I think we should legalize hard drugs to remove the criminal element from drug distribution and pay for treatment with taxes. Who agrees with me?
In my view, when it comes to these substances, the problems that would be caused by the legalization would FAR outweigh to positives.
Are you including the elimination of the black market in your list of positives?
And even if the black market were eliminated, the negatives would still outweigh this positive.
Legalized drugs would put the bad guys out of business. No? Ok, how many illegal beer operations are there in the U.S.? Exactly.
tell me, under prohibition, was trading in illegal alcohol worth $321.6 billion world wide?
the two are incomparable
No, the concept is the same.
How many Californians with licenses to buy prescription pot are still buying it from their local pusher?
I wonder how many people who are for legalizing hard drugs have ever had an addict in their family that they themselves have had to deal with.
No, the concept is the same.
How many Californians with licenses to buy prescription pot are still buying it from their local pusher?
shhh, dont tell 'em that, or they might realise that making it legal doesn't take away the ill effects
Or maybe we've dealt with an addict. Or was one ourselves. And still happen to think that people should be free to make those choices for themselves.
Not really. In this case, the black market would be far less something eliminated. oxycodone and morphine are legal, though controlled, and the black market with them is still significant. Making these substances legal and free for use similar to alcohol is irresponsible and dangerous, and making them prescription released offers no benefits to current drugs on the market, and does not eliminate black market selling.
And even if the black market were eliminated, the negatives would still outweigh this positive.
And subtropical areas as well as other countries that compete.
Cartels aren't street gangs
What would the law enforcement go after? The stuff is legal. The government wouldn't run it.
Considering the fact Mexico is a dirt poor 3rd world country replacements are probably not that expensive.
Call me crazy, but I think that when you're taking on a nations sizable military, you're using a good amount of resources.
Of course not, but it is their most significant source of revenue.
Yes they would.Unless the federal government is growing and making the stuff themselves and handing it out for free or for a dirt cheap price the cartels are still going to make lots of money. Because the price of those drugs are not going to magically drop,so there is still lots of money to be made from it. Did the price of pot magically drop in states with legalized medicinal marijuana? From what I understand it didn't.THEY WOULD HAVE NO MONEY TO GO AGAINST THEM WITH
18,000 murders in Mexico a year is not an improvement by any means. Also, I don't see this as a reason to not lower violence more in the US.
i have no problem with whole adult choice argument, i don't agree with it, but i have no problem with it, the problem i have is with the people who seem to think legalising it will stop the cartels, stop drug fueled crimes, stop wrecked lives, and generally take away the negative effects of hard drugs.
the problem i have is with the people who seem to think legalising it will stop the cartels, stop drug fueled crimes, stop wrecked lives, and generally take away the negative effects of hard drugs.
Again what would stop those countries or even companies here from outsourcing to the cartels.
Cartels do not just sell drugs, they are not the illegal drug version of Anheuser-Busch.
The vast majority of times stolen and illegal goods are much cheaper than their legal counterparts. Here in the US a preban machine can get expensive due to availability, however those bans do not exist to criminals organizations and in certain countries.
And it will continue to be their significant source of income.
Is the government going to grow the stuff and hand it out for free or for a dirt cheap price?
Yes they would.Unless the federal government is growing and making the stuff themselves and handing it out for free or for a dirt cheap price the cartels are still going to make lots of money. Because the price of those drugs are not going to magically drop,so there is still lots of money to be made from it. Did the price of pot magically drop in states with legalized medicinal marijuana? From what I understand it didn't.
The violence here in the US usually only affects those who deal with the stuff so I am not worried about it.
How could it not stop cartels? All of the revenue stream for these drugs will be going to legitimate enterprises, for the production and distribution of these hard drugs. The cartels won't be making any money.
There may still be drug fueled crime, as addicts try to get the money for their next fix. Those folks need rehab treatment. Something creative must be done - perhaps trade a fix for entry into rehab.
Wrecked lives will continue as they do today.
There is no way to remove the negative effects of hard drugs.
how do you propose to make the cartels go along with this?
like i've said, if you go directly to the growers, the cartels aren't above threatening them with violent reprisals for selling to americans, if you produce it wholly in america, the cost would be great that the cartels could simply undercut the governments price.
Well if it were X amount of coke from the gas station for 50 buck or X amount of coke from some shady ass drug dealer I'd have to meet somehow for 40 dollars....I may just go ahead and go to the gas station. So there's that to consider as well.
or look at it this way, person you've been buying off for year $40, bloke at gas station $140, 'cause he has to factor in all sorts of things.
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