pit bulls and training and I posted countless links to pit bulls as service dogs. Or when you claimed they "snap without warning" which flies in the face of all dog behavioral research. Hell. Reverend just use one of your own experts who reverse his position. You want to talk about a museum piece quality smack down of your lame ass position? That was it.

I tell you what. Instead of just ****ting all over the breed and demonstrating that you are petrified of the breed, why don't you go spend some time with them? Get over your fear. I used to have a fear of the ocean and getting swept away. Lack of control and all that was a big issue. I got over it when I threw my ass out of the boat and swam as far as I could during a scallop season. I suggest you get over your fear. Pits are great dogs. You just watch too much news.


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I ride my recumbent bicycle often, I keep a bullwhip I made on board, I have backed up 3 (pit like) dogs with it. I had two come right at me, that whip cracking a foot in front of their face, puts a damper on their advance. Never had to actually hit one, though.
 
blackjack50 said:
Already done. You have failed to counter with clarification. Thus the lie remains as it stands.




Again. Already done. This is now a game of obfuscation by you. You can't adequately defend your position, so you have resorted to sensationalism, denial of actual experts, and outright refusal to acknowledge that you cannot prove your position.

Again. Give me the specific characteristics of a Boston terrier that make it a pit bull?

We both know you can't. We also know that you won't. You know that the second you do...you will be forced to admit that dozens of other breeds fall into your ambiguous definition. And I'm betting you are concerned that some dogs you have previously vouched for fall into the category of pit bull. That's why you are avoiding making a concrete definition. It is a common tactic from someone who has ALREADY made themselves look like a fool by making a weak and unintelligent argument.

You can keep back pedaling if you so desire, but to any observer...this has been an epic smackdown. Especially once you started denying that veterinarians are experts on dogs. That was classic. Or when you claimed I can't train my dog and I posted a video proving I can. Or when you claimed something about pit bulls and training and I posted countless links to pit bulls as service dogs. Or when you claimed they "snap without warning" which flies in the face of all dog behavioral research. Hell. Reverend just use one of your own experts who reverse his position. You want to talk about a museum piece quality smack down of your lame ass position? That was it.

I tell you what. Instead of just ****ting all over the breed and demonstrating that you are petrified of the breed, why don't you go spend some time with them? Get over your fear. I used to have a fear of the ocean and getting swept away. Lack of control and all that was a big issue. I got over it when I threw my ass out of the boat and swam as far as I could during a scallop season. I suggest you get over your fear. Pits are great dogs. You just watch too much news.


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blackjack50 said:
Already done. You have failed to counter with clarification. Thus the lie remains as it stands.

Again. Already done. This is now a game of obfuscation by you. You can't adequately defend your position, so you have resorted to sensationalism, denial of actual experts, and outright refusal to acknowledge that you cannot prove your position.

Again. Give me the specific characteristics of a Boston terrier that make it a pit bull?

We both know you can't. We also know that you won't. You know that the second you do...you will be forced to admit that dozens of other breeds fall into your ambiguous definition. And I'm betting you are concerned that some dogs you have previously vouched for fall into the category of pit bull. That's why you are avoiding making a concrete definition. It is a common tactic from someone who has ALREADY made themselves look like a fool by making a weak and unintelligent argument.

You can keep back pedaling if you so desire, but to any observer...this has been an epic smackdown. Especially once you started denying that veterinarians are experts on dogs. That was classic. Or when you claimed I can't train my dog and I posted a video proving I can. Or when you claimed something about pit bulls and training and I posted countless links to pit bulls as service dogs. Or when you claimed they "snap without warning" which flies in the face of all dog behavioral research. Hell. Reverend just use one of your own experts who reverse his position. You want to talk about a museum piece quality smack down of your lame ass position? That was it.

I tell you what. Instead of just ****ting all over the breed and demonstrating that you are petrified of the breed, why don't you go spend some time with them? Get over your fear. I used to have a fear of the ocean and getting swept away. Lack of control and all that was a big issue. I got over it when I threw my ass out of the boat and swam as far as I could during a scallop season. I suggest you get over your fear. Pits are great dogs. You just watch too much news.
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So, in your opinion you're doing great in this debate by relying on reckless and unfounded personal attacks?

LOL!

The rest of us know better.

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More of Today's Mayhem:

Another beloved pet falls to the jaws of the pit bull.

Pit bull owner's insurance refuses to pay.

Margot managed to get away, but suffered life threatening injuries including a crushed trachea. Jack rushed her to the animal hospital. Margot survived after emergency surgery.

The veterinary bills totaled more than $5,300. Jack says initially the aggressive dog’s owner volunteered to pay for the bills. But soon, he found himself dealing with her homeowners’ insurance company, American Family.

The insurance company said they would only pay for Margot’s vet bills up to her “actual cash value”.
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Insurance company refuses to pay vet bills after dog attack | KARE11.com

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Slingshot Bob said:
I ride my recumbent bicycle often, I keep a bullwhip I made on board, I have backed up 3 (pit like) dogs with it. I had two come right at me, that whip cracking a foot in front of their face, puts a damper on their advance. Never had to actually hit one, though.
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Never really had an issue with pits. My dog was jumped by a German shepherd once though. Wanted to kick the owners ass...but he was apologetic and he was a newbie. I don't blame the dog. Just him. He learned though.


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Vox said:
So, in your opinion you're doing great in this debate by relying on reckless and unfounded personal attacks?

LOL!

The rest of us know better.

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Unfounded? How so? You can't back your position with facts. Only unsubstantiated claims. Name 1 characteristic.


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blackjack50 said:
Never really had an issue with pits. My dog was jumped by a German shepherd once though. Wanted to kick the owners ass...but he was apologetic and he was a newbie. I don't blame the dog. Just him. He learned though.


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In a just world, I could whip the owner, instead!
 
Slingshot Bob said:
In a just world, I could whip the owner, instead!
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Yea. 99% of the time the dog was being a dog. Nothing unusual. And the owner was an idiot who tried treating the dog like a human. If my dog bit someone...I would take full responsibility and handle the issue myself. I don't tolerate biters. I also don't tolerate dog aggression either. That has been the main focus on training my dogs. They were both shelter puppies. So I started training them as soon as I got them. And the thing I've always made sure of is to pay attention to who is around them.


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Of course we must remember.......

There's a BIG, BIG difference between a dog being a dog and a pit bull being a pit bull.

Because pit bulls maim and kill.

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Pitbull Owner Charged with TWO FELONIES

Thank God for good people enforcing the law. Prison time may be the only thing that can wake up the terminally stupid pit bull owner..........and cause more of them to get rid of their maulers.

Roseville resident Robert Laughton, 29, faces two counts of owning a dangerous animal causing serious injury, which is a felony that could lead to four years in prison.
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Owner of pit bull that mauled Roseville couple charged with owning dangerous animal - Story | WJBK

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