Leftists constantly ask why we are such staunch supporters of the right to keep and bear arms. Here is my answer.

[soap box]

I dunno. Semi-automatics are very useful for duck hunting where they tend to dampen the recoil of the heavy loads used. And semiautomatic rimfires are ubiquitous for recreation, competition, pest control and small game hunting.

So far as background checks, I advocate for them as a requirement for possessing guns or motor vehicles.

I think we can agree on background checks, most people do, even among gun owners. But I didn't say a person who's 18 years old won't be old enough in a year or two. I didn't say never, I said 18 is too young, even if ducks are at stake. Next year they can shoot the limit.

 

[RF667799]

I think we can agree on background checks, most people do, even among gun owners. But I didn't say a person who's 18 years old won't be old enough in a year or two. I didn't say never, I said 18 is too young, even if ducks are at stake. Next year they can shoot the limit.

It's not been my experience on this board that anyone will support my idea of background checks. A couple said they would, but when I asked them to make an unequivocal statement, they wouldn't do so.

So I suppose I'm not understanding the significant difference between a semi-automatic shotgun and a slide action shotgun that has you thinking one is permissible for an 18 year old and one is not.

Likewise a semi-automatic rimfire. I had one at about 14 years of age, as did many of my peers. At 18 I was supporting myself with a full time job, could vote...could join the Army...and had a semi-automatic shotgun I inherited from my grandfather. (I had other guns as well, that I purchased myself.)

 

[Glitch]

Since I can speak for all lefties I can assure you none of us have ever talked about repealing any amendment. After prohibition. Even if I grant you you the first point, you bring up several questions in your second,

Actually, that is not true. During the 103rd Session of Congress (1993-1994) Democrat US House Representative Major R. Owens introduced on January 27, 1993, H. J. Res. 81, which is entitled: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution

Furthermore, you have Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein publicly stating on 60 Minutes that her goal was to ban every privately owned firearm in the US.


You can lie all you like, as leftists always do, but we know better.

"amend/repeal the 2nd amendment to eliminate private ownership"

so let's start with background checks. I think they should be stricter.

How about a law so that 18 year olds can't buy semis?

Background checks were held to be unconstitutional, violating the Tenth Amendment, by the Supreme Court in Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997). Which is why Congress created the NICS in 1998. It is also unconstitutional to place any age restrictions on inherent rights, as several federal courts have recently held.

Appeals court rules 21-year minimum age for handgun purchases is unconstitutional

An appeals court ruled on Tuesday that a 21-year minimum age restriction for handgun purchases is unconstitutional.A three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit de…

thehill.com

Federal court says restrictions on handgun sales to people under 21 are unconstitutional

"We refuse to relegate either the Second Amendment or 18- to 20-year-olds to a second-class status," Judge Julius Richardson wrote for the two-judge majority.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

It’s because of you leftists that’s why!

Just how you ask?

1. You elect marshmallow soft politicians and prosecutors who allow the violent criminal out of prison much sooner. This explains why recidivists account for 80 plus percent of those committing new violent crime. You force us to protect ourselves from these animals you release on us early.

2. You constantly seek to amend/repeal the 2nd amendment to eliminate private ownership of firearms. We are forced to resist this of course.

3. You are unable or unwilling to accept the words of our founders who expressed their opinions that the people should always be allowed arms. That ignorance could eliminate my right. Again forced to fight the ignorance and for my right.

4. You allow unfettered illegal immigration flooding our country with god knows who from third world shitholes. Many bringing that evil and lawlessness here.

5. Tax and spend policies crippling our economy and pushing us faster toward 3rd world shithole statues.

So in summary it’s you leftists that cause the pro gun crowd to take up arms. Now you know lol.

In other words its tribalism that makes you like that?

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

It's not been my experience on this board that anyone will support my idea of background checks. A couple said they would, but when I asked them to make an unequivocal statement, they wouldn't do so.

So I suppose I'm not understanding the significant difference between a semi-automatic shotgun and a slide action shotgun that has you thinking one is permissible for an 18 year old and one is not.

Likewise a semi-automatic rimfire. I had one at about 14 years of age, as did many of my peers. At 18 I was supporting myself with a full time job, could vote...could join the Army...and had a semi-automatic shotgun I inherited from my grandfather. (I had other guns as well, that I purchased myself.)

What are background checks looking for?

 

[Glitch]

What are background checks looking for?

It doesn't matter. Background checks violate the Fourth Amendment.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

It doesn't matter. Background checks violate the Fourth Amendment.

Did i ask your opinion? No, I did not.

 

[Daddyo]

You regurgitated Fox/Maga propaganda in your posts.
Fox kills grey matter.
Maga is immoral, ignorant and a century behind.
I wish you well but honest, I think Fox/mAGA has poisoned you to truth.

Fox is not JP Morgan.
Fox is not any one of the indicators I mentioned as my proof.
Fox IS another boogeyman living rent free in your head. Trump, MAGA, and now FOX all roommates up there. All cramped up in that peanut.

 

[Daddyo]

I swear to God. I roared with laughter reading about you handing out child safety pamphlets. How bizarre.
Child safety is not buying the damned gun.
Teaching your kid there is no place for guns in a civilized society.

A pamphlet equals regulation?

Speechless. Totally Speechless.

The ATF requires that a child safety pamphlet be handed out with each transfer. That sir is a regulation. A rule that we must follow.

If you leftists would toughen up and police your own we might some day have a civilized society. We roar with laughter when you guys bitch about violent crime and civilized societies while your politicians govern the most dangerous and evil areas in the country. Elected by the very constituents causing the carnage.

 

[soap box]

It's not been my experience on this board that anyone will support my idea of background checks. A couple said they would, but when I asked them to make an unequivocal statement, they wouldn't do so.

So I suppose I'm not understanding the significant difference between a semi-automatic shotgun and a slide action shotgun that has you thinking one is permissible for an 18 year old and one is not.

Likewise a semi-automatic rimfire. I had one at about 14 years of age, as did many of my peers. At 18 I was supporting myself with a full time job, could vote...could join the Army...and had a semi-automatic shotgun I inherited from my grandfather. (I had other guns as well, that I purchased myself.)

I have no doubt you are a responsible owner and that you were a perfect example of citizenry and all things good and holy when you were younger. Most people in this country think most teens of 18 are not mature enough to be trusted. They can wait a year or two and most Americans agree about that as a reasonable limit, being a temporary waiting period until one's frontal lobes get all expanded as they should be.

I bet we disagree about the details, but your prior statement comparing background checks and car registration seems apt.

 

[soap box]

Actually, that is not true. During the 103rd Session of Congress (1993-1994) Democrat US House Representative Major R. Owens introduced on January 27, 1993, H. J. Res. 81, which is entitled: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution

Furthermore, you have Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein publicly stating on 60 Minutes that her goal was to ban every privately owned firearm in the US.


You can lie all you like, as leftists always do, but we know better.


Background checks were held to be unconstitutional, violating the Tenth Amendment, by the Supreme Court in Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997). Which is why Congress created the NICS in 1998. It is also unconstitutional to place any age restrictions on inherent rights, as several federal courts have recently held.

Appeals court rules 21-year minimum age for handgun purchases is unconstitutional

An appeals court ruled on Tuesday that a 21-year minimum age restriction for handgun purchases is unconstitutional.A three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit de…

thehill.com

Federal court says restrictions on handgun sales to people under 21 are unconstitutional

"We refuse to relegate either the Second Amendment or 18- to 20-year-olds to a second-class status," Judge Julius Richardson wrote for the two-judge majority.

www.cbsnews.com

So what ? Feinstein schminstein.

Most Americans, including gun owners, don't agree with you anymore.

Reasonable restrictions are not going to hurt as bad as getting shot by a nut.

 

[Ambig]

You guys would fold up like a carnival tent.

It's pretty amazing... that guys think they can fight law enforcement and the US military.

 

[Ambig]

On the plus side, you would be an in excellent location for caribou, moose, musk ox, and forest buffalo.

I've never heard of forest buffalo. What are they?

 

[JMB1911A1]

It's pretty amazing... that guys think they can fight law enforcement and the US military.

You’re right of course, the US military has a great record against insurgencies. Vietnam, Al Anbar province Iraq, Afghanistan.

Don’t forget in this case, our bases will be on the same soil we are fighting on. Lots more targets for insurgents. Think Northern Ireland.

 

[Ambig]

Don’t forget in this case, our bases will be on the same soil we are fighting on. Lots more targets for insurgents. Think Northern Ireland.

American good old boys will be fighting both the military and also their decent and patriotic neighbors.

And their ranks will be filled with those patriots, telegraphing their every move and plan to the legitimate government.

Really, I think anyone is just plain crazy who thinks that soft, employed, familied Americans are going to go against the government.

Who will do daycare for the kids and buy their birthday cakes?

Your best bet will be to organize strikes. If Trump had succeeded in stealing the presidency in 2020, there would have been a country-wide sickout, I think, along with all the road-closing protests.

But don't think about picking up your gun unless you've got nothing to lose.

 

[JMB1911A1]

American good old boys will be fighting both the military and also their decent and patriotic neighbors.

And their ranks will be filled with those patriots, telegraphing their every move and plan to the legitimate government.

Really, I think anyone is just plain crazy who thinks that soft, employed, familied Americans are going to go against the government.

Who will do daycare for the kids and buy their birthday cakes?

Your best bet will be to organize strikes. If Trump had succeeded in stealing the presidency in 2020, there would have been a country-wide sickout, I think, along with all the road-closing protests.

But don't think about picking up your gun unless you've got nothing to lose.

The problem here is that you consider liberals to be patriotic. Since liberals can’t understand the Constitution, I don’t consider them patriotic.

 

[noonereal]

The ATF requires that a child safety pamphlet be handed out with each transfer. That sir is a regulation. A rule that we must follow.

If you leftists would toughen up and police your own we might some day have a civilized society. We roar with laughter when you guys bitch about violent crime and civilized societies while your politicians govern the most dangerous and evil areas in the country. Elected by the very constituents causing the carnage.

I don't live in a red state.

 

[Ambig]

The problem here is that you consider liberals to be patriotic. Since liberals can’t understand the Constitution, I don’t consider them patriotic.

Well, I haven't seen them charge violently into our Capitol, nor support the guy who incited it, so I currently see liberals as way more patriotic than Republicans.

And by the way, I wasn't talking about liberals. I was talking about the silent majority, who will oppose any insurrectionists.

 

[RF667799]

I have no doubt you are a responsible owner and that you were a perfect example of citizenry and all things good and holy when you were younger. Most people in this country think most teens of 18 are not mature enough to be trusted. They can wait a year or two and most Americans agree about that as a reasonable limit, being a temporary waiting period until one's frontal lobes get all expanded as they should be.

I bet we disagree about the details, but your prior statement comparing background checks and car registration seems apt.

If they can't be trusted, perhaps they shouldn't be voting either.

But you never answered as to the significant difference between a semi-automatic shotgun and a slide action shotgun that makes an 18 year old responsible enough for one but not the other.

 

[poppopfox]

The problem here is that you consider liberals to be patriotic. Since liberals can’t understand the Constitution, I don’t consider them patriotic.

'Liberals' wrote the Constitution my friend, and the British did not consider them to be 'patriots' either.

Btw, labels like 'liberals; and 'patriots' have no meaning and use emotions to make up for the absence of logic in their arguments. 'Liberals' understand that.

Here's a short primer in support of my claim - God terms
Generally speaking, there are words that we can use that make it less likely we will hear challenges to our views. These are words like “truth,” “honesty,” “education,” “freedom” or “justice.” These broad evocations of transcendent values are intended to beg for acceptance. Hanging ideas on them will likely subdue opposition. Rhetoricians call them “God terms.” (bolded mine)

And for reference to the thread topic, this quote -
"Language has consequences. The bloat in the meaning of “freedom” makes us all potential victims. If opinion-leading media and the courts continue to put the vast majority at risk by tacitly accepting an overly expansive definition of personal freedom, we will surely enshrine the “shooter society” we have become. (The Second Amendment predicate and qualifier of “well-regulated militias” seems to have been defined out of existence.) All of the predictable post-hoc prayers for the dead won’t begin to mitigate our complicity. We can never become a true civil society if the most desperate and ill among us have the right to keep a lethal weapon inches from their hands."

 

[RF667799]

'Liberals' wrote the Constitution my friend, and the British did not consider them to be 'patriots' either.

Btw, labels like 'liberals; and 'patriots' have no meaning and use emotions to make up for the absence of logic in their arguments. 'Liberals' understand that.

Here's a short primer in support of my claim - God terms
Generally speaking, there are words that we can use that make it less likely we will hear challenges to our views. These are words like “truth,” “honesty,” “education,” “freedom” or “justice.” These broad evocations of transcendent values are intended to beg for acceptance. Hanging ideas on them will likely subdue opposition. Rhetoricians call them “God terms.” (bolded mine)

And for reference to the thread topic, this quote -
"Language has consequences. The bloat in the meaning of “freedom” makes us all potential victims. If opinion-leading media and the courts continue to put the vast majority at risk by tacitly accepting an overly expansive definition of personal freedom, we will surely enshrine the “shooter society” we have become. (The Second Amendment predicate and qualifier of “well-regulated militias” seems to have been defined out of existence.) All of the predictable post-hoc prayers for the dead won’t begin to mitigate our complicity. We can never become a true civil society if the most desperate and ill among us have the right to keep a lethal weapon inches from their hands."

Yes, obviously the only thing to do is limit personal freedom for everyone. To the greater extent, the better.

 

[Glitch]

So what ? Feinstein schminstein.

So it demonstrates that you are completely clueless. Or did you forget that you claimed: "Since I can speak for all lefties I can assure you none of us have ever talked about repealing any amendment...."?

Most Americans, including gun owners, don't agree with you anymore.

Reasonable restrictions are not going to hurt as bad as getting shot by a nut.

Not only do the overwhelming majority of Americans agree with me, so does the Supreme Court. Any form of government restriction without due process of law is an infringement and not allowed. Or did "shall not be infringed" escape your grasp?

 

[vegas giants]

So it demonstrates that you are completely clueless. Or did you forget that you claimed: "Since I can speak for all lefties I can assure you none of us have ever talked about repealing any amendment...."?


Not only do the overwhelming majority of Americans agree with me, so does the Supreme Court. Any form of government restriction without due process of law is an infringement and not allowed. Or did "shall not be infringed" escape your grasp?

Gun control has due process

 

[vegas giants]

Yes, obviously the only thing to do is limit personal freedom for everyone. To the greater extent, the better.

Man you hate freedom

 

[Glitch]

I've never heard of forest buffalo. What are they?

Bison that live in the forest.

Phantom Subspecies: The Wood Bison, <i>Bison bison</i> "<i>athabascae</i>" Rhoads 1897 Is Not a Valid Taxon, but an Ecotype - Arctic Institute of North American, Volume 44, Issue 4, 1991

Wood Bison Species Profile, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

General information about Wood Bison in Alaska such as description, life history, range, habitat and more.

www.adfg.alaska.gov

They can be found throughout central Alaska, but are more abundant in the interior of the State, where Fairbanks, Delta Junction, and Tok are located.