Let's Ban Pit Bulls

[blackjack50]

Because, like you, they are wrong.

Organizations often take political stances for political reasons.......often, as in your case, wrong stances and often disagreeing with their own members.

Here's a link to a list of trained professionals and academics who want strong and immediate action against pit bulls.

A clip of just a few examples:



Safety Before Pit Bulldogs: Animal Science Experts on Pit Bulls

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The United States Department of Education has designated the AVMA as the accrediting body for the 30[4] schools of veterinary medicine in the United States. In this capacity, the AVMA develops and maintains educational standards for these institutions to ensure the qualifications and competency of graduates of veterinary schools.[5]

Interesting.

You know there are "credible scientists" who deny climate change too right? If you have an agenda you have an agenda. What I don't see...is any link to studies. Just links to people with opinions. Not studies. People who are...again...NOT BACKED by the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of their peers.

So. In your opinion...the vast majority of professionals who are responsible for accrediting the 30 vet schools in the United States as well as associated with 89,000 vets and of course...provide the major basis of scholarly research on animal medicine...is wrong?

Lol. Nice.


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[blackjack50]

Medical professionals who treat the victims of pit bulls are solidly in support of banning them.

Here's a link to a list:

Here are a few examples:



Safety Before Pit Bulldogs: Experts

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"Medical professionals."

You mean human doctors who actually have no education on dog handling, and at best have only been around them. No formal training.

Being a doctor does not qualify you as an expert on everything. Especially if your doctorate has nothing to do with the actual topic.

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[blackjack50]

Medical professionals who treat the victims of pit bulls are solidly in support of banning them.

Here's a link to a list:

Here are a few examples:



Safety Before Pit Bulldogs: Experts

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Even the American Bar Association is against BSL.

Lack of Professional Support
Experts Do Not Support BSL
Professional opinions should count for something.

Members of the National Animal Control Association, the ASPCA, the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, and many other canine welfare groups deal with aggressive dogs on a regular basis. So do these major animal organizations support breed-specific legislation? No. In fact, none of these professional groups do. Read their position statements and find out why not.

(alphabetic order)

American Bar Association (ABA)

American Dog Owners Association (ADOA)

American Humane

American Kennel Club (AKC)

American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA)

American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA)

American Working Dog Federation (AWDF)

Association of Pet Dog Trainers (APDT)

Best Friends Animal Society

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)

International Assocation of Animal Behavior Consultants (IAABC)

International Association of Canine Professionals (IACP)

National Animal Control Association (NACA)

National Animal Interest Alliance (NAIA)

National Association of Dog Obedience Instructors (NADOI)

Let me ask you. You stated you handled dogs. When did you start taking this position against pits?

 

[Nap]

And how do you "fix" this damage???

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Dozens of other examples here:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/193162271490144630/

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I never said anything about "fixing", if a dog owner is held responsible for damages though then that would prevent many of the situations you described. If someone knows they could face substantial fines or jail time for the actions of their pet then they will likely be more cautious in properly training a large dog or even decide it is not worth the trouble of owning one.

 

[Vox]

I'm a HANDSOME pit bull.

Recognize me?



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[Vox]

I never said anything about "fixing", if a dog owner is held responsible for damages though then that would prevent many of the situations you described. If someone knows they could face substantial fines or jail time for the actions of their pet then they will likely be more cautious in properly training a large dog or even decide it is not worth the trouble of owning one.

Except it doesn't work.

People have been going to prison for YEARS and still people own and defend pit bulls.

Man Found Guilty of Second-Degree Murder in Brutal Pit Bull Attack That Killed Woman | KTLA

 

[Vox]

"Medical professionals."

You mean human doctors who actually have no education on dog handling, and at best have only been around them. No formal training.

Being a doctor does not qualify you as an expert on everything.

What qualifies doctors is seeing THIS over and over again and knowing that pit bulls did it.



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[blackjack50]

What qualifies doctors is seeing THIS over and over again and knowing that pit bulls did it.

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No. They DON'T know that pit bulls did it. They are in a doctor's office. And unless they are physically present...their opinion is meaningless.

How many dogs do they have to identify to treat dog bites in the ER? Exactly 0. Here is a better question...who would you rather train and treat your dog? An MD or a veterinarian?

And again I ask:

Did you form this hatred of pits after you were bitten? You did correct?


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[Vox]

Yes, they do know pit bulls did it.

Read the dozens of statements from doctors that I linked. Many of them mention the dog and that it's almost entirely pit bulls that do the most horrific damage because of their huge jaws and their biting style.

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[Vox]

And again I ask:

Did you form this hatred of pits after you were bitten? You did correct?

No, I don't hate pits, just want them controlled. Never been bit by one.......hope it never happens.

A little border terrier nipped me in the back of the ankle once, but he barely broke the skin. It did hurt.

And I still love terriers, especially Airedales.

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[blackjack50]

Yes, they do know pit bulls did it.

Read the dozens of statements from doctors that I linked. Many of them mention the dog and that it's almost entirely pit bulls that do the most horrific damage because of their huge jaws and their biting style.

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Sorry man. I know better than that.

1) Self reporting. They aren't vets. All they know is "big dog." They say "pit bull" because they are told by people who tell them any big scary looking dog is a pit bull. And the proof:

DNA studies reveal that shelter workers often mislabel dogs as ?pit bulls? » College of Veterinary Medicine » University of Florida

2) Have you like...EVER been around k9 officers? Rotties? Labrador? Golden? Hound dog? Any large breed?

Actually...here is my proof on why your logic is not sound...tell me what breed caused this:

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[fmw]

"Let's Ban Pit Bulls"
No, let's ban political parties.

 

[Vox]

They aren't vets. All they know is "big dog." They say "pit bull" because they are told by people who tell them any big scary looking dog is a pit bull.
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The doctors in my many links got info from police officers specifically to keep track of pit bull maulings.

They know what they're doing.

LOL! Have YOU been around shelter workers?

Clue: Most of them are not quite as smart as doctors.

Your fake site is pushing misinformation--propaganda by pit bull apologists.

The REAL problem is that shelter workers mislabel pit bulls as "Labs" or "pointers" or "boxers" or "hound mix."

They do that to unload the damned things on unsuspecting people.

Here's one of hundreds of such questions and discussions on the Internet.

[Discussion] Why do shelters lie about their pit bulls' breeds? (self.dogs)

submitted 1 year ago by roseclar

A few months ago, I adopted this handsome guy. His Petfinder page listed him as a boxer/Lab mix. When I went in to meet him, I thought he looked like a pit bull, but assumed I didn't know as much as a shelter would about dog breeds and brought him home since I fell in love with him. My vet told me he was a pit bull, but when I showed him the shelter paperwork, he shrugged and put him down as a boxer/Lab mix. Well, my landlord just saw him yesterday for the first time and told me I have to get my own insurance and everything because he is "definitely a pit bull."

I told a dog trainer friend of mine what happened and she said it was a problem,

and to look on Petfinder at all the obvious pit bulls and pit bull mixes that are called "Lab mixes" and the like. So I did and she was right.

A lot of dogs that look like pit bulls (to me) are not being called pit bulls at all.

Why do shelters do this when it could put dogs in bad situations? What if my landlord had demanded I get rid of him?

https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comme...shelters_lie_about_their_pit/#bottom-comments

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[eohrnberger]

tell that to the assholes who raise their dogs to be mean. there are a lot of them.

Agreed. People like that have no right to raise a dog like that.

But I think through my posts, you wouldn't attribute that sort of thing to me, nor I to you. So on that count, I think we are OK. You and I. wouldn't you say so?

 

[Helix]

Agreed. People like that have no right to raise a dog like that.

But I think through my posts, you wouldn't attribute that sort of thing to me, nor I to you. So on that count, I think we are OK. You and I. wouldn't you say so?

it's safe to say that neither of us would raise mean dogs, sure.

 

[tres borrachos]

The doctors in my many links got info from police officers specifically to keep track of pit bull maulings.

They know what they're doing.

LOL! Have YOU been around shelter workers?

Clue: Most of them are not quite as smart as doctors.

Your fake site is pushing misinformation--propaganda by pit bull apologists.

The REAL problem is that shelter workers mislabel pit bulls as "Labs" or "pointers" or "boxers" or "hound mix."

They do that to unload the damned things on unsuspecting people.

Here's one of hundreds of such questions and discussions on the Internet.



https://www.reddit.com/r/dogs/comme...shelters_lie_about_their_pit/#bottom-comments

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As someone who works 20 hours a week in a shelter and is on the Board of Directors of two animal shelters, I'm here to tell you that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

A vet wouldn't tell someone a dog is a "pit bull" because there is no breed called "pit bull". But hey, why want to know facts when you can get your information from "rosclar" on the internet.

 

[eohrnberger]

it's safe to say that neither of us would raise mean dogs, sure.

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[Peter King]

y ban pitbulls they r fun n nice.

our town is discussin bannin cats as they r rodents

No, cats kill rodents, they are actually quite adept at that.

And pitbulls can be nice if not for the total ****ty people who own them, and because we cannot ban them, maybe there is a argument for banning dangerous dog breeds from inexpert owners.

 

[tres borrachos]

For those in this thread who have no idea what they are talking about, look at this scary "pit bull". His name is Iggy. He was one of the 51 dogs seized from Michael Vick's dog fighting operation. He lives in California with his family. He would be deemed a "lab mix" by any shelter in this country - and he was raised by Vick and his sidekicks as a fighting dog.

 

[Peter King]

As someone who works 20 hours a week in a shelter and is on the Board of Directors of two animal shelters, I'm here to tell you that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

A vet wouldn't tell someone a dog is a "pit bull" because there is no breed called "pit bull". But hey, why want to know facts when you can get your information from "rosclar" on the internet.

Really? Because there is such a thing as a pit bull race, it is called the American Pit Bull Terrier. The issue however is that people misuse the name pit bull for all kinds of bull terrier breeds that are in fact not American Pit Bull Terriers at all but bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, etc.

But the problem with dogs is hardly ever the dog, the problem is the horrendous owners who often buy these kinds of breeds. That is the real problem because they either do not have the temperament for such a dog, they are weak ass owners, they fear their own dog, they are buying the dog for looking tough or owning a dangerous animal rather than buying a pet.

We have to look at ways of keeping dogs like that out of the hands of thugs and other undesirable pit bull owners in combination with smart protection laws like as soon as a dog is above a certain age that dog will have to wear a muzzle when going out/being outside. I would not even have a problem with there being a permit system for pit bulls are a forcible registration for all more dangerous dog types. Just like there ought to be for dangerous wild life and apes/monkeys.

 

[Vox]

For those in this thread who have no idea what they are talking about, look at this scary "pit bull". His name is Iggy. He was one of the 51 dogs seized from Michael Vick's dog fighting operation. He lives in California with his family. He would be deemed a "lab mix" by any shelter in this country - and he was raised by Vick and his sidekicks as a fighting dog.

More pictures needed, but he sure looks like a pit mix. I wouldn't trust him.

Can't see his body and legs much, but he sure has that "domehead" look of a pit mix.

Body appears fairly heavy and legs too short for a lab.

Do you have more pics or are you hiding something to make some sort of mysterious "point" here?

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[Vox]

As someone who works 20 hours a week in a shelter and is on the Board of Directors of two animal shelters, I'm here to tell you that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

A vet wouldn't tell someone a dog is a "pit bull" because there is no breed called "pit bull". But hey, why want to know facts when you can get your information from "rosclar" on the internet.

You need to work more hours or study more.

You don't even seem to know the basics.

Pit bull is a generic term for several breeds and their mongrel mixes.

It's been in common use for years.

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[tres borrachos]

Really? Because there is such a thing as a pit bull race, it is called the American Pit Bull Terrier. The issue however is that people misuse the name pit bull for all kinds of bull terrier breeds that are in fact not American Pit Bull Terriers at all but bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, etc.

But the problem with dogs is hardly ever the dog, the problem is the horrendous owners who often buy these kinds of breeds. That is the real problem because they either do not have the temperament for such a dog, they are weak ass owners, they fear their own dog, they are buying the dog for looking tough or owning a dangerous animal rather than buying a pet.

We have to look at ways of keeping dogs like that out of the hands of thugs and other undesirable pit bull owners in combination with smart protection laws like as soon as a dog is above a certain age that dog will have to wear a muzzle when going out/being outside. I would not even have a problem with there being a permit system for pit bulls are a forcible registration for all more dangerous dog types. Just like there ought to be for dangerous wild life and apes/monkeys.

The American Pit Bull Terrier is a specific breed. It is one of many breeds that falls into the "pit bull" classification. Did you know that American bulldogs are pits? Staffordshire Terriers? There are a lot that are classified as "pit bulls", the same way a Basset Hound and a Saluki or both hounds. A vet wouldn't say "your dog is a pit bull" because there is no breed.

Dogs of any breed can be violent. Like people, there are dogs born with demons. It could be a chow or a beagle or a Lab. Pits bulls that are raised in fear and aggression are no different than any other dog. The problems are with the owners - and people who don't know what they're talking about spreading bad information on the internet.

We have fostered dozens of what are deemed "pit bulls", even when our kids were little. Not a single one of them ever caused a problem. I was bit on the breast by a foster dog that required stitches - it was a hound.

 

[tres borrachos]

More pictures needed, but he sure looks like a pit mix. I wouldn't trust him.

Can't see his body and legs much, but he sure has that "domehead" look of a pit mix.

Body appears fairly heavy and legs too short for a lab.

Do you have more pics or are you hiding something to make some sort of mysterious "point" here?

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You have no idea what you're talking about.

If you care, which I know you don't because you get your information from reddit posters, you would Google it yourself. His name is Iggy. What happened to all 51 dogs seized from Vick is a matter of public record. You can find documentaries, articles and all the information you need from the internet. But you won't, because you prefer to spread lies and make you ignorance about the subject matter known.

I wouldn't adopt a dog to you if you paid me top dollar. We see people like you all the time. You exude ignorance about dogs - any dogs.

 

[Vox]

Really? Because there is such a thing as a pit bull race, it is called the American Pit Bull Terrier. The issue however is that people misuse the name pit bull for all kinds of bull terrier breeds that are in fact not American Pit Bull Terriers at all but bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, etc.

But the problem with dogs is hardly ever the dog, the problem is the horrendous owners who often buy these kinds of breeds. That is the real problem because they either do not have the temperament for such a dog, they are weak ass owners, they fear their own dog, they are buying the dog for looking tough or owning a dangerous animal rather than buying a pet.

We have to look at ways of keeping dogs like that out of the hands of thugs and other undesirable pit bull owners in combination with smart protection laws like as soon as a dog is above a certain age that dog will have to wear a muzzle when going out/being outside. I would not even have a problem with there being a permit system for pit bulls are a forcible registration for all more dangerous dog types. Just like there ought to be for dangerous wild life and apes/monkeys.

Many places are moving toward these and even more restrictive laws for pit bulls and their mixes.

It's going far too slowly and while we wait, people......babies, toddlers, youngsters and oldsters, grandmas, people of all ages and hundreds of thousands of pets are being maimed, mauled and killed.

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