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Regarding your poll question: are you talking about the limits on legal unskilled immigration, or all unskilled immigration? Obviously these are two radically different numbers.The people who constantly rant about illegal immigration are always quick to claim that they are not xenophobic, and are only motivated by a deep concern for the law. Curiously, these people never seem to advocate for easier LEGAL immigration processes...so I thought I'd make a thread to find out where everyone stands on legal immigration. Do we have too much? Not enough?
I think it's a travesty that after our universities educate foreign students, that we kick them out of the country unless they go through the onerous process of finding an employer who is willing to sponsor them for a work visa. This is completely ridiculous. Educated foreigners are not going to live off welfare; they are going to create value and add jobs to the economy. IMO, we should have almost completely open our borders for anyone with a bachelor's degree or higher, as long as there isn't any reason (e.g. crimes, communicable diseases) to keep them out.
Regarding your poll question: are you talking about the limits on legal unskilled immigration, or all unskilled immigration? Obviously these are two radically different numbers.
Since I believe that the law should be applied equally across the board I see no reason that a person that is educated should have an easier time of it than someone who is not educated. Besides, don't you know the saying of "if you really want something then you have to work for it"?
I disagree-educated people are far more likely to help the nation than those without any skills.
So basically we punish the honest people for the misdeeds of other dishonest people. Nice.As to who we let in it should be a first come first serve basis. Of course that said there should be a limit of from each country we let in and some pre-checks and requirements. Those wishing to come to the US should have to pass a criminal background check, pass a health screening,be able to financially support themselves, not be from any country we have the most illegal immigration problems with, carry a translation book on them at all times while in the US unless they are proficient in English, not be affiliated with any terrorist or anti-American groups and not be pregnant.
So basically we punish the honest people for the misdeeds of other dishonest people. Nice.
Relevance? Why should it matter how they got here?Only until those that are here illegally leave. Not all of the illegals sneaked across the border.
That's fine for the Army, but this isn't the Army we're talking about. In any event, you're talking about collective punishment, where the offender is punished with all the other non-offenders. In your scenario, the non-offenders are punished in place of the offenders. That solves nothing.As my drill sergeants used to say it only takes one of you to **** **** up for everybody else and in the case of letting people into our country it takes several million or more to **** **** up for everybody else.
Then you should not see it as a punishing everybody else issue but a over the limit of how many people from a particular country we want to let in issue.Relevance? Why should it matter how they got here?
That's fine for the Army, but this isn't the Army we're talking about. In any event, you're talking about collective punishment, where the offender is punished with all the other non-offenders. In your scenario, the non-offenders are punished in place of the offenders. That solves nothing.
Why should we have quotas as to country of origin?Then you should not see it as a punishing everybody else issue but a over the limit of how many people from a particular country we want to let in issue.
That's a non-responsive answer. First you said it was punishment, now you say it isn't.Coming into our country is not a right. It is a privileged that can be revoked at any time for any reason and should be revoked especially when it comes to problem countries.
Coming into our country is not a right. It is a privileged that can be revoked at any time for any reason and should be revoked especially when it comes to problem countries.
Why should we have quotas as to country of origin?
That's a non-responsive answer. First you said it was punishment,
now you say it isn't.
Why not?Because we can not let in everybody and the same time we do want a diverse pool of people coming into this country not just mostly one group of people from a single country.
So what is it if not punishment?It is a answer. We do not have to let anyone into our country.If we have problem countries like illegal immigration problems or some thing else then we should cut that country off.
I never said it was not a punishment. I only merely stated how you can look at it.
Because we have public schools, welfare, foodstamps, and section 8 housing which would be a drain on those who pay taxes. We have scum in office who think new immigrants do not have to learn the language so they would be making multilingual forms, require tax payer funded employees to be multilingual which would also be an additional cost to those who pay taxes. There is is also diseases,viruses and other things to worry about if we just let in everybody.Why not?
So what is it if not punishment?
As usual, the nativist xenophobia eventually breaks through the veil of specious arguments, leaving a path of hyperbole and ad hominem behind it. Happens every time.Because we have public schools, welfare, foodstamps, and section 8 housing which would be a drain on those who pay taxes. We have scum in office who think new immigrants do not have to learn the language so they would be making multilingual forms, require tax payer funded employees to be multilingual which would also be an additional cost to those who pay taxes. There is is also diseases,viruses and other things to worry about if we just let in everybody.
So then you were not really concerned about others being punished for the actions of others? You whining about others being punished for the actions of several million is just a ploy.
As usual, the nativist xenophobia eventually breaks through the veil of specious arguments, leaving a path of hyperbole and ad hominem behind it. Happens every time.
Just be honest and say you want to keep all the chinks and greasers out. It would save us both a lot of time.
Why not?
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